IMHO some people have gone completley batty

[RTKangaMummy]

IMHO some people have gone batty

Some of the mad ideas I have read on here in last couple of days

Bonkerz the lot of them

How they treat their nannies or au pairs

They work long hours for not much pay.

There are some very fair parents who are working hard AND treat their au pair with

RESPECT

KINDNESS

But others

who spend all their time finding something to moan about.........

Why can they not treat them the same way they would like their DD to be treated if she wanted to become an au pair?

Would they want their DD to work in same circumstances?

LOOKING AFTER CHILDREN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE WORLD

THEY ARE OUR FUTURE

It is also the best job in the world and the most fun,

seeing their faces when they have completed a jigsaw puzzle

learnt how to build a tower with 3 bricks

Please remember to treat others as you would like to be treated

.......

And me bk.

To be totally honest - I am the most important person in my kids lives - SWITCH THINGS AROUND FOR A MINUTE - I am the one who is there when they are sick, when they are sad, when they are let down, when they are bullied, when they achieve something special, when they make their own stab at new words, when they ask ?????, when they are ecstatic over something - sorry but the childcare is secondary - they will always jump to me first

PARENTS RULE
No matter what anyone thinks
We are the anchor
and always will be

sorry for gaps - but what is good for the goose

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Not 100% what this thread is all about but parts that has interested me is Ameriscot2005.
To a point I agree what you have said...doesn't take rocket science to access a childcare course or to most carers pass it to. One can have all qualifications under the sun...but it is the personality & vocation that is also needed.

Most nurse practioners etc (including the name nannies) that I know are was called NNEB, BA Hons & to top it off with PGCE. Most of my aquaintences (nannies) started & graduated their degrees in either Law or medicine,topped off with either masters degree or PGCE.

Most professional nannies do actually have a degree ++. (though indeed most people do I'm sure in other professions Mummies & Daddies to)

Some of us oldies(nannies etc) as we rank up further the ladders of our career we tend to get a little more exspensive..some of us also have fine lifestyles..some of us also came from a previlaged background where our parents wanted us to have a degree etc to fall back(is often the comment).

What it all boils down to is that all/most families can only afford certain salaries thats life....Regardless what a family is paying for their carer/childcare all children deserve the best care, saftey etc just because someone has low pay that doesn't allow them to abuse a child.

There are all types of salaries out there & obviously all standards of childcarers. Some jolly expensive others are not.

Some nannies I know who have started on a low salary others on £100,000.00 per annum.
Myself being an expensive nanny through salary raises throughout my career but I would always treat my charges the same if I was only being paid £1hr

sophable Totally agree

Mishmash I am saying that the parents are the most important people in childrens lives

And also other people who look after them up until they are adults themselves. Including teachers etc etc. While the parents are at work or the children are at school.

UKMickey Looking after children in whatever job is a vocation I knew from the age of 12 that I wanted to work with children as a nanny.

Sometimes people don't understand that, others feel that guiding and teaching children is the MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE WORLD

CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE

IMHO anyway

A tip for those employing someone to care for their children is to ask what they want to be doing in 12 months, 5 years or 10 years time?

My answer and anyone else who hears the calling to work and teach children will be the same.

BTW you may be interested to know that I have moved on from LEMON SQUASH

Am now drinking SHLOER and have hiccups

I have a slight feeling my alter egos have been trying to escape onto my posts {sorry about that}

I think it was the lure of the LEMON SQUASH Am putting them to bed now.

Goodnight AEs

er, interesting thread.

One thing that lept out at me - I find it very sad when I hear 'I pay what I can afford, if the nanny/au pair/childminder doesn't like it, they are free to leave'

No thought, in that equation, about children getting attached to their carer. Nannies etc might seem expendable some parents, but what about children's feelings? To a child, their carer has the most important job in the world. (next to mum and dad that is).

I know young children can be resiliant - my sons have had a variety of childminders. But they did miss their old carers, and I moved them through necessity, not choice. To my knowledge, childminders have only left me when they want to end their duties, or when I have moved house so the arrangement is no longer convenient. If I knew a much loved childminder wanted to leave because I paid her under the market rate or expected too much from her, I would be feel I was letting my children down badly.

I doubt that no thought goes into how well attached the child is. There's never a guarantee that a nanny won't ever move on, so it's something that a family always has to be prepared to handle.

I don't think I would want my child to get very attached to a carer. I would always want to make sure there was a clear distinction between the parents and the carers, and I'm sure in 99% of cases there is. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think that a child would move seamlessly from one good, loving, happy, energetic, competent carer to another without any grief at all. Children are very good at moving on, and no employee (whatever their job) is indispensable.

Market rates are exactly that, so I don't understand how you can be below market rates. You can be in the lowest 10 percentile - sure! And there will always be families that scrimp and scrape to afford this. If you are saying that they shouldn't have a nanny at this rate, their only realistic options are to find a childminder with vacancies or to give up work, and both those options means one less job for a nanny to chase.

tigermoth You have made some deffo brill points and I agree.

Ameriscot2005 oh dear.

Any advance on those smilies of wisdom?

I am back on the LEMON SQUASH

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Obviously, this topic, of how we care for our most precious beings and nurture their futures, is complete and utter trivia to you, Kanga.

At least some of us are trying to work through the issues in an adult manner.

The children are the important ones IMHO NOT the parents/nannies/au pairs/childminders/nursery workers/teachers

The children are the only ones who matter IMHO

IMHO It is to think about them hearing and seeing the lack of respect given to the ones who they have grown to love. And that "oh well we can get another one"

CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE

YOU CAN'T BUY LOVE ........ IMHO Anyway

Money is not all of what I am talking about.

RESPECT is the most IMPORTANT.

What exactly do you mean by "respect"?

This thread is so bizarre.

RTK, are you taking the piss, or are you having an American Schmaltz-fest?

Are we going to have more Whitney/ George Benson?

sorry but for ffs i cna't believe this is still gonig, lets face it Kanga has overdoesed on the lemon squash and is a few strawberries short of a punnet

I'm sorry, but I have to take up UKMickey's assertion that most nannies she knows have degrees in Law or Medicine "topped off" with either a Masters or a PGCE. I find it very hard to believe that anyone would do a 5 year medical degree and then a one or two year postgrad qualification and then become a nanny. Sorry, but it just makes no sense. Why go on to do the postgrad qualification? I guess it might be true for nannies from overseas who aren't able to work in the jobs the are qualified for, but not UK nannies, surely.

I think children are more resiliewnt to change than you give them credit for. I also think that exposing them to change prepares them to deal with it in the rest of their lives. When DD was about 14 months old, I took her out of the childminder she had been going to for some 60 hours per week since she was very young (I returned to work after having her in shockingly short time because I was working contract and didn't get a stitch of mat pay from my company). The reason for taking her out was we were moving and getting a live in nanny. TWO WEEKS later, the childminder called and said she missed her terribly and wanted to know if she could come pick her up one afternoon. When the childminder arrived with her own two boys gleaming with huge grins in anticipation of playing with DD... And, DD stood there and stared at them as if she didn't know who they were. TWO WEEKS after leaving their full care. On that day I realised that mums sometimes worry endlessly about things that don't actually scar their children.

Agreeing that the people who look after children whether they are:

PARENTS
GRANDPARENTS
FAMILY
NANNIES
CHILDMINDERS
AU PAIRS
NURSERY WORKERS
TEACHERS

Are giving their time, life, skills, energy and experience all for the development and guidance of the children.

And that lots of the good examples of the above see it as a vocation.

They see children as being very very important.

Obviously there are some who don't care at all about children or what happens to them or how they turn out as adults.

But for all of the ones on the list please realise that they are doing their best for our and your children.

SO PLEASE SHOW THEM SOME RESPECT.

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Kanga, I think it's time for you to own up and define "respect" for us.

Further to that, could you give some evidence to back up your repeated claim of the lack of respect that parents are showing to their children's carers?

COD if you read my last post that is essentially the point

I want to make the point that SAHM and SAHD are also on the list.

They deserve RESPECT too

As do working parents for juggling

Can I RESPECTfully suggest that no-one else posts on this ridiculous thread because it is just fuelling Kanga and there has got to be more to it than lemon squash.
Ciao bambinos.
I am outta here.