Amanda Holden .....Another one who is..........................

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Too posh to push - its an awful coincidence all these showbiz mums....anyone know her?!!

Agree that it's personal choice and no one has the right to judge another woman on the manner in which she chooses to give birth. I have heard of women who have been raped who cannot bear to go through the trauma of a vaginal delivery. Also (and I don't feel this is a vanity issue) vaginal delivery can seriously mess up your vagina . Now, if men had babies, do you seriously think that they would consider a birth option that risked affecting their sexual performance, sensitivity and even pain? Not a chance! Ok, I know it's hard to picture biologically speaking, but you get my point....

Have done it both ways, and my bits were just as pristine after pushing out a ten pounder as they were having had 2 cs ... infact DH says better difference was, I actually wanted sex within a couple of days of normal birth. Was in too much pain and so upset didn't want it at all for several months after the cs.

CS aint the easy option. Nor does it guarantee any pristine parts. Nor does it protect you from incontinence, or any of the other myths. It does give you a blinking great scar, increased risks in subsequent pregnancies, a charming flappy bit over your scar, painful long recovery, and all the rest!!

Must disagree rachp, a section does reduce incontinence. Might not prevent it completely. But, most of the damage to the pelvic floor occurs in labour and delivery, not in the 9 or so months of pregnancy.

Rachp you were very lucky to be in a position to want sex with a 2 day old 10 lb baby!

Hi Uwila,

am referring to the research that compared continence in women who had given birth with nuns, who (presumably?!) hadn't. Showed no difference in levels of incontinence. Have the ref here if needed ... Corr, just thinking about it makes me do those pelvic floors

2days with a 10lb baby?! am still trying to get used to the idea though different people have different circumstances

rachp i had a 91b, 3oz baby (vaginal delivery) and I didn't want sex for 3 months as I was so sore and had a painful scar from stitches, but delighted for you! Anyhow, there is evidence to suggest that suturing can harm vagina tissue long term (a substantial number of women experience pain during sex and some require operations whereby they are re-cut). I would still want a vaginal delivery (I'm a masochist)next time, but no way would I ever judge a woman who wants a c-section.

i din't realise that so many had probs. i had 3 or 4deg tear, in surgery for over hour and still have probs. they stitched wrong, find sex extremely painful i feel it's ruined my life sometimes

sorry

that's awful. How long ago was the birth? It was only about 3 mths ago that it felt normal again for me (ds 20 mo). Hope it gets better for you & that you don't need surgery

Blimey ladies. When someone comes on here posting that they are going to have to have a section, everyone starts saying "at the end of the day, as long as both you and baby are safe then it doesn't matter how baby arrived".

Surely the same applies to AH.

I had a cs three months ago and I am only just feeling like myself again. It was an emergency cs as labour didn't progress and it annoys me that people think it is the "easy option". I went through 20 hours of labour and then ended up having a cs. At the end of the day as long as mum and baby are ok at the end of it does it really matter how the baby is born!!

I don't think it's an easy option at all. After 14 hours of labour (4 pushing) I was begging them not to do a section. Despite all the problems with my delivery I would still prefer a vaginal birth next time. However, I think some women are very judgemental about these things and I believe women should be free to make the choice based on what's in theirs and the baby's interests. As you illustrate, some women don't even have a choice (like AH?)and it must be extremely annoying to have people alluding to it as if it's a day out in the park.

I think that women who have had vaginal deliveries secretly envy women who have had c-sections because their fannies remain (relatively) undamaged, or pristine as Twig put it. I know that c-sections cause a whole host of other problems but these aren't as emotionally damaging as damage to our sexual bits. It sounds a bit crass or flippant but I think there's some truth to it.

I've had 2 vaginal deliveries. I would never envy someone the pain of a section, not to mention the recovery, but if I'm honest then I do envy them their unchanged fannies. Much as I envy bottle-feeders their 'full' boobs!

It's laughable though that people think a section is an easy way out. My god, I can think of easier ones, (like using a condom). There's no easy way to give birth fgs!

I can assure you I am not secretly envious of anyone who has had a c-section. Hilarious!!!! That's what I love about MN

omg Pip are you serious?????????????????

There's a lot of antagonism about women / celebs having c-sections. What's the problem with it then? What makes these women so angry about it? There has to be some element of envy I think somewhere.

pmsl

Oh, Pip, bless you!!!! I'm wiping the tears from my eyes here....wonderful, thought provoking stuff, your post!!!!!

Always happy to bring a smile to someone's face

More of a great, big guffaw

Even better...

Did you spit your coffee/wine over your keyboard at the same time?!

No, wasn't drinking anything, luckily!

It's funny that there's such an issue over sections / 'natural' though. Just trying to work out why. I hate giving birth full stop.

thanks expectin.fran will be one in april, about 6wks time i think. god it's come round quick. been to see gynae in dec, they said i will get letter for appointment in two months for summat called a fenton's procedure. that time was up 2wks ago so will have to phone. all i can say at mo is thank heavens for ky, a miraculous invention
good days and bad days tho i not looking4wards to op. knowing my luck i will get appt in middle of fran's birthday party.