Unassisted Accidental Homebirth... Lets share amazing labour/birth videos we've seen.

[newmomma]

Awesome!!!

Thought it might be nice to share videos of inspiring/amazing births we've been watching (come on we're all doing it!).

Good ones!!

This isn't me obviously

tweed 1/10 cs's are for the convenience of the mother on the NHS and appose no obstetric need for a cs.

ok, great , we agree on some things

forgive my geographical ignorance too

so, can you please tell me, as i feel we are at cross purposes, what do you consider a c.s for convenience?

as so far all the xamples i give, of elective c.s, you say are fine

1/10 el cs's I correct myself

so 9/10ths do have an obstetric need behind them?

Where does that statistic come from? And who makes the judgement?@Chelles. Sounds dubious to me.

The NHS made the judgment to the NCT when they released thier stats for 2005-2007.

Yes that means 9/10th have ob needs: whats your point? that more cs are done through medical reasons? yes they are and I dont doubt this but an 100 women out of every 1000 apparently have no need for one but would like one anyway. Which is thier choice, simple, I just want to try and steer the mums to be in USVI in the other direction through knowledge and management.

I was working for the NCT in 2005 and don't recall this, but I will look into it.

It isn't really your job to steer anyone, though, Chelles, it is your job to inform and support.

I loved the original video. Did we see this one - not unintentional, but I love her calmness, unwrapping the cord herself etc.

I love the idea of unassisted, fantasise about it a lot! but recognise it would usually be more risky than having a sympathetic yet careful midwife around.

Obviously never had an unintentional one, but (perhaps because of all the fantasies) can't figure out why people seem so freaked out by them, or why they could consider themselves lucky that it went okay - with birth you're unlucky if things go wrong, not lucky if they go right. I can't think of anything lovelier than having no-one else around to interfere or say stupid things in the first few minutes after birth.

"Yes that means 9/10th have ob needs: whats your point? that more cs are done through medical reasons? yes they are and I dont doubt this but an 100 women out of every 1000 apparently have no need for one but would like one anyway. Which is thier choice, simple, I just want to try and steer the mums to be in USVI in the other direction through knowledge and management."

hat was exactly m point

it is their choice, simple! yes, exactly ! their choise

and as tweedy has said , it is not your job to steer anyone

are you going to provide objective information, especially to first time mothers, or will you not let them know about opiates or epidural?

will their be a balance in your approach?

which is what i meant to inform them of EVERYTHING about conception, pregnancy and labor, as well as post natal. To be there for them whenever they need me and to do what they ask of within limits - obv not crazy ideas like 'I would like to birth on my roof so I can get the fresh air'

Yes I will Lulu, inform them that if they want to go the medical pain relief route then they will have to birth with the local hospital and not with me in the BC. I will inform all of my mums what thier choices are, but promote the natural birth.

I see.

fair enough

listen to interview

As someone who WILL be 38 years old when she give birth, and who has a history of depression, and some pretty bad issues surrounding birth because of some early sexual abuse and other unlucky experiences -

I can say, hand on heart, counselling and support IS hard to get on the NHS. There ARE long, long waiting lists. You might not get what you ask for anyway. And counselling doesn't 'fix' you, nor are anti-depressants a magic wand. They can all help, and usually do, and I've had a fair bit of both in the past! - but you don't get 'cured', you just try and get a bit better. And there are no guarantees - some people respond very well and quickly, and others take a lifetime.

And what makes all of it SO much harder is the hostile and dismissive attitude of others. chellesgirl, I think you mean well, I really do. But I don't think you are being open to the experiences of others, and I think you have a very narrow agenda. Sincere as I'm sure it is, if you want to be supportive to other women, you can't dictate to them in the way you're doing here. Of course you are entitled to your views, we all are. But I sincerely think, unless you are prepared to walk the mile in someone else's shoes, you shouldn't try and put yourself in a professional caring role.

ShowOfHands and Lulumaam, I'm glad you are providing a bit of perspective and compassion in this thread.

will listen later, but on the whole, i am not a supporter of freebirht and have turned down clients who express a desire for freebirth.

chellesgirl, while you are training within the NHS, will you refuse to support a woman electing for c.s for those reasons of convenience?

I would not refuse to help or support anyone, I am Christian and believe that whatever I feel, if someone else does something whether right or wrong then I will help them. I wont be preacticing as a midwife here in UK, and it may sound 'charming' but as soon as the certificate comes in - im flying off but thats not by choice cause I dont want to work in UK but more of the fact I have family there and we are moving there anyway.

the thread was about UHB's thats why I linked it, didnt say you had to watch it

ah i see, i might still watch it though !

i definitely thikn you should be more open about all tehse different birth experiences, and understand that he woman is the one who carries it with her forever, it is not your job to be anything other than happy for her , if she is happy.

I would be elated if a woman got the birth that she intended for/didnt intend for but was still happy with outcome, of course. JUst cause I have these opinions does not mean I would ever compramise the care of a woman and her baby - never.

What about this one. Unbelievably fast. She looks totally shell-shocked.

Have you been at many elective sections?Chelles

My second birth was a planned section because I had very severe OC.

I can understand why some one who has only experienced a lovely, natural, home water birth might have thought my DD's birth (if they had witnessed it) was clinical and medicalised and horrible, but seriously, for me it was just the most amazing birth. It was serene and lovely and then whooosh! - the most amazing rush of adrenalin and feeling of complete wellbeing washed over me as they lifted my daughter out (screens lowered so I could see) and put her on my chest. It was the most exhilirating moment of my life. I can't actually imagine that the woman int he clip at the start of this thread felt any happier than I did at the moment my DD was born. And surely that it what it's all about?

Wow - some fab videaos

Chellsgirl - can you just clarify something for me please ? Earlier in the thread you said that 10% of CS were carried out simply because a woman requeested it, and quoted the following as your evidence :

'" the idea that a woman with no medical, obstetric or psychological risk factors can demand that her child be delivered surgically, at increased risk to herself and her fetus and increased cost to the NHS has no parallel in any other area of medical or surgical care. Johnson et al (1986) found that 10% of obstetricians surveyed would perform a caesarean section for no other reason than that the woman requested it." this is what im on about - nothing else.

Yes ? How on earth do you ascertain that 10% of CS are carried out by request from that quote - which refers to the fact that 10% of OBSTETRICIANS surveyed said that would fulfill a woamnd request, not that they HAVE done ? And how many obs were surveyed ? 10% of 5 obs ? 10% of 10,000 obs ?

I'd respectfully suggest that you look in more detail at how you read and interpret research if you want to successfully validate your claims - it might be worth asking your tutors for some help ?

Are C- sections really ever carried out for the convenience of the mother? Chellesgirl I would love you to provide support for that 1/10 statistic - please do.

I am aware that some sections may appear to be about convenience. Indeed if I am ever pregnant again I may be one of those woman you dismiss as being all but abhorant, but the fact is due to working overseas my husband is very unlikely to be able to attend the birth and I would hate to go through labour/birth without him as our last baby was stillborn.

Therefore despite being a big supporter of homebirth and always having dreamed of one (1st planned HB, admitted for early induction @36wks due to bleeding; 2nd laboured at home -too scared to try HB due to trauma of 1st delivery- for 17hrs arrived at home unit an hour before DS born; 3rd delivery very medical due to prediagnosed difficulties) I am seriously considering a planned section for any 4th baby.

And I sincerely hope during my antenatal care that I am lucky enough to avoid anyone as narrow minded and judgemental as chellesgirl

Well spotted sassy.