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DD (14) doesn't want braces

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TerrificEchidnaSpikes · 18/10/2023 08:51

Several years ago at a routine checkup, our regular NHS dentist observed that DD might be developing a slight overbite and referred her for orthodontic assessment. We've had plenty of subsequent dental checkups and nothing more was said about this possible overbite. Recently (I'd practically forgotten about it) we suddenly got a phone call from orthodontist clinic saying we had finally reached the top of the waiting list, offering us an appointment.

At the appointment it didn't feel much like an assessment but more like "this will be happening" IYSWIM. We were told that there would be several appointments even before the braces are fitted (records, extractions, etc) and then regular appointments for the next 2 years. I had braces myself as a teen so I wasn't surprised, just nodded along and made notes.

But after we came out of the clinic, DD said that she doesn't want the braces. She says she is perfectly happy with her teeth and doesn't think she has a significant overbite (I argued the point that she's not the dentist, which she conceded). But her main objection is that she's now into GCSE years and doesn't want to miss so many lessons - apparently all her friends who have/had braces had them in lower years. She is absolutely adamant.

For context, the orthodontic clinic is not near school and would require huge chunks of travel time/disruption (no direct public transport links, would always require one of us to drive her). I did suggest we could mitigate it a bit by choosing very early or late appointments and trying to grab holiday appointments where possible.

DH and I are torn. On the one hand, clearly essential healthcare is the most important thing. On the other hand, how can we be sure that this is essential healthcare, and thus whether it overrides GCSE education? And finally, neither of us would want to make DD have this treatment unless it really is essential.

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StrictlyComeback · 18/10/2023 09:01

Braces are painful and require extra work keeping teeth clean. We have also been told ds will need a nighttime mouth guard for 10 years after they are taken off , otherwise the teeth will revert to their initial position.
If she isn’t fully invested it will be a waste of time.

Neverinamonthofsundays · 18/10/2023 09:15

She will regret not getting them in years to come. Mine all have or have had them and it was not that bad. They need tightening every 6 weeks or so but that is it.

Herecomesdehotstepper · 18/10/2023 09:18

DD was the same. In het twenties and working, she took a 0% loan and got her teeth straightened and veneered. Best thing she ever did and by that stage she wanted to do it.

MadeForThis · 18/10/2023 09:26

It will cost her a lot of money to correct her teeth if she decides to do it as an adult. And that's only a few years away.

UnusedUsername · 18/10/2023 09:30

If its just a slight overbite and not completely essential/mainly cosmetic I would let her refuse. Her arguments around missing time during gcse years are valid and if she changes her mind when older she can have it done then.

For context I have a moderate overbite and was recommended braces as a teen, but refused. I have never once regretted that and have no wish to get them straightened now (I'm mid 40's). Not everyone will regret not getting it done.

TerrificEchidnaSpikes · 18/10/2023 09:32

Thank you for the different viewpoints so far. I am genuinely struggling to decide.

DD doesn't even have wonky teeth, they look straight enough to me. It's the possible overbite that was the reason for the referral. My feeling is that if our dentist felt it was worth referring, that makes it a medical condition and therefore must be "essential"? But I'm completely unclear about how essential it really is. The orthodontist didn't shriek "OMG you have jaws like Mr Burns!" Grin and if there really is an overbite it is not at all visible externally. But I am not qualified to judge.

@Herecomesdehotstepper DD said that she can always get braces when she's older and decides she really needs them.

DD (14) doesn't want braces
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crazyBadger · 18/10/2023 09:36

The bar is very high to qualify for NHS braces in kids ....

If they are willing to fund it then there is a problem. This problem will cost thousands of pounds to fixin a few short years

Ds goes every 8 weeks (yr10) he has to have the day off school due to distance (and the fact as NHS patient we are not offered the "good" appointment times)
School are good at putting lesson plans online for him to follow.

Robinbuildsbears · 18/10/2023 09:36

If she's happy with the appearance of her teeth, and she doesn't have an uncomfortable bite, then I don't see why she should get them. Not everyone needs a perfect American smile.

troppibambini6 · 18/10/2023 09:39

I refused braces as a kid. Over the years the issue has got worse. I really really regret not having the work done.
My ds (9) has a ready been told he will need significant orthodontic work. It won't be up for discussion it's just something inconvenient that needs doing.

Goodornot · 18/10/2023 09:41

I regretted not having braces. Now I'm an adult my over bite means I frequently bite my bottom lip as my top teeth are in constant contact with my bottom lip.

Also because my top teeth jut forward I am already developing deep creases on either side like jowl lines. These lines disappear when I push my bottom jaw forward into a natural position where it should be. I'll have dreadful jowls when I'm old I'm sure.

My over bite isn't that bad looking either.

My mum didn't make me do it and now I'm annoyed she allowed me to opt out of this treatment.

renata2485 · 18/10/2023 09:43

You can't force her but you can encourage. Many of my kids friends were still wearing braces at 16 so she won't be the only one to have them and be missing the odd lesson to get them tightened.

Some kids who didn't have them at the time now stand out as having worse teeth compared to their friends as the vast majority of them have an absolutely perfect smile. She may live to regret it if she doesn't take the opportunity now.

We always scheduled the appts (as far as possible) at break or lunchtime or during PE lessons so they didn't miss exam content.

Your post reads like she's looking for excuses not to do it, and you are looking at excuses to support her.

Aquamarine1029 · 18/10/2023 09:43

Correcting an overbite is not just for cosmetic reasons. An overbite puts abnormal stress on your jaw joints that can cause TMJ and facial pain when you're older.

WeeStyleIcon · 18/10/2023 09:44

My son age 17 also refused. Lately I get the sense he is regretting it. He had a root canal and it wasn't as bad as he thought.

My advice,offer again in 2 years. If she turns down opportunity again then let her know it can still be an option in her future if she decides to fund it.

sallylondon · 18/10/2023 09:46

Is it being funded by the NHS? The criteria are strict so if it is, I would not say no.

StrictlyComeback · 18/10/2023 09:47

People say the criteria for NHS braces is strict but it seems every other child has them. When I was a teen 30 years ago there was one child in my class with braces.

Querty123456 · 18/10/2023 09:48

Yep I’ve spent a fortune on adult braces, annoyed my folks weren’t bothered enough about it to impress on me how important it was to have had them when they were offered for free as a child.

Forestdweller11 · 18/10/2023 09:51

We spent two years going to the orthodontists for brace fitting/adjustment. It was very time consuming, sometimes painful. It was also at the height of Covid, so a palaver, but grateful DC was seen. BUT at the end of the two years and into approx 3 months of using a retainer my DC decided it wasn't for them. No amount of forcing/cajoling/bribing would change their mind. I 'suffer' from the same issue (not overbite) which has never been corrected (something I regret) and even pointing out the pitfalls of my teeth they were not convinced. My one stipulation was that they had to tell the consultant they were giving up. Which they did. The Consultant acknowledged that the upkeep wasn't for everyone and signed them off from their care.

My thought is that we gave them the chance and at 16 they were beyond 'making' them do something which is quite invasive. If in a few years time they decided that they need their teeth adjusting they will have to fund it themselves. If she doesn't want to do it then its going to be a battle from the start.

TerrificEchidnaSpikes · 18/10/2023 09:52

Your post reads like she's looking for excuses not to do it, and you are looking at excuses to support her.

Um, OK?

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Mischance · 18/10/2023 09:53

It really is a matter of choice. You are not dealing here with a medical necessity.

At a similar age my DD was also referred to an orthodontist for similar reasons. She listened to what he had to say then asked whether she would be able to play her oboe. He thought it might be difficult; so she said No Thanks and we walked away from the whole thing. She is an adult and a Mum now and has never had a moment's concern about her decision. She looks fine - well, rather lovely really!

Another DD had a very strange dental anomaly - one of her front teeth was growing sideways in the roof of her mouth (could not be seen) and the baby tooth never got pushed out. An orthodontist proposed a heroic plan for cutting open the roof of her mouth and gradually over a year dragging down the second tooth by means of head braces and heaven knows what. We got a second opinion and the adult tooth was removed and the baby tooth is fine and in situ 30 odd years later.

You do not have to do anything if your child does not wish to.

Ifyoulikealotofchocolateonyourbiscuit · 18/10/2023 09:53

Why would it take a significant time out of school? I got my braces at 16 (was late losing baby teeth) and got them off at 18. I don’t remember missing much school- appointments weren’t that regular. I had retainer then train tracks then retainer. I would really not want her to pass up the opportunity for funded braces- they’ll cost a fortune as an adult. But ultimately it is her choice

Silverdogblue · 18/10/2023 09:55

StrictlyComeback · 18/10/2023 09:01

Braces are painful and require extra work keeping teeth clean. We have also been told ds will need a nighttime mouth guard for 10 years after they are taken off , otherwise the teeth will revert to their initial position.
If she isn’t fully invested it will be a waste of time.

DS should be told to expect to wear a retainer for as long as he wants his teeth to stay straight. Ten years isn’t it, it’s pretty much a lifetime thing.

Aquamarine1029 · 18/10/2023 09:57

Silverdogblue · 18/10/2023 09:55

DS should be told to expect to wear a retainer for as long as he wants his teeth to stay straight. Ten years isn’t it, it’s pretty much a lifetime thing.

Get permanent/fixed retainers and you never even have to think about them.

Silverdogblue · 18/10/2023 09:58

Aquamarine1029 · 18/10/2023 09:57

Get permanent/fixed retainers and you never even have to think about them.

Again, not quite true but something to discuss with the orthodontist at the time.

Seagrassbasket · 18/10/2023 10:01

Aquamarine1029 · 18/10/2023 09:43

Correcting an overbite is not just for cosmetic reasons. An overbite puts abnormal stress on your jaw joints that can cause TMJ and facial pain when you're older.

I was going to say something like this - you don’t know what the non cosmetic consequences are of not having them.

I’d ask for a chat with the dentist to get all the info, with your daughter too

MillionDollarBill · 18/10/2023 10:02

I think your dc has to be committed to it and if she is happy with her teeth as they are, then I wouldn’t make her. As long as she knows that it’s more difficult to have braces as an adult.

My dc has had them fitted and it’s been hard with the number of appointments (including for removal of teeth) and all she has done is complain about the pain and discomfort.

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