your child freedom formula - has anyone tried it?

[lu9months]

ive seen adverts for this on fb. they claim to be able to cure anxiety in young people. im suspicious - and nowhere does it tell you the cost. however im fairly desperate since my 16 year old is very disabled by anxiety. thanks

Personally, a few bad reviews on Trustpilot don't put me off a company. However the way a company answers bad reviews is a really good indicator of what sort of company they are. If I was going to spend a large amount of money on something I would want to trust that the company would be reasonable, caring and consistent and respectful in how they dealt with the bad, difficult times as well as the good. The YCFF replies on Trustpilot would make me run a mile. I'm sure I'm not the type family they are looking for though.

I refuse accept that I am stopping children receiving help they need, just by questioning and researching a company and talking about it on a Mumsnet thread.

@DenDebSam
How long has your DS been on the programme?
What kind of things have you changed? To what effect?

On the whole I think people aren't being negative, they are being skeptical of something that costs so much upfront, promises so much, but has so little transparency.

@DenDebSam

Are you also a new poster on mumsnet who joined to post on this thread?

I'd be interested to know what has your £5k given you? Hopefully you can be a bit more specific and a bit less vague then other posters who have defended the programme......

You just need to put your trust in them.

And about £5,000.

Have you been recruited - you give nothing away as do YCFF. I recieve Sam's videos most days. They have little substance about what it is all about and are waffle. Whats the big secret?

I’m trying to find out who the Data Controller is for YCFF; does anyone know? I’ve done lots of research on the company, directors, history and setup and have a large file of information but still no data controller. I’ve asked YCFF direct but - surprise surprise- no one ever responds. For context I’ve been approached by a friend who got scammed by this company and we want to lodge as many complaints against them as we can for their dangerous practices. One of these is with the ICO as I don’t think they’re registered. Thanks for any information.

I am looking to sign up to YCFF, my child suffers with very bad anxiety, and is wanting to commit suicide, I have hit the point where I have no hope and this seems like a beacon of hope, they have testimonials from children who have been through it! You can’t get much better than hard evidence ? As a mum myself I am absolutely shocked and appalled at the behaviour on this site ? Where is your compassion, if you haven’t tried it how can you say it’s a scam, doesn’t look like one to me ? I also own a gym and we see bullying every day, this is next to that ? Reporting them for dangerous practice? They are helping our children, maybe you should be looking at people who are actually trying to cause your children harm ? Your comments may have really upset people! And may have cost innocent lives as they are trying to help. I’m certainly going to give it a go. There is no useful information here! Personally I went off of the reviews and my own opinion! Thanks Ada

Jungle There is no useful information here!

I think that is rather the point.

Posters here are skeptical given the lack of upfront transparency. it might be wonderful, but there really is no transparency.

Yet when customers of YCFF come on, they still seem to fail to provide any information on this wonder treatment that is so effective and costs £5k up front. You might think people would be able to at least explain a bit more about the treatment they are so avidly expounding.

You are of course welcome to make up your own mind. Please come back and tell us about the treatment if you do decide to go for it.

(ps If you own a gym and see bullying every day, why aren't you as owners doing something about it?)

I gave talking therapy ago I have spent Almost 6,000 on treatments that don’t work ? I am only going off of the basis of what I have read? As the owner of the gym my gain is to get confidence back in those who have lost it, it’s the same principle, I really don’t understand why you have to be so cruel and then start coming to me about my gym ? Every body has to start somewhere! I certainly will be sticking up for YCFF! If I was to tell you about a car that I liked you then wouldn’t start saying to me it’s a scam? I am a good human being and trying to be a good mum.

@JungleMum40

I am looking to sign up to YCFF, my child suffers with very bad anxiety, and is wanting to commit suicide, I have hit the point where I have no hope and this seems like a beacon of hope, they have testimonials from children who have been through it! You can’t get much better than hard evidence ? As a mum myself I am absolutely shocked and appalled at the behaviour on this site ? Where is your compassion, if you haven’t tried it how can you say it’s a scam, doesn’t look like one to me ? I also own a gym and we see bullying every day, this is next to that ? Reporting them for dangerous practice? They are helping our children, maybe you should be looking at people who are actually trying to cause your children harm ? Your comments may have really upset people! And may have cost innocent lives as they are trying to help. I’m certainly going to give it a go. There is no useful information here! Personally I went off of the reviews and my own opinion! Thanks Ada

You're shocked and appalled at what?!! Parents of children with genuine anxiety issues questioning a scheme which costs an exorbitant amount, with very little specific details as to how the process actually works, no evidence based practice of any kind and the underlying inference that if you don't find the money for this vague programme you are a bad parent.

Oh and welcome, it's your first post too I believe?

Judge

I also own a gym and we see bullying every day
Maybe you meant to say something like 'Every day I see people who have been bullied because of their weight'? On the face of it your statement read as if you see bullying every day at your gym (because that is what you wrote).

I do get where you are with spending money on treatments. But certainly with the places we have accessed we pay on a per session basis, with the ability to stop at any point. You have spent almost £6k on treatments that don't work. People here are just concerned that you and others might be being persuaded in your desperation to spend nearly that much again up front on a treatment that seems somewhat lacking in visibility.

When buying a car you see what is in front of you. You can check the history of a car online. You can get a trusted mechanic to give it the once over. If buying from a garage it will come with a guarantee. Spending £5k on therapy upfront is nothing like buying a car. (Unless buying off a photo off ebay and choosing to do a bank transfer before seeing the car in person.)

No one here is being cruel. Most of us have children with MH problems (as otherwise we wouldn't be on this thread on this board). But our desperate desire to help our children doesn't mean we have to just accept what an organisation claims without any visibility.

Even the reviewers on trustpilot to a group don't seem to want to let slip anything much at all about the treatment.

I thought I had explained what the process was but maybe not. Also I didn’t want to write a 3 page essay. Firstly it is reassuring the child about the physical symptoms of an anxiety disorder and educating them on what’s going on inside their bodies. Knowledge is power. Alongside developing a relationship with a supportive mentor. Secondly teaching them how to manage stressful situations once they have become calmer by working through steps. Thirdly identifying and removing unhealthy habits and behaviours that have been a result of having raging adrenaline 24/7. The only thing I can say is some of the people who think we are being foolish to have signed up and they saw through it and walked away have still potentially got a child with an anxiety disorder. My child is getting better by the day.

Funnily enough dh and I are in the process of buying a new (used) car currently. Our budget is less at £3k however we have spent weeks shopping around, examining specs and details, taking for test runs, having a trusted friend who is also a mechanic check the car before we buy. As pp outlined, your example is nothing at all like buying a car

I don’t quite think you understand! I was hoping to gain some sort of understanding of why mums similar to me are being cruel saying it’s a scam etc... I would be a bad mum for not giving everything a go if it meant having my child for the rest of my life. It’s a very hurtful subject and for me it’s been terrible. I understand where you are coming from and again relating it back to the gym if you don’t do it you won’t see the results, I’m not going to post irrelevant comments I don’t want my child to have to go through this anymore, I get you may feel like that, I have been on the website for other things as well, for a new baby pram, as I am due in October! Spread the love ladies not hate, I’m going to try it for my own sanity and for my child as I don’t want my new born to have to go through the same, I know it’s heartbreaking but for me this looks worth the money.

@Noodle2571 I am going to only look forward now not backwards, I’m glad your child is getting better, my baby is my life so hearing this makes it worth the while.

@Noodle2571 You have certainly been the most clear person advocating the method so far. I'd certainly be interested in what you have learned under Secondly teaching them how to manage stressful situations once they have become calmer by working through steps.

I guess I have trouble getting over
a) them asking for so much upfront
b) wondering why reviewers are generally so lacking in detail
c) wanting to hear whether progress is really sustained past the first few weeks.

Testimonials on a website is not hard evidence of anything.
The person running the scheme does not appear to be qualified.
If my child got to the stage of threatening suicide, that would be a crisis and they would be triaged through camhs pretty quickly, with access to proper psychiatric support. I would not be putting her in the hands of unqualified people who use unrecognised practices.
I am a scientist of 20+ yrs, with two very wonderful and bright dds, both having MH issues at some point over the last four years, and I see nothing of merit in any retorts and accusations popping up here.

@Noodle2571 The 'methid' you describe is exactly what I did with my younger DD, successfully. Didn't cost me anything.

Such ideas are quite fundamental and I personally think it's disgusting to be basing a business on it.

As far as progress being suistained there are teenagers and families that are on the weekly Zooms who are post 1yr through the programme. That’s really useful to chat to them about how it works later on when they don’t have continuous mentoring. The second phase is about getting them to identify the feeling as they begin to feel fear/anxiety growing and their adrenaline spikes. Identify it, remind themselves it isn’t dangerous/fearful, nothings going to happen and then distraction. Practicing this everyday until they feel they have more control over the surges.

If you managed to do that that’s great but many parents can’t as every family and child is different. Why is it disgusting to be offering something that to many families is life changing.

That's interesting Maria , maybe they are realising there is benefit in transparency. I really would love them to be a reputable organisation bringing about lasting benefits.

Next they need to sort out their advocates who call other people 'haters' as that is a well known MLM expression, and I'm sure they wouldn't want to be associated with MLMs which, whilst neither scams nor illegal, don't exactly have a great reputation.

@Noodle2571 A system or program that genuinely brought about the results you keep referring to should allow independent study and verification before being marketed. There is very poor regulation in this area - but a lot of people in need, so clearly a good target market which is growing.