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Au Pair won't leave my side

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Snkt · 31/08/2023 20:46

Hi mums,

Long post alert!

I really hope I don't come across as mean and ungrateful. I am just unsure if this is normal.

Our first au pair joined our family 2 weeks ago. We previously had a young nanny (22) who we adored!
She's really young (21) as most of them are and in general, she's very sweet, super helpful around the house and has really taken some things off my plate (house-wise) which is amazing. But we have 2 issues with her and not sure whether they should be classed as issues yet but if they continue are deal breakers for us.

  1. She's not so great with little one. She looks like she's scared of him or bored to death when with him. He's almost 18 months. He has been doing settling sessions at nursery since she joined us and will be going 3/4 days a week so she will only have him 2 days a week (and one of us will always be home). She just seems really robotic with him, like he's a bunch of tasks she needs to tick, there's no bond forming and he's struggling to be with her alone (and I mean we are in a room and she's with him on another room) as he doesn't get comfort from her. So he's being more difficult than usual. and I am struggling to do work as he just wants me. If he cries she just stops in her tracks and keeps saying "sorry" he didn't let her change his diaper or take this or that. While I understand toddlers are HARD WORK, she needs to get on with it because otherwise then I need to do it so what's the point? She's left his butt let's say not very clean after poos like 3 times already so I snapped a little yesterday saying "did he poo this morning?" she said no to which I responded "okay so he slept with poo in his butt all night.." and her response was she didn't know poo could get there. I've shown her how to wipe and what cream to use to help clean better and have said many times before please make sure the wipes have nothing on them. She then later in the day apologised. and I said (after a conversation with my husband where we are getting concerned about her bond with LO) that she's been amazing, very helpful and will do some things before I think of them. I understand it's a new family, new environment and things to get used to but we are concerned about her bond with LO, that she seems to just be ticking the boxes etc and that she's here for LO not for anything else (we don't need a housekeeper). We need them to have a brotherly sisterly bond and for her to love and care for him like she would her own brother otherwise we will always be concerned and stressed. She said she understands and she's trying her best. Gave her a few tips so let's see.
  2. She's ALWAYS there. It's really getting on my nerves. We have a big house. She has her own space. It's not hard to not be in my face all day yet she is. Of course she's supposed to be part of the family etc but even when you are part of the family you don't just linger around with nothing to do. You get on with your life. Yes of course it's only 2 weeks in, so she doesn't have her own life per se yet but I am finding it weird/annoying. e.g. today we came back from working from a coffee shop next to LO's nursery as he had a settling session and my husband who's injured had booked a physio and has to use the living room to avoid going up the stairs so I said to her "he has a physio coming soon so we'll just give some privacy. Feel free to go upstairs and rest. I need to stay here to open the door for the physio (as if I felt I needed to explain why we need some space) but she didn't go. she stayed. stood there. looking at her phone. then grabbed some water. back to her standing spot. blew her nose. stood there. went and grabbed water again. stood there. and it all felt like she was waiting for me so I again said (gently) feel free to go upstairs! we'll make lunch after. but she stayed. she waited for the physio to come. me to open the door. then started making her way to the stairs - VERY slowly like she was waiting for me. got to the first floor then lingered around the stairs there until I went into my office and then she went to her room on the last floor. isn't that odd? I know it's from a good place but it's a LOT. I am not looking for a housekeeper. I have already told her multiple times that I want her to make herself at home, feel comfortable to come in and out and not wait for instructions from me and that outside of what she knows she needs to do if there's anything else I will tell her. I have told her we will NOT be offended if she didn't want to watch the same shows as us or to do her own thing on the weekend (especially as my husband is injured and we are basically stuck at home). I am really concerned about what she's going to do with her time when LO goes starts proper nursery next week. I have asked her what she wants to do with her free time and how I can help as I don't believe she came here to just stay at home and she said she's done all the touristy things and finds them boring. Maybe play netball a night a week and run. she has from 8:30-330pm at least 3 days a week FREE + weekends. That's not enough and she cant just sit in my face waiting for things to do as I have told her I will have nothing for her when LO isn't here and we will be working.

Is this normal? Is it just a matter of patience?

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surreygirl1987 · 01/09/2023 21:47

*Nobody is reporting you to the imaginary au pair police.

Everyone is saying "this isn't working/you're being really needlessly aggressive in your responses"

Who is "they"? You just sound like someone who gets outside the best part of a bottle of wine and has a go at everyone.*

I have to say I agree... OP you sound really aggressive. You've been told your being unreasonable- why are you lashing out instead of listening?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 01/09/2023 21:55

OP you sound really aggressive

Fingers crossed they’re just a keyboard warrior. Horrible to thing if a young woman far from home having to face that kind of manner from the OP if it’s not

underneaththeash · 02/09/2023 14:28

We've successfully hosted a lot of au pairs over the years and yes, you're expecting too much from her. You can't expect someone with no childcare experience to be able to look after a child.

The link you've posted isn't from a UK website - here is the information from the government website
https://www.gov.uk/au-pairs-employment-law/au-pairs

Which links to the BAPAA website for more information:
[[http://bapaa.org.uk/what-is-an-au-pair.html

So it says that they shouldn't be doing full day care and also not caring for children under the age of 2.

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jannier · 03/09/2023 20:33

It's really hard to stop baby wanting you when you're in the next room which isn't going to help bonding ...and why most nanny's don't want to work with parents who are home.
Has she experience with young children.....like siblings!

jannier · 03/09/2023 20:36

Snkt · 31/08/2023 21:44

@Greensleeves but she's not because one of us is always in the room with her she's just entertaining him while we work/ helping feed him etc. But yes she needs to run up and change his diaper while we work. I have also looked well and deep into au pair responsibilities before I shared a contract and expectations with her which she was happy with.

Why would a baby want her when they can see mummy and daddy that's like an aunty forcing a cuddle and baby desperately trying to get away as well as doing nothing for the au pairs confidence

jannier · 03/09/2023 20:40

Ispiltmytea · 31/08/2023 22:24

What is an au pair then?

I thought it was a live in nanny who did everything needed for the child/baby whilst the parents were working.

I am confused

Yep your confused

SherbetDips · 03/09/2023 21:19

You need to hire a mothers help/junior nanny. A newly qualified professional for your toddler.

an au pair isn’t experienced enough for this age.

WimpoleHat · 04/09/2023 09:40

*What is an au pair then?

I thought it was a live in nanny who did everything needed for the child/baby whilst the parents were working.*

No - that’s a live in nanny! Which is extremely expensive (for obvious reasons) and cannot be achieved with room and board and £200 a week pocket money. That would be slave labour…..

Appleofmyeye2023 · 04/09/2023 10:16

We had au pairs in early mid 2000s, when our ds were both at primary
it is a two way deal OP, and it’s not something to take on expecting the au pair to “relieve” work load from you.
their benefit is language- total immersion and an expectation they will need to be studying for a lot of hours. they do this immersion by living with a British family speaking English and learn cultural aspects as well. They expect full board and lodging and some spending money. They need assistance with getting them set up with language school, social interactions and navigation around the area. But they expect to hang around with family and interact all the time- that’s a major source of how they learn the language.

in return for this they do work that can be considered a “sibling” type level support with younger school age kids. And an elder “child” requirements for support with household tasks. That would include some periods of unsupervised care for younger school age kids in terms of ensuring their safety is guarded and a basic routine like homework is done, and giving them help where needed. The au pairs got a lot out of just doing reading time with our ds- they learnt some very strange English based on a total submersion of Harry Potter 🤣🤣. But it’s mostly just mucking around with them, playing games, going to park etc until parents get home from work. We took on aupair becuase we needed someone to walk kids to school and then collect and walk back, and supervise until we got home around 5-5:30pm. They also “helped” with some basic chores like keeping the family bathroom clean (they shared this with ds) and doing DS washing and ironing, basic kitchen stuff that needed doing if they saw it like cleaning worktops, unloading dish washer. But not a huge amount - and again in line with what you’d expect an adult child to do if they were living at home.

we did try a couple of young women. To be frank it wasn’t a great success. Our 2 ds didn’t really relate to them, and they were homesick and stuck to me as glue wanting to do “girly” stuff . Both were also form big cities and had no concept of rural life styles. I also fretted about them using public transport at night.

We switched within 6 months to male unpairs and didn’t look back for 5 years. all our lads came form eastern block type countries and had done national service- they were already a bit independant and were used to, frankly, being given orders and following them. We had 3 in that time, all stayed beyond their 1 year contract. Our ds benefitted hugely from these big brother relationships - so did the other mums on our estate as all the young men would organise football games in park after school etc. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤣. I’m still in touch 20 years later with 2 of them and follow their interesting and full lives they’ve had . Both are married now with children of their own.

but it was hard work- we acquired an elder son each time that we needed to “care” for as well. They had their own ups and downs at time whether it was “girl friend” trouble, issues back home and needing to get home in a hurry, issues with their language course, health problems needing help navigating GPS, nhs and hospitals, getting stuck with public transport etc…just normal young adult stuff where their lack of knowledge of culture and way things work in uk meant they needed extra support, despite their age and experience at national service.

au pair is not a replacement for nannies. It is not a “cheap” form of childcare. It may mean spending less money, but it is more work on a personal level in terms of having an extra adult child in the family, and one that, upon arrival, doesn’t speak much English. In return you get small hours of supervision for older children which is above all flexible, which is what we needed, and some basic household tasks being done.

id certainly never have an aupair with children that couldn’t talk themselves, and needed active care, as in an 18 month old. Too much of a safe guarding risk.

Hotsaucegal · 15/09/2023 19:53

Any update on this situation- curious as to how it has all panned out!

Samlewis96 · 16/09/2023 16:50

Whyisitsosohard · 01/09/2023 01:27

I am amazed an aussie is okay with being paid 200 quid a week. Babysitters make 30 dollars an hour here so she'd earn the weekly equivalent you pay her doing an 11 hour day here. It's a ridiculous amount for what you want her doing.

Do Aussie babysitters also get accommodation and food paid for as well as that $30 per hour

katepilar · 29/09/2023 20:12

Let her go. This isnt what having an aupair should be like. /I used to work as an aupair myself./

katepilar · 29/09/2023 20:25

If she is to have sole charge of a toddler for two full days, even if its with a parent wfh, its not a typical aupair job. Some aupairs are fully capable of this, but not all. This one isnt capable at all, she doesnt sound cut to be an aupair.

Btw if she is a foreigner, the British wording can be extremely confusing. Feel free to go upstairs doesnt sound like We need privacy, go away.

katepilar · 29/09/2023 20:39

nonamesavailable123 · 01/09/2023 14:36

My DD's friend is 18 and going through the process of moving to the US to be an au pair. She needs to have logged a certain number of hours with babies/under 2's and hours with older children. She will then be good to go. She will be paid 200 dollars approx a week and look after 2-4 children in the home. It sounds bloody stressful to me for not much money but there you go

The aupair industry in the US is heavily organised by the state and a few aupair agencies. I dont think any European country has such high demands and restrictions as the US. UK used to be one of the easiest countries to get an aupair job in, until Brexit happened.

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/09/2023 18:08

As others have said you need a nanny not an au pair

They don't look after children under 3 usually

And most have children at school - hence the comment /list saying helping with homework

They don't usually look after toddlers
And change nappies

Any child is their parents are about at that age are going to want you and not her - esp if he knows you are in the house

Get a nanny for two days he isn't st nursery

drubio · 15/04/2024 17:38

@Snkt how did you get on and what did you decide in the end? I can't help to comment because I think you've had a lot of criticism on this thread. We are in a similar situation, and now our youngest is going to FT nursery. We just couldn't get a place for him. We had a couple of au pairs with us that helped looking after him whilst we were at home, some will be more than capable of helping out and many, many au pairs do change nappies. Ultimately, the au pair needs to know what she is getting into before committing - we were very clear about schedule and tasks during the interview process. Anyway, I hope you either found a better suited au pair or a solution that works well for your family. X

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