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Student midwives say Mumsnet posters on the birth forum just peddle horror stories about birth and midwife bashing WTF?

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Ushy · 08/06/2012 14:20

This is the link and it made me feel really upset.
They have no idea how traumatic birth can affect people. This forum is one of the few places people can share their experiences without being judged.
www.studentmidwife.net/fob/mumsnet-and-the-promotion-of-medicalised-birth-thoughts.69784/
Not at any point do any of them question whether their apporach is wrong. No - it is all WE need 'empowering' 'educating' 'encouraging' to do things their way.

I did it their way once - big mistake and PTSD. Subsequently went for caesarean and epidural.

What scares me to death is that if I ever had another child, then I could fall into the grips of this lot and I just think that is scary.

Anyone else feel the same?

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StarlightOverJuicy · 14/06/2012 11:06

The midwife did explain to me at the time and afterwards why she had lept in at that point when I was in the pool. I suffer no trauma from her actions as I understand it completely. I suppose I just find it 'interesting' that again, my body DID actually know what to do.

I wonder if my 2nd degree tears could have been prevented had I been able to put one leg up, - but in all honesty I think that the tears 'probably' came from my insistance that no-one touch or coach me during that stage, which she respected (with the exception of the bottom out of pool worry).

StarlightOverJuicy · 14/06/2012 11:08

So I suppose it wasn't really her 'mistake', - just a context specific situation, and god forbid what she was guarding against did actually happen.

BenedictsCumberbitch · 14/06/2012 11:23

I Think if left to it women's bodies are very clever indeed and almost always know 'what to do'. Sometimes that is as you say, moving your legs or changing position, other times it is refusing to labour 'failure to progress' (bloody awful phrase) if there is a malposition that would not deliver vaginally (brow presentation etc) or labouring quickly (women with cardiac defects I find always labour quickly as if their body knows the heart couldn't stand a prolonged labour, as do hypertensives, I don't know how many times i've caught a typical 'blood pressure' baby that has come flying out after a 2 hour labour!).

I realise that whatever I say as a midwife on here is open to criticism so I'm sure the above will be too! I'm first and foremost a person though with opinions formed by my experience not only as a midwife but as a childbearing woman and as such I get it wrong sometimes, like everyone does. Midwives aren't paragons of virtue, they're just people like everyone else who are mostly trying to do their job the best way they know, walking the line between keeping their clients and their boss happy, making the odd mistake and hoping that their best is good enough for whoever they meet that day.

elizaregina · 14/06/2012 12:55

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jul/11/nhs.health1

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 14/06/2012 13:06

Eliza there are three really important sections in that article.

This is the first.
Inevitably this difference in experience manifests itself in an ongoing debate on how best to manage childbirth. Midwife groups advocate normal delivery and "natural" births while obstetricians tend to see medical intervention as a benefit rather than a bane. Yesterday, the healthcare commission published a report highlighting several key problems in Britain's maternity services, one of which was an inherent tension between midwives and doctors on maternity wards. Caught up in the middle are the mothers.

This is the second.
A recent study also found a huge polarity between pregnant women's expectations of birth and the reality. Expectant mothers need not be frightened by rare, unlikely risks, but they should be given realistic information about the pain and unpredictability of childbirth.

Instead there exists a misguided, competitive birth culture; where "lucky" or natural "birthers" are praised for their success, while mothers who "succumb" to medical intervention openly admit they've "failed". Elective caesarean births are so low on the league table they can barely be mentioned without fear of acrimony.

This is the third.
Natural or not, she says, the "major, major concern" of obstetricians and medics is delivering mothers and babies safely, without judgment and by whichever means. Everything else is secondary - luxurious thinking afforded by the medical advances women are now encouraged to shun. After all, "why do we have children?" asks Sher. "It's not for our own gratification, for our childbirth experience, it's because we want to have a child."

The rest of it is interesting and important... but I think the other bits in the article tend to overshadow the above.

trafficwarden · 14/06/2012 14:04

elizaregina If you look back you will see that I have said quite clearly that I am more than happy to support women who have made the decision to have an elective LUSCS. So this MW has said that for some women an elective is the way to go !
As an old fashioned trained MW (3 years general nurse training, 2 years as a staff nurse, 18 months MW training) I am probably considered a bit of a dinosaur. After more than 20 years I know fine well that there is always something more I can learn, from women, colleagues, research, study, life.......BUT one of the most infuriating things I read is when Midwives are lumped together as being all the same with this pro natural at all costs agenda. I have never had this opinion and very few of the people I have worked with are this way either. I don't deny they exist but I resent being categorized as one. I am horrified when I read about the awful experiences so many women have. I just feel it is so unhelpful to place the blame at the feet of "Midwives" in general, rather than the individuals who were involved. I am aware that it is sometimes a figure of speech but when discussions are as passionate as this one I find it disheartening that my personal professionalism is brought into disrepute.

MissRiri · 14/06/2012 14:10

TrafficWarden Couldn't have said it better myself. Thankyou.

Ariel24 · 14/06/2012 14:39

Traffic warden and MissRiri just wanted to say I think it is definitely unfair for all midwives to be categorised as one. I can only go by what has happened to me, and my midwife was fantastic. She was the first person to diagnose my tokophobia at my booking app. Late last year before I was pregnant, I went to see my gp about my fears and phobias of childbirth. He was very dismissive and almost shouted at me when I cried. Honestly, I wasn't rude or melodramatic or anything, just unhappy and wanting advice! I was trying to get help before eve getting pregnant! Luckily I now live in a different part of the country and am registered at really nice surgery now. So after my experience with the gp, I was terrified before my booking app. But she was fantastic and referred me to a consultant as she knew I wanted ELCS. She even called me a couple of days after my consultant app and when i told her he'd agreed to the ELCS, she seemed genuinely pleased that I was getting what I needed and at every app with her has been reassuring and supportive.

So would just like to say there really are angels amongst you! And the bad ones let you down as much as the women they are caring for.

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