Oh FFS is Vbac really better than another section?

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Trying to work out if it is worth holding out or not.....

oh and info and support is needed when a mother decideds to have a baby by c/s . if its the last choice and baby and mum health at risk then so be it but an op is for a reason not for choice

too right

The difference here is that those of us who prefer a c/s are happy to accept that everyone should have the right to make her own choice whereas those who prefer natural are saying that everyone must choose your way until such time when it is deemed medically necessary to have a section. And what is medically necessary? I think having had a previous section should qualify.

It depends WHY you had to have the section in the first place. Foetal distress during the first labour doesn't necessitate a section for all other births.

Yes it does. Risk of scar rupture is enough for me. Chances are smal, but consequences are horrific.

Choice. It's all about choice.

How bout if I come and tell you that you must have a section because I believe they are safer for you and for baby? You wouldn't like it one bit. (and I wouldn't do that) But, why would it be different from you telling me what my choices should or shouldn't be?

I have read some of this thread but not all of it.
I had an emergency section with DD due to a brow presentation (she was induced after waters broke but contractions didn't start). I was dead set against having a VBAC next time around as I thought it would happen again.
When I did fall pregnant almost 3 years later, no-one even tried to talk me round from requesting an elective section. I don't regret the way my children were born, they are here and are both healthy and I did make a full recovery. If my first labour hadn't ended in a section then I wouldn't have requested a section the 2nd time around, but I had no control over the way my labour was handled. I also do not feel that I haven't given birth or ashamed of the way they were born.

I wanted a natural delivery, argued for one, but in the end had no option but section - probably will be the same thing this time around (PIH, AMA) though we're keeping options open. BUT I am shocked at the idea of anyone feeling sorry for mothers delivering by c-section: made me laugh, to be honest. It took me years to meet my dd, when the moment came I gave not a toss how it came about - it was wonderful.

You can come and tell me what you like. I have read extensively on the subject. It's my right to make my own decisions.
It's my opnion that women who never give birth vaginaly HAVE missed out. They can't say they haven't because they will never know what it feels like.
Of course what we all want is healthy baby, no one is saying " I would rather my baby dies than have a section" that's ridiculous.
If you say you want a section because of the tiny risk of rupture, which if in a hospital can be very quickly dealt with AND it does not happen 'just like that' there ARE amy warning signs, then you may as well not give birth at all because that is risky whatever way you do it. In fact you may as well stay in your house in case you get run over or get mugged.
I do understand that women get frightened but risk of rupture, of course they do and it is a difficult decicsion to make. What I am saying is that for many women HOW they give birth MATTERS and all this " oh vbac isn't all that" makes me angry.
Having a sucessful vaginal birth after section is incredibly important to a large number of women.
If a woman comes on here to ask 'advice' then she should be given as many points of view as possible and after all they are only points of view. I think that she knows really what she wants and is hoping to have her feelings backed up. If people can provide links that give medical back up then all the better.
I find that those people who advocate section after section become quite defensive and aggressive when others come on and say they don't agree. If you feel completely happy with your decision then what others say should not matter.

sounds like you are trying to cause an argument spacedust!

"I find that those people who advocate section after section become quite defensive and aggressive when others come on and say they don't agree."

Not quite as agressive as you thou' Spacedust, eh?

And your views on how a woman feels after a c-section are based on what exactly? I am presuming you have never had one so how can you possible make such sweeping statments. And what about mothers who had experienced both types of delivery and prefer a c-section?

Jesus have a word with yourself .

Absolutely not!!! I am just being honest. I think you should not shy away from controversial subjects because they may upset people or make them uncomfortable. It happens to be a subject I feel strongly about that's all.
Someone can tell me that they disagree with me, that's fine, that's what debate is all about.
Should we say to someone who comes here and courts opinion " Oh whatever you do is fine by me"? There's little point in that.

I have had plenty of different birth experiences and have talked to plenty of mothers over the years with different birth experiences.

So do you know of any hospitals that will do a section simply because the mum doesn't want to give birth naturally? I have never met a consultant that is willing to that without some medical reason, they tend to suggest trial labour.
I can tell you feel strongly about this but you are coming across as aggressive and that your way is the right way no matter what others may think. You are not going to be able to convince anyone with that attitude.

You can feel strongly about something Spacedust without being rude and disparaging about the choices others make.

Snap Kid!

Spacedust, you are not just stating your opinion. You are going much further in saying that other pregnant women should follow your preferences. It is my opinion that you have no more right to tell me how to give birth than I have to tell you how to give birth.

Now let's take Pupuce for example. She pretty much agrees with your views. I've chatted with her on many threads. We don't agree. But, she can step back and respect that my choices are mine. Her role is to support women in their choices. It is not to tell them what choices to make. So, why can't you act a bit more like Pupuce?

NO, I have never said that people should follow my choices

I know a hospital who will perform sections on first time mothers who them without any medical reason at all. Simply fear of vaginal birth. Too bad it didn't occur to me to ask for a an elective my first time around. We both could have had a lot fewr drugs pumped into us and much nicer experience. But, oh well... now I knoe how nice an elective is. I haven't missed anything. I have absolutely no desire to ever experience vaginal childbirth. I think it's overrated, personally. So, please, nobody pity me for having avoided it.

Yes , that's your choice and that is really ok with me. I'm sorry if you think I am being agressive. But there are many women for whom that is not ok

"I do not think it is right that a woman can choose to have a section on the grounds that she wants one rather than that she will need one."

How can you say that is simply your opinion. You have flat out stated that a woman should not have the right to choose.

"without a shadow of a doubt YES. I don't care what they say about it not mattering how babies arrive as long as they are ok. IT DOES MATTER of course it does and nayone who says is doesn't is a lier and is trying to kid themselves. I really feel sorry for those women who, whether by choice or not, have never given birth normally"

Spacedust please enlighten me - why DOES IT MATTER?

" I do not think it's right" is still my opinion. I could say that about a million and one things. You don't LIKE my opinion, it offends you. Your opinion is different to mine. You do think it's right. I disagree, that's all. Perhaps I can couch my opinions to make them more paletable. I am not trying to persuade anyone to do anything different to the way they have chosen for themselves. I am not trying to win an argument either. Every woman has a right to make the informed choice she wants regarding childbirth and I am allowed to disagree with it.

Gomez, if it doesn't matter to you then I can't possibly expain that. if I could I would. To those women for whom it does matter ,they know why

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