your child freedom formula - has anyone tried it?

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ive seen adverts for this on fb. they claim to be able to cure anxiety in young people. im suspicious - and nowhere does it tell you the cost. however im fairly desperate since my 16 year old is very disabled by anxiety. thanks

Hi mumofteens, that's good it's been helpful. I think quite a few people on this thread have expressed that they can see what could be really great about the YCFF program (high level of support, peer support etc etc) and that they feel for those families who have already signed up and handed over money.

If support is taken away from those families already with YCFF then that's on the company, not on anyone who has posted on this thread.

Mum I cannot believe the change in me and even with my reluctant son, I am seeing strides being made.

Do you care to expand at all in what you've changed and the impact it has had?

My biggest concern with YCFF from the outside has been the lack of transparency, the sales techniques and the very high upfront price. I still haven't understood whether the product/technique/formula itself works well or not and what it involves as users haven't really been able to explain.

What I do feel though is that if the business is all above board and squeaky clean as you would want an organisation dealing with teen mental health to be, then there would be nothing for anyone's investigations to find, and no need to move/hide websites etc.

It dismays me to read of all the places you have reported YCFF to! What on Earth do you think ripping that support away (potentially, with your actions!) from Families on this course will do to us and our children?! It would not be us ripping it away. Anyone is perfectly entitled to report anyone anywhere. Any honest practitioner would welcome scrutiny.

Interestingly, Anxiety Free You is still claiming to cure anxiety. Guaranteed. She also had a business called Shed Anxiety. Not sure why all the business name changes. But it seems a bit like when second hand car places change their name all the time to avoid bad reviews/scrutiny. And not so long ago they were advertising for coaches saying you didn’t need any experience but could make £40k per year.

@MumOf2Teens2020 This is amazing, we are doing really well also, glad someone else knows what I am talking about on here. I have been very busy myself the last couple of days. And it’s been nice to not think about this awful thread.

Swan shaped- Some of the best companies in the world have changed their names. Doesn’t mean they can’t except scrutiny.

Here are a couple of examples of companies that have changed their names you might be interested you might not I don’t really care:

Was AMAZIN’ SOFTWARE is now EA GAMES.

Was PETE’S SUPER SUBMARINES is now SUBWAY.

Was MATCHBOX is now TINDER.
Here is an example of logos that have changed:

Microsoft Office: Head of Microsoft Office design, Jon Friedman explained the thinking behind the redesigns. ...
Slack: ...
Vrbo: ...
Domino's Pizza: ...
IHOP: ...
Youtube: ...
Absolut: ...
Instagram:

So all I am going to say is the fact that some of us that have chosen to use YCFF are extremely happy, with not only the support but the wholesomeness of everybody there. In fact you mums going down a path of total destruction of the company when it Clearly states that it works and has hard evidence, and not to mention mums on here telling you! Then to have that then taken away for no relevant reason but for the simple matter of that either you are very depressed yourself and seek help, or want to stop others from receiving help. I don’t know which one it is but I do hope you find the right help for you.

Can you ask Sam why YCFF website has gone offline?

@SwanShaped
Why would I even consider being apart of this total self destructive path you seem to be heading on? When you have been nothing but cruel. I remember the best way to help my depression at the time was definitely books books and more books.

Jungle I'm trying to figure out what your last post means about books and depression. I actually don't understand what you're saying. Is the depression something to do with YCFF?

Established companies change name due to re-branding/mergers & acquisitions etc.
I don’t think this is quite the same thing!

Nice try though.

Swanshaped The anxiety free you site has not been updated for some time; it seems it was usurped by the YCFF site which is now offline. I’m keeping my eyes on it to see if the content is updated.

@MumOf2Teens2020 - I’m skeptical you’ve been through ‘CAMS’ as that is an incorrect acronym for starters...

As I’ve explicitly said - I’m sorry for anyone who is struggling with their teens and anxiety. However I don’t believe YCFF is acting in the best interests of all its clients and it is potentially very damaging! I’m assuming they’ve gone underground but I wonder if they’re still offering sessions (as paid for!)??

Oh here we go again…. Still haven’t learnt then and jumped back on as soon as you saw me pop up. Well I’m not staying for long, I just thought I would congratulate @MumOf2Teens2020 on doing well, as I actually do care and you guys don’t because you haven’t said one nice thing!

@Mibb2 Nope nothing to do with YFCC, I just see the way these post are delivered it’s full of hatred and bitterness.

@DoubleTweenQueen I’m not being patronised by someone who hides behind a keyboard. Thanks though.

jungle sorry what do you mean. What does your depression being helped by books have to do with posts being filled with hate and bitterness?

@GoodButNaughty

Just a quick one for you…. In answer to your quite lengthy paragraph which for one I didn’t read, only the end but about compassion. Which you clearly have non of, or you would of actually had something nice to say then. I thought you were going to actually say something nice then, how is it damaging when we are going through it and telling you it’s not ? You haven’t even been on the programme so wtf is that about.

Are you @Mibb or @Mibb2 not really sure anymore? Well if I was depressed I would have pent up hate as well, luckily I’m over that now. However if you read back through this thread it’s all bitterness. Apart from the people who are getting the help.

Oh they're both me jungle. I have notifications turned off though. Wow, that's a strange way to describe depression.

Oh, glad you're back jungle. Would you mind posting the clause in the contract which relates to the guarantee please? Thanks

Ah ok @GoodButNaughty I hadn’t clocked the timeline of which came first.

This whole thread makes me sad. Firstly for all the parents out there with children suffering. Secondly to anyone who thought YCFF could be helpful and either lost money or have been upset by this thread. And finally, I have no idea about the background of Sam and Martin. Maybe they really do believe in it? Or maybe they’ve got sucked in, lost a load of money (latest accounts don’t look too healthy) and are trying to recoup the money. Having said that, there is no way I would ever go down the anxiety coaching route regardless of my financial circumstances because I don’t think it is ethical.

@Mibb @Mibb2 Oh I get it now. Weren't you the one accusing people of using fake or 2 profiles?

@Psuedoshoes Thought I would jump in to support someone else going through the same as me because I knew they would get torn apart, and I am a deeply caring person. Nope as I stated to swan I’m not in anyway involving myself with this whatsoever.

I disagree, it's not bitterness. It's concern about public sharing of children's sensitive information and identities, and the use of a high ticket coaching business model for a company offering support for child anxiety.
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No I never accused anyone of using fake or two profiles.

@SwanShaped Don’t feel sorry for us, we are the ones getting the most beneficial help and having our DDs happy again. I feel sorry for you, who thinks that people would be so cruel and pray upon children, and have such little trust in anyone other than your circle of mumsnetters, plus you have stated your verdict so why are you still commenting if you know this isn’t for you ?

But you are involved Jungle/YCFF. I’m not sure being depressed is the same as being full of hate. They’re two separate emotions. Can you also explain what you mean about books and depression?

That's a shame as it would really have given some credibility to them I wonder why somebody who supported them so avidly even before signing up would hesitate to do that?

swan I think Jungle is trying to imply that you are suffering from depression and therefore full of pent up hate. I'm sorry, that's a horrible thing for someone to say on a few levels, especially on a thread where it's likely that some people will be suffering, given what many of us have been through.

Yeah, it does seem a shame that you are so happy with YCFF but also don’t want to try to help them build their reputation back up. Also, I work in safeguarding. Kind of. And so I am well aware that there are thousands and thousands of people out there who will pray on children. Whether or not Sam and Martin are doing that deliberately, or are just naïve, I don’t know. My guess is that they’re not bad people, but have got themselves in too deep.