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Really upset at the natural child birth brigade...

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Huncamuncaa · 11/08/2019 22:42

Sorry everyone.... need to vent...

I had a baby almost 5 years ago. I did the NCT course and armed myself with all the facts. I took in everything they said. I wanted a calm, natural birth.

It didn't work out that way. My baby was delivered by ventouse. I had severe bruising and scaring which took months to heal. Walking was painful for weeks. After the birth, the bruising prevented me from sitting down for days.

I was told that the heart rate had dropped due to the cord being round the baby's neck, hence the way he was delivered that way. I had been a bit out of it at the time on painkillers. I have never talked about the birth much and nor has my husband. It was traumatic but we survived it.

The NCT reunion came round and it turned out that all of us had had to have some sort of intervention at birth, except for the girl who had wanted a home birth. Her baby sailed into this world. It was blissful. The NCT leader looked quite smug. Her message that 'if you want a natural birth and remain calm, it will happen,' was ringing true. I told her about my birth and how I had had to have the baby born quickly because they cord was causing his heart rate to drop. She told me this was most unlikely, many babies are born this way (I know that this is true). She said it was more likely that my birth had been 'over medicalised'. Apparently when you give birth in hospital, doctors frequently don't give first time mums the time they need to give birth. She suggested that I had been very anxious and this has reduced my ability to push. The woman basically changed my understanding of my own birth. For the last 4 and a bit years I have believed that if I had breathed deeper, been more in tune with my body or had dimmer lights I would have not had six months of physical discomfort due to scarring from my episiotomy. My birth would have felt joyful not traumatic.

So I am pregnant again. Did a different (but similar) antenatal course, desperate for that joyful birth. Told the group about my first birth. Was told again, it was unlikely to have been an actual emergency. This time the meditation will get me through. Childbirth will be a dream.

Today I finally spoke to my mum (a doctor) who had been in the delivery suite at my first birth. She filled me in. She was really shocked that my understanding was that my birth had been 'unnecessarily medicalised'. She told me that my baby's heart rate dropped critically low and that, yes, I was in that very small minority of cases where the cord is wrapped in such a way that it affects the heart rate and could have caused a still birth. I knew that my son had been taken off me but didn't actually realise he was being resuscitated while I was stitched up. My mum had been very concerned. My bruising was caused by him being born with both his hands next to his head. (There isn't anything they could have done to prevent this position, not even a home birth amongst scented candles). I was unlucky with the episiotomy scarring, but the quick delivery saved the life of my baby.

My natural birth prevented my child from being still born. How was I so easily brain washed and made to feel inadequate by these people, even after almost five years?! I do believe that being calm, meditation and the rest of it helps but how can someone, who wasn't there and hasn't seen my notes feel like it's OK to educate me on what happened and why it all went wrong?!

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AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 13/08/2019 09:16

All nonsense. Part of it is very much luck of the draw. I’ve had two births- one that was all positive chai and Tibetan singing bowls and one that was chord round the neck, fast and furious. Did nothing different with either. Be kind to yourself.

Frazzled2207 · 13/08/2019 09:20

Yanbu at all. I do think some births are over-medicalised, eg in france I know epidurals are standard, but generally speaking you can't get away from the fact that sometimes, no matter how relaxed the mother is, intervention is necessary to ensure baby gets out alive. My first birth was a bit like yours. No matter how much I pushed I couldn't get him out so he needed to be got out.

My second was a lot better. I think I was just lucky second time though, and of course number 2 babies do often come out a bit more easily.

motortroll · 13/08/2019 09:21

I'm so sorry you e experienced that attitude, I'm sure it's not helped you deal with your feelings around your birth experience!!

I have been very lucky to have had 3 non assisted births and was very resistant to medical intervention in theory but my god if a doctor or midwife said your baby is in danger id let them throw whatever drugs and procedures necessary at me regardless of the consequences to me!

With regards to the hypnosis thing/yoga of course that helps it helps you stay in control but won't save a baby in distress.

We're so lucky to live in a country where we have access to expert medical care for free sometimes we just have to trust the experts!

I do believe that some births are over medicalised but on my experience of "birth stories" (purely anecdotal of course) it always seems to have happened to people who went in demanding all the drugs after the first contraction or from induction. And of course that's not always the case.

Personally I can't stand women that judge everyone under one standard when it comes to childbirth and parenting. All bodies and labours are different it can't be the same for everyone just because someone says it can!

If it makes you feel any better I got shamed at work the other day for my 3 "easy" births. Apparently I'm just a hippy naturalist who pops them out like peas. I'm really not lol

yomommasmomma · 13/08/2019 09:26

OP your NCT leader is an idiot. All births are different and however they happen, whatever you do to get you and your baby safely though is perfect.

BizzzzyBee · 13/08/2019 09:26

Surely it depends what you mean by “pushing”?
Saying natural birth is what’s best and what everyone should have, and if you need intervention it’s bad and is your fault. Nope - what’s best is to avoid agonising pain and trauma, and end up with a healthy mum and baby.

If you’re fortunate enough to have a lovely easy natural birth then that’s great. But if you have complications or the life of mum or baby is at risk, then thank god for modern medicine. I’m forever grateful to the doctor who decided it would be preferable for me to have a c-section instead of ripping myself in half trying to deliver a large and badly positioned baby, causing serious permanent damage to my body and possibly killing or severely disabling my baby in the process.

SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 13/08/2019 09:29

I too had planned a relaxing water birth with essential oils for relaxation... wrote a birth plan... pondered for ages what I wanted to do with the placenta / should I have the Vit K injection?? ...... (blah blah blah...)
But you know what? I had ALL the drugs and my DC1 was an emergency Csec. Thank fuck I live in a developed country where this option is safe & available to me or it could have been a whole different story!

Ignore these people they are twats! All my kids were Csecs & all were breastfed & have turned out absolutely fine!

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SmiledWithTheRisingSun · 13/08/2019 09:30

Oh and agreed that the meditation / deep breathing techniques do help to calm you down. However your birth turns out!

HerSymphonyAndSong · 13/08/2019 09:32

Hmm, it’s not actually divided into “lovely easy natural birth” and “complications or the life of mum or baby is at risk”

My son’s birth was long but straightforward in the sense that it followed the sequence of events of a “normal vaginal delivery”. I was fortunate enough to be able to manage the pain with hypnobirthing breathing in the early stages, and gas and air and pool in later stages. I had no tearing etc. I feel very very lucky in that respect. However, positive as the overall experience was, it was at times very scary and uncertain for me, so I certainly did not find it “easy”

BertrandRussell · 13/08/2019 09:32

“Saying natural birth is what’s best and what everyone should have, and if you need intervention it’s bad and is your fault.”

Well, obviously! And I am sure that there are people who say that in those words and that is outrageous.

But it is OK to want a “natural” birth and there are things you can do to make it more likely that you will have one. That’s not pushing- that’s just fact.

BizzzzyBee · 13/08/2019 09:38

It is ok to want a natural birth. It’s not ok to say that people who aren’t able to have one are bad and at fault. And it’s amazing that we have the technology to save lives and stop pain - I have no idea why anyone would feel bad about taking advantage of that. All types of birth come with their own risks - women shouldn’t be made to feel bad about choosing/needing something other than natural birth.

BertrandRussell · 13/08/2019 09:39

“It is ok to want a natural birth. It’s not ok to say that people who aren’t able to have one are bad and at fault”
Of course. And I must be lucky because I have never heard anyone say that.

TubbyMonkeh · 13/08/2019 09:43

I've had 3 homebirths and I don't consider myself anything other than EXTREMELY bloody lucky.
It has nothing to do with 'the birth you want' and she is very unprofessional in saying those things.
Baby's safety is priority. You don't mess around with dropping heart rates.

Coffee345 · 13/08/2019 09:54

I'm a big fan of the meditating hypnobirthing stuff. But I'm an even bigger fan of birthing a well baby & mothers surviving. Both my babies births were drug free etc. But it was pure bloody luck! Nowt to do with deep breathing etc. If I was you I'd go over your last birth at your next midwife appointment & let they know that as far as safety possible you'd like a calm birth. Realistically no one can change the outcome. It really is luck of the draw.

Blue2309 · 13/08/2019 10:06

I did an NCT course and we did spend lots of time talking about meditating and massage at home in early labour and discussed what feel-good movies we would watch to get endorphins going. Turns out was total waste of time as 6/7 of us were induced! However the instructor was very open to all types of pain relief - with epidurals her advice was don’t decide in advance see how you feel in the moment, which was sensible. Also had a big c section role play which those who had sections found very helpful.
So I think NCT is getting a bit of flack here. However my major issue is with hypnobirthing. I absolutely loathe the whole ‘cult’ that’s grown up around it. Yes there are some sensible principles behind it but no amount of breathing/affirmations/visualisation is going to control your labour. Labour is totally down to luck.
I did the Positive Birth Company digital pack and also followed them on social media. Absolutely wish i’d never heard of them. Their Instagram in particular is awful (birth stories with ‘no pain relief’ followed by a prayer hands emoji etc). I think this all fully contributed to the PND and PTSD I am now dealing with.

I completely agree with a pp who said that some people’s bodies do labour better. It’s like all things. It took me two months to get pregnant. It took my 36 hours, every drug going and a pair of forceps to get baby out.

IdblowJonSnow · 13/08/2019 10:20

The nct ideology can be quite dangerous.
I've seen a lot of intelligent people sucked in by the horse shit that they spout.
Why people care so much that some women would prefer to have interventions or that some simply need to have them 8s beyond me.
Has anyone ever heard it suggested that we suffer tooth ache without pain relief because it's natural? Thought not.
Op sorry for your experience the first time around and that you were duped like this.
My 2nd baby was delivered by elective c section - a lot of people had opinions about that but I didn't concern myself with them.

BertrandRussell · 13/08/2019 10:33

But unless you’re the sort of person who would like to give birth with as few interventions as possible, what are you doing at the NCT anyway?

Passthecherrycoke · 13/08/2019 10:33

Learning how to look after a baby?

BertrandRussell · 13/08/2019 10:36

“Learning how to look after a baby?“

Why would you go to the NCT for that?

Passthecherrycoke · 13/08/2019 10:37

Because they teach you how to breastfeed, bathe a baby, dress a baby wean a baby, they give you a helpline you can access etc etc. Not that much of the course is around giving birth. 1/4 of ours was breastfeeding.

Also, tbf, many people go to make local baby friends.

Passthecherrycoke · 13/08/2019 10:38

Sorry posted too soon- they have people attend all the time who have planned c sections so it’s not seen as a course just for labour.

BertrandRussell · 13/08/2019 10:57

Yes- but the reputation of the NCT is that they lean very much towards the “natural” way. If that’s not the way you would like to go, why would you attend?

bananasandwicheseveryday · 13/08/2019 11:01

BertrandRussell

We do need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The NCT started as a radical organisation that advocated for women and babies at a time when the whole process of child birth was completely medicalised and largely in the control of men. Women were frequently strapped to beds, their legs in stirrups. Episiotomies were routine, and there was no choice or even input in what drugs were given.

Given that the NCT was formed in the mid 1950's, when home births accounted for around 33% of all births, I don't think it is entirely correct to state that the whole process was completely medicalised. I don't doubt that for many women who chose to give birth in hospital, that was the case, but to say it was true for all, is simply not correct.

Unfortunately, as with any organisation, there will always be those who put their own spin on things. It may be that some will overplay the importance and effectiveness of (in this case) relaxation, or exaggerate the downsides of medical intervention.
Is the NCT or their instructors subject to any professional body regulations? Or is it the case that the person leading a group can pretty much say what they like without any comeback?

Passthecherrycoke · 13/08/2019 11:01

@BertrandRussell well, for the reasons I stated I guess Confused

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 13/08/2019 11:07

My antenatal classes on the NHS wouldn't discuss interventions either. We asked about c-sections/forceps etc as we had an average age of 35, someone had a pre-existing heart condition, someone had just been diagnosed with gestional diabetes and someone already had high blood pressure at 30 ish weeks. The midwife taking the class point blank refused and said everything would be fine if we "relaxed" and thought postitvely.

We ended up with 3 forcep deliveries (one of which ended in haemorrhage), 3 sections and 1 relatively straight forward delivery although the baby spent the next 4 weeks in NICU.

It's not just the NCT.

Blue2309 · 13/08/2019 11:12

I did the NCT because the NHS only
offered two antenatal classes which were enormous (20 couples?) and I wanted to make some mum friends. Very glad I did. Am about to meet one of them for coffee right now!