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nickelbabe is resigned to never giving birth

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nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:02

there.
part 2 of the "not-live-birth-thread"

How come I can conceive and carry through a pregnancy but I can't finish one?
Confused

No posting until the original thread has ended.
first thread

I am now officially 40+10.

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TheOriginalFAB · 08/12/2011 20:52

It feels like Nickel has been gone a long time. I hope all is okay.

EdlessAllenPoe · 08/12/2011 20:55

sending good vibes as i need to go to bed. :)

ConfessionsOfATinselFanjo · 08/12/2011 20:56

Thinking of you Nickel. Hope you have a good night, whether little one appears tonight or not.

CatPussRoastingByAnOpenFire · 08/12/2011 21:07

HAvent ANY of you had those babies yet!!??

JKSLtd · 08/12/2011 21:13

Probably bored out of her mind sat around waiting to be monitored.

Hopefully she'll pop on here later to reassure us ISBN is still firmly staying put.

Meanwhile I'm off to bed. Night & good luck for middle of the night ctx :)

MrsSnaplegs · 08/12/2011 21:18

Fingers crossed for nickel and isbn, this time last year I was staying at home as long as I could before I went to the hospital! BreatheGrin

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 08/12/2011 21:29

I hope she isn't too late getting home... that'll be one grumpy bookshop owner tomorrow if she is!!

Sparklingbaubles · 08/12/2011 22:02

Hope you are ok Nickel.

MrsChristmasDB · 08/12/2011 22:05

Just realised you haven't posted for a while, nickel.

Thinking of you, DH and ISBN. Hope all is well.

I do hope they haven't sprung on her that she is being kept in. She will be Very Cross, I would imagine.

TheOriginalFAB · 08/12/2011 22:07

I am off to bed soon too.

Hope you and baby are okay nickel. I will check in on you in the morning.

first thing I think of which is a touch stalkerish

youtalkintomeunderthemiseltoe · 08/12/2011 22:12

Thanks pooka feeling deflated now but will hopefully wake up chirpier in the morning.

Hope all is well Nickel, you have been gone a long time.

Flisspaps · 08/12/2011 22:15

ChristmasDB can't see her agreeing to staying in unless something is up Sad Hopefully all is well

FAB me too!

nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 22:18

We're back.

We set off to the hospital and straight into the monitoring room, was hooked up to the monitor by 6:50.
7:25 monitoring finished: everything was fine according to the notes.
I had to press a little button (that looked like the morphine button Grin )whenever there was a kick or movement. With Isbn the movement is usually a big fat arse moving across the front of my belly Grin
I was quite amused to see that every time it exerted itself the heartbeat went up. Good stuff.
then a woman rang about me, apparently I'm infamous. Wink
and the MW asked me to stay until the supervising MW came on duty (15 mins or so) sothat she could have the "discussion" that they were going to do tomorrow.
Anywey, the discussion with this S MW went very well, she was lovely, and explained all the options and why they recommend this that and the other and explained the risks of leaving it too long.
I asked about the possibility of using The Birth Place because of it being down the corridor, even if i had the induction (which I will decide at 42w, ie Saturday) and explained that I was worried about the birth becoming too medical etc, so she showed us the room that had the birth pool in it, and the CD player and the fact that it was actually quite as comfortable as they can make it (without being as lovely as The Birth Place).
There's only one room that's lovely with the pool, but she said that there are also 2 baths, and that they do recommend using water as pain relief etc.
the other labour rooms did look very clinical, but not as much as I ad worried about, they had the trolley beds etc in them, but still had the CD player, and she explained that i wouldn't have to be hooked up to a monitor or forced to stay on the bed...
I'm readign a bit from my notes now.
"andrea is reluctant to have IOL because she doesnot weant medical interference and sheis worried that once she is induced it might become a spiral of interventions that could result in a c-section.
we discussed the pathweay of an IOL.

  • propess (the pessary thing) - if successful no need for further intervention
  • ARM - if leads to labour no need for further intervention
  • synotocin: in which she would need continuous monitoring. and IV in situ."

then it says that I want to wait till 40+14 ,and that all options were explained that they can't do anything without my consent.
that i declined a membrane sweep
and then that i'm going in tomorrow for another CTG and a scan to check flow to the baby via the umbilical cord.
that i don't want to give a date that i'll agree to IOL

then it says that they asked the Doctor on the shift to come and talk to me.

foolish me thought that meant a doctor would come along and basically repeat all the stuff I've been told.
Grin
what actually happened was this doctor came along who had absolutely no people skills and started "telling me off" like a headteacher to a child.
seriously, she really quite got my back up!
she was very melodramatic, saying that if i don't allow intervention after this stage that my baby might die, and (repeated about 6 times) that I would have to live with myself if something went wrong or live with the consequences f the baby dies because after 40+12, everything stops working and there's a huge risk etc etc etc.
(she was practically hysterical)
Anyway, I said that I was quite happy going until 42 weeks and then go from there (because I had originally said i wanted to see what happened each day) You'd think I'd said I was going to wait 3 years!
she kept going on about the fact that the monitors only give a snapshot and that doesn't mean that the baby is fine now, or that it could die any moment, or the heart stop etc.
I was kind of laughing a bit when she was doing this because it was soooo extreme and made me feel very uneasy, so she asked me what i was finding so funny, so i told her it was her attitude - that she was being very extreme and the thing about the headteacher.
she then went on to say that she was only putting it in black and white and that she had to tell me all the information. I told her that I didn't think she needed to be quite so harsh about it.

anyway, upshot of the whole thing - (and conclusion!)
Dot (the supervising MW) made me feel comfortable about the idea of having an induction, and made me feel that I could still havea positive birth and not necessarily have the interventions I'm dreading, (the only thing I'm still worried about is the fact that while you wait for the pessary thing to work you are on the labour ward and DH wouldn't be allowed to be there - he's allowed when Labour starts (hopefully within 24 hours is the theory), but I would be on my own until something happens. - that's non-movable)
and the other doctor came very close to making me say "fuck it, i'm not doing that, you're leading me to worry about intervention and medicalised birth again"
thankfully, I am able to see that the doctor is just crap with people, and that I am going to ignore what she said/how she said it so that I can concentrate on the positiveness that Dot gave me.

I will see Dot again on Saturday (if the body doesn't reject Isbn before then!!)
so that'll be positive. I did tell her how I felt about the way the Doctor spoke to me, and expressed that it had made more concerns in my head about interventions.

we got out of there at about 8:50ish.

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nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 22:19

acutally, jsut read the notes the doctor put
"apologies made to couple for negative consultation in terms of possible risks - respectful of patient's wishes"
Grin

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nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 22:21

no, it was closer to 9o'clock when we got out

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Flisspaps · 08/12/2011 22:26

Glad all's well. Well done for standing your ground with the doctor and for telling her what you thought of her Grin, I bet she's not bloody used to that, and has forgotten she is dealing with adults who can make informed decisions and hooray for Dot Smile

At least now it's all in writing as well Smile

FunnysInTheGarden · 08/12/2011 22:26

Personally I couldn't wait to be induced, and while I respect anyone else's wish to do otherwise, I can't pretend to understand it.

nickel don't put yourself under undue stress refusing an induction.There will be plenty of stress round the corner what with giving birth and having a newborn/breast feeding to contend with. Although this seems like the end, it's actually only the start. You will need all of your reserves to deal with what is to come.

I am wishing you a lovely HB, but don't fight them all the way

Thumbinnapuddingwitch · 08/12/2011 22:29

Glad you're back, nickel. Sorry you had such a horrible experience with the doctor - there are nicer ways to warn you of the pitfalls!
You can have more than one pessary, btw - I had 3. One on the Sunday night (I refused to go in before dinner, had dinner at home, went in about 8:30pm, had pessary about half an hour later, then went to bed - so it wasn't too awful that DH had to go home). Next pessary in the morning, then another about 3pm - had a couple of ferrets around (they wanted to do a sweep but I wasn't dilated enough - only got to 2cm on maternity ward!). When I forced them to take my up to the Labour ward, they checked again and I was back to 1cm dilated (WTF!!) so they said they'd leave me for another 4h and if I hadn't progressed by then, they'd start the syntocin drip. I never got that far - DS was born 2h later. Xmas Grin So that was 1cm --> fully dilated in less than 2h (apparently not uncommon in induction).
The anaesthetist warned me that if I had an epidural there would be a higher risk of more medical intervention being required - so I didn't have one. I have also heard that the syntocin may increase the need for intervention - but you can put that off as long as possible (within the bounds of safety of course) and I never got around to needing it.

I hope that doctor is not around if you do have to go in, that's for sure!

FX that ISBN gets the message and decides to come out beforehand. :)

ShirleyKnot · 08/12/2011 22:30

Bloody HELL nickel. What a bloody awful thing Shock (but not really Shock IYKWIM)

I was induced with DS1 - due to being 10 days overdue and a rise in my blood pressure (pretty much caused by everyone being well over the top and scaring the shit out of me) and while the birth ended up being quite interventional it was all fine in the end and DS1 is a hefty pain in my arse 14 year old.

I know that someone has mentioned it before, but with DS2 I popped some oil of evening primrose capsules (the gel ones) in my mimsy and started labour the next day. It's worth a try and can't hurt. Google it.

youtalkintomeunderthemiseltoe · 08/12/2011 22:30

Oh glad your back, it does make them very twitchy and the whole thing really does depend on who is on duty. I think the main thing is that you are aware of the risks and that you're making an informed choice and remaining in control which by the sounds of things you've done a good job of, when dr's talk to me like that when i'm pregnant it just tends to make me cry.

Induction really isn't the end of the world so long as you are involved in the whole decision making process and feel in control

CarolCervix · 08/12/2011 22:31

so overall quite positive then.

MrsChristmasDB · 08/12/2011 22:32

So glad all is well, nickel.

Well Done too for sticking to what you want.

I wish you all the luck in the world, you know that anyway !

Thank goodness for Dot. Xmas Smile

schobe · 08/12/2011 22:33

Sorry but doctor is just keen to save babies' lives. If I'd been her I'd have been Shock at you laughing at what I was saying.

I'm quite Shock tbh.

Figgyrollsintoapudding · 08/12/2011 22:33

Wish you had had my dr, she was the loveliest lady ever called laila and she wouldn't put words in my mouth - asked if I should try for vbac or book in a cs and she wouldn't advise me either way saying it was totally my choice and she would back me 100% regardless. I loved her. She was super duper. Actually had best care from Maidstone hospital than I did from St G's Tooting, because I had a regular MW and Consultant and wasn't bounced between people so never had to have the constant repetitive conversations I had first time round!

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 08/12/2011 22:35

Xmas Grin @ mimsy

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