your child freedom formula - has anyone tried it?

[lu9months]

ive seen adverts for this on fb. they claim to be able to cure anxiety in young people. im suspicious - and nowhere does it tell you the cost. however im fairly desperate since my 16 year old is very disabled by anxiety. thanks

And the kidsanxiety one. Seems just the same as YCFF. Vague website, no pricing and unrealistic cure timescales.

I think this thread should be in MN Classics, and/or a general guide to parents on MN added to warn of these sorts of marketing methods.

@SwanShaped. It's the same!

Jungle/Ada was super-defensive of YCFF before even signing up - see posts on 30th May. She then posted about passing the two week mark... less than two weeks after her "looking to sign up" posts

It really is the same. It’s so depressing. Good idea to nominate for classics.

I had to click off the highticket one. Couldn’t bear it.

Is OP still there? How are you getting on?

I'm seeing more of these htca-type popups now! Investing, careers coaching etc.......offering free webinars; gushing congratulatory & endorsing comments.
It's a very active industry :(
I thought I was distrustful/skeptical at this stage in my life, but that's shifted to a whole new level. I bet it's legal too....

Oh my goodness that disclaimer on highticket!! It says:

WHERE SPECIFIC INCOME FIGURES ARE USED, AND ATTRIBUTED TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR BUSINESS, THOSE PERSONS OR BUSINESSES HAVE EARNED THAT AMOUNT. THERE IS NO ASSURANCE YOU’LL DO AS WELL. IF YOU RELY UPON OUR FIGURES; YOU MUST ACCEPT THE RISK OF NOT DOING AS WELL. MONETARY AND INCOME RESULTS ARE BASED ON MANY FACTORS. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW WELL YOU WILL DO, AS WE DO NOT KNOW YOU, YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR WORK ETHIC, OR YOUR BUSINESS SKILLS OR PRACTICES. THEREFORE WE DO NOT GUARANTEE OR IMPLY THAT YOU WILL GET RICH, THAT YOU WILL DO AS WELL, OR MAKE ANY MONEY AT ALL. THERE IS NO ASSURANCE YOU’LL DO AS WELL. IF YOU RELY UPON OUR FIGURES; YOU MUST ACCEPT THE RISK OF NOT DOING AS WELL. YOU AGREE THAT OUR COMPANY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF YOUR BUSINESS DECISIONS RELATING TO ANY INFORMATION PRESENTED BY OUR COMPANY, OR OUR COMPANY PRODUCTS OR SERVICES.

I have never seen the word well or do well written so many times in one paragraph.

I reread nearly the whole thread again earlier and I thought the posts by EmmaMcabe seemed remarkably similar to Jungles posts. Regardless - I’m even more convinced all was not as it seemed.

I will post tomorrow if I have time to feedback the actions my therapist friend has taken and why I believe the site going down is due to her...

Night all (G+T in hand as it’s much needed this evening )

Ooh - finally, here’s a little gem for you from my (rather large research!) file:

note the date of 2019

www.redhotsigncompany.com/my-old-cardigan/

@GoodButNaughty, P I.

This thread has certainly moved on! Well done good and double you've both remained so calm and rational.

I've had pop ups for the kids anxiety site on Facebook too, I didn't connect the dots.....

Threads like this just leave me awestruck.

Nest of vipers rocks indeed. ❤️

There were a couple of posters at the beginning who got deleted because they were posting under two different names.

Red hot signs blog made me jump when I got to the bottom! I looked them up on companies house but seemed to be dissolved on there. Not sure why. Seems Sam is a woman of many trades!

I have been reading this thread with a lot of interest. I don't have any particular insight into this organisation, but I have a lot of knowledge of the slightly murky world of coaching.

The language used by the company (and the posters advocating its approach) absolutely reeks of the neuro-linguistic programming used by coaches to get clients. This is an unregulated world and while I kind of have no real problem with people signing up unhappy business people who presumably have the smarts they need to make an informed decision, preying on desperate parents is beyond the pale.

Some of the key principles:

• create scarcity (sign up now, join now, I only have limited places, have this week free because I so want you to benefit - but I need you to commit because otherwise I need to give the space to someone else)
• create guilt (are you ready to change your life? Don't your children deserve the best? Aren't you prepared to do the work? And from their own response to a review: your child's mentor (also a child) is beyond upset)
• create habits which create needs (three zooms a day, FFS)

That is a whirlwind tour of just some of the techniques coaches will use to get you to sign up.

Some things coaches are not allowed to do: counsel people OR TREAT MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS. They aren't therapists. I suspect this is why there is such a clear insistence that anxiety isn't a mental health issue, because they'd actually be in breach of their (already very flimsy) code of ethics if they were openly treating mental ill-health.

I don't blame anxious parents for doing everything they can to help their children.
Some children will improve through this process - that's the law of averages - and the peer support can and will be invaluable.

But if it looks like a scam and sounds like a scam, it's a scam.

Feel free to come at me with some manipulative posts though. I don't have a DC who needs help and I'm happy to take some of the heat for the other MNers here who do. But remember, I wrote the book on this. I mean, I literally wrote the book on this.

@GoodButNaughty

I for one would LOVE to see your qualifications Jungle... but your academic achievements are irrelevant when your EQ is below where it needs to be to see that the business practices the Robins are using are dangerous, damaging and pseudo-science.

I have a new piece of information to add:

On the YCFF page Sam mentions 'Mark and Lucy'. These are the people who run this company. These guys are another questionable company with very low morals who prey on desperate business owners and have all the reasons you can think of for their limited online presence (they explicitly refer to it!).

I understand from another amazing PM person that Sam and Martin did their 'training' with these guys, hence their pricing model and approach to weeding out clients who will 'see through' their questionable approaches.

highticketcoachingacademy.com/

Check it out - I think this only adds to discredit them even further.

Bloody hell. From the FAQs

Why can’t I find Lucy or any of you easily on social media?

If you desperately want to find me on facebook go to facebook.com/itsLucyJohnson or if you want to see what I used to look like when I had to “look like a guru” go to one of our other coaching programs websites fullybookedformula.com.

And from the blog there, on pricing strategy:

www.fullybookedformula.com/i-get-clients-off-payg/

I don’t know any health, fitness or wellbeing business – literally none – that has got outstanding results for their customers or clientele that does pay as you go. Because pay as you go just allows people to be lazy and take the easy road and take the easy option. So it doesn’t serve you and it certainly doesn’t serve your clientele.

“Be lazy” - sound familiar?

Honestly, I’m sure SR is a genuine survivor of anxiety who had a perfectly good small business face-to-face on word of mouth that used a variation of the Linden Method (controversial itself for various business reasons) but saw results in person for families. And now some internet marketing “gurus” have tried to scale and monetise it with absolutely no regard to what sort of business it is - one that centres on vulnerable teens - and offered no moral compass on that at all.

It’s shocking all round, really.

The pressure sell was my exact experience holdon! I'm just so glad I found this thread during a time where in my desperation, I'd had a call and was pondering signing up. I like to think I'm usually pretty savvy about these things, though parental desperation can do strange things! Hopefully this thread has saved many other desperate parents £5k!

How do you have particular knowledge holdon Your list of how they do it seems accurate.

@SwanShaped

How do you have particular knowledge holdon Your list of how they do it seems accurate.

@SwanShaped you'll forgive me if I keep it vague I hope, but essentially I'm a sales writer so I know the techniques, plus I've had a couple of brushes with the coaching industry. I think coaching can be fantastic for the right people in the right circumstances, don't get me wrong, but that is based on competent adults understanding the parameters and the coach acting ethically. That isn't this.

Pseudoshoes glad to hear it :)
Holdon Wow, that's interesting (and more than a bit terrifying)

Just a heads up everyone. They created a second Facebook page under a different name to trick new people into joining. It's called 'Kids Anxiety Disorder Solutions'.

It's very easy to tell who is who on this thread. It's sad that such a platform of genuine people can be infiltrated by scrupulous people who want to profit on innocent children. Reading and listening to the number of kids with anxiety, ADHD, OCD etc, one wonders what's going on? It's almost like we have a pandemic with parents struggling, schools failing, CAMHs overwhelmed and no meaningful solutions, LA SEN struggling to keep up or find suitable school provision. Home education is not a solution for all parents either. Can I just ask what else parents can do or are doing apart from therapy ofcourse which has been the focus here.