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Physical restraint of 4 yo by two teachers

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agpennypacker · 07/11/2021 11:42

I’m looking for some advice regarding a deeply concerning series of events that have taken place since my 4.5 yo started reception class in September.

My daughter can be very shy, reserved and nervous in new situations, but once comfortable I would describe her as being very chatty and loves to play. She often likes to sit and observe other children before joining in with group activities.

Whilst at nursery, she developed a fear of PE and did not want to get changed into her kit, so would sit on the side and watch. She also had concerns over using the toilet with other children present, and it took her a long time to become comfortable going to the toilet with anyone other than her key carers.

When she started school, I received two phone calls home from her teacher within the first two weeks - she claimed my daughter would not talk to anyone, would ‘scream’ at her if she was asked to do something she didn’t want to do (e.g. tidying up) or would move in ‘slow motion’ when asked to do things like wave for the register.

This was really concerning for me, it did not sound like my daughter at all and it was certainly not how she behaved at nursery. She had never screamed at me in all her life, but she would cry.

When I relayed these concerns to her teacher, her response was she had contacted my daughter’s nursery and they had confirmed she behaved in the exact same way whilst in their care. As I can’t see what happens in the classroom, I had to trust her on this, but it confused me and I didn’t know how best to support my daughter because she never behaved that way with me.

As we go into term 2, my daughter has become more and more fearful of going to school in the morning. I have a battle to get her dressed, and once inside the gates she hides behind me and clings on tightly. I have observed her teacher being gentle with other children who are nervous to go in, getting down to their level, giving hugs or talking to them gently. This never happens with my daughter, she becomes very impatient with her and uses an angry tone when telling her to come inside.

The last straw for me was Thursday - I needed to gently push my daughter towards the door to try and get her over the threshold. At this point, her teacher grabbed her arm, pulled her through the door with force, and angrily said “come on in, Mummy is NOT coming in with you today”.

As I walked away, another Mum who I did not know caught up with me and asked if I was ok as she had witnessed how rough the teacher had been with my child.

At the end of the day, I was asked to wait behind until all the other parents had gone and given a report of the day. The conversation began with “I have lots of exciting things to tell you about today”. Her teacher first told me how my daughter did not want to get dressed for PE. This was the first day they were required to change into full kit, rather than just changing their shoes I later found out. This did not surprise me, my daughter often told me her worries about PE and I responded by telling her she would not be made to do anything she didn’t want to do. I had also informed her teacher of her fears over PE so expected them to approach the issue with care and compassion.

The teacher then informed me that because my daughter was not getting changed, she was given a 5 second warning or she would have to go and sit in the nursery class (with the younger children in the school’s nursery area). Of course my daughter did not want to go there (I imagine out of fear as it would be an alien environment to her) but she still did not want to get changed. So she was “positively placed” there for a ‘time out’. She had supposedly scratched and grabbed at her teacher in the lead up to this positive placement. This again surprised me as she has never scratched or grabbed at home, or anywhere else that I am aware of. It was completely out of character for her.

This part of the conversation was brushed over very quickly, I was not told anymore about what “positive placement” involves, and did not receive a download of how my daughter responded, how she was feeling or anything else that happened.

She then spent a long time telling me how her and my daughter had an “I’m sorry” cuddle, she took my daughter alone to have a hot chocolate with the year 6 class and she had been given a sticker chart to use as a reward to encourage good behaviour.

That day, when my daughter came home she completely wet herself and cried (she has only ever had small accidents and not the amount of this afternoon since potty training). She told me she hadn’t been to the toilet all day, and given the amount and severity of the wetting, this made sense to me.

The next day I decided to call the nursery on the advice of a friend and find out what information and comments they had passed on to the teacher. I had concerns over data privacy since I had not given my consent for her teacher to obtain this information, and also could not understand the claims she had made regarding my daughter’s behaviour.

It was confirmed to me that they had not had any conversations with my daughter’s teacher, nor any of the schools in the local area for that matter. At this point I became aware the teacher had told me quite a detailed lie regarding my daughter. With my trust in her broken, I then began to review all the events that have happened in this short time of my daughter starting school. She has developed selective mutism and has still not spoken at all to anyone in the school environment.

I requested a meeting with the head teacher to relay this information and my concerns. It was during this meeting that I discovered the shocking details of what “positive placement” involves. My daughter was restrained by two adults in order to be placed in the nursery class. And the cause of this? My daughter was too nervous to get changed into her PE kit.

I imagine the fear my daughter faced in being given a choice between getting dressed or going to the nursery class. Both choices would have been scary for her so of course she didn’t want to do either. I imagined the stress and anxiety she experienced in being restrained and physically moved against her will by TWO adults. She’s a little 4 year old girl. I’ve never needed two adults to restrain her at home and could not understand what she could have possibly done that was so bad she had her human rights violated in this way.

The investigation is ongoing, however I have no faith in the school dealing with this satisfactorily. The head seemed to condone the use of this “positive placement” on children so young and was more concerned with the issue of the teacher supposedly contacting the nursery to gain information on my daughter (which of course did not happen).

I wanted to ask for advice, at this stage I have taken my daughter out of school over concerns for her safety. I planned to speak with social services tomorrow as I feel a full investigation should take place into why this level of physical force was used on a 4 year old, and why this policy exists within the school. I feel it has been used against my daughter as a form of punishment and intimidation, and not used as a last resort because they have exhausted all other options. I’ve received phone calls home for less. If my daughter was being so disruptive, why was I not called? Why did my daughter receive a ‘reward’ of hot chocolate and sticker charts immediately after this event?

Naturally I am sick to my stomach thinking of what has been happening to my daughter since she started school, how she has gone from a slightly shy and sensitive girl to completely losing her voice and becoming fearful of the school I am sending her to every day. She has began wetting the bed which is out of the ordinary and her appetite is poor.

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MackenCheese · 07/11/2021 11:50

I agree with your approach, OP. You need to write to the chair of governors of the school and outline your concerns. You are right to be worried. The handling of the PE incident sounds extreme and the hot chocolate treat sounds like a cover-up. Keep your child out of the nursery until you get answers.

DiscoStusMoonboots · 07/11/2021 11:53

I very seldom say this but - move her. None of this is OK, OP.

GoodnightGrandma · 07/11/2021 11:53

Has anyone ever mentioned having any form of SEN type assessment ?
Did nursery ever mention it ?

GrandmasCat · 07/11/2021 11:58

I would move her.

Wormsarecool · 07/11/2021 12:06

I’m so sorry your poor daughter has gone through this. I agree with other posters, move her ASAP.

BiBabbles · 07/11/2021 12:07

What an awful situation for you and your daughter. I agree with MackenCheese that you've handled it well, you've a right to be worried and hold her off, and if applicable (I think it depends where you are in the UK), contact the chair of the governing board. The school should have a policy documents on their website or otherwise able to be available to you for the discipline policy, complaints procedures, and around physical restraint (this is sometimes in the discipline policy, sometimes a separate document) that may help you.

I also agree with others to strongly consider moving her, possibly after some time at home and support like assessments to help you have a clearer picture.

MackenCheese · 07/11/2021 12:07

I'd add: Move her AND have her assessed for SEN. I'm sorry she was put through that...

Suzi888 · 07/11/2021 12:11

I would raise hell. That does not sound right at all. I’m so sorry, I would move her too.

Pumpkinsonparade · 07/11/2021 12:15

Formal complaint of the teachers involved...
If the school is a trust you can do a form direct online.
Ime

ladygindiva · 07/11/2021 12:20

This sounds horrific. I would remove my child from the school immediately and be taking this to a higher authority.

trumpisagit · 07/11/2021 12:22

I am not sure you were right to tell your daughter "no one will make you do it if you don't want to"
That's not how school works, is it?
However it doesn't like a supportive environment.
Have you contacted the school's SENCO?

LostArcher · 07/11/2021 12:22

That is very bad. They are just little bodies. Your daughter sounds quite sensitive and possibly does need more support in school than you see at home. She obviously shows a degree of emotional disregulation which again, she isn't showing at home. This is a result of anxiety - that may stem from SEN or it could be how she is. Move schools and transition will need to be handled carefully, poss not moving her for a while.

icouldusesomehelphere · 07/11/2021 12:24

Awful! She's 4 FFS!
This is completely unacceptable way of managing a young child.
The alleged lie about contacting nursery needs to be dealt with too.
I would report to your Local Authority.
If there is allegation made against professional working with children, LADO (Local Authority Designated Officer) may investigate.
I would also report to OFSTED.
Ultimately your little girl may need a fresh start somewhere else.
I am so sorry she's experienced this.
Thanks

ViceLikeBlip · 07/11/2021 12:25

This is all horrendous. The most concrete piece of evidence is that the teacher lied very specifically about having spoken to the nursery.

Your options here depend on what your best case outcome is here. Is this one specific teacher that is the problem, or is it the culture at the school in general? If it's that one teacher, then you meet with the Head and you cause an almighty fuss, insist that this teacher is removed from your child, and then if necessary you escalate to governors.

If it's the whole culture at the school (likely, seeing as other staff have been complicit in this behaviour) then first and foremost pull your child from the school, get her into a new school (don't be too scared about sending her into a new school- if she was fine at nursery then she will be fine at a school with one ounce of compassion/empathy)

This has broken my heart a bit, I can't imagine how you must be feeling xx

Morph2lcfc · 07/11/2021 12:27

This also cries out Sen to me. We had similar back in year one when my child was behaving in school totally differently to how he would behave at home. Screaminfg, hitting out, it even got got the point where he was throwing furniture. The school thought I was in denial when I said he didn’t behave like that at home and likewise I don’t think I really appreciated at the time how bad things were in school. He was diagnosed with asd aged 6.

BurntTheFuckOut · 07/11/2021 12:29

Keep her off.

You can no longer trust a word the teacher says. She lied about speaking to Nursery, what else is she lying about?

Unless your child was physically endangering herself or others, they should never put a hand on her.

indecisivewoman81 · 07/11/2021 12:30

I actually felt sick reading this. I am disgusted on your behalf.

You were completely right to take your child out of school. I would be asking to see their behavioural policy.

The hot chocolate, stickers and "I'm sorry cuddle" sound very odd.

Your daughter sounds traumatised and I wouldn't let this go at all.

The outright lie the teacher told you is very very concerning. Maybe get a written statement from the nursery stating they did not speak to her class teacher.

Regardless of SEN this is not how children are treated. All behaviour is a symptom. We don't punish reluctance to try new things.

I work in a specialist behavioural unit and although we do have "positive handling" training it would never be used for something like this. This sort of removal is for extreme behavioural outbursts when a child is removed for their own safety and the safety of others and is taken to a safe place to call down and re group.

VaguelyInteresting · 07/11/2021 12:33

In your situation I would:

Move her
Perhaps consider an SEN assessment
Report to Board of Governers, LA and Ofsted
NOT get into a back and forth with the school personally
NOT be tempted to put stuff on social media/contact the local press etc

It sounds like a really serious series of failings on the part of the school, in any number of ways, and I’d be raising merry fell- but in such a way that no arse could accuse me of being “hysterical” or a “helicopter parent” or a “snowflake” (none of which I think you are but I would be SO “professional” in my approach, they would have no possible way to suggest I’m exaggerating or overplaying my hand).

Kendodd · 07/11/2021 12:33

One thing though, telling her she won't be made to do anything she doesn't want to. Children (and adults) have to do loads of things they don't want to. It's just life.

VaguelyInteresting · 07/11/2021 12:34

Oh yeah- that “I’m sorry” cuddle is possibly the most fucked concerning part.

I read that as the teacher realising they’ve fucked up and trying to manipulate/ emotionally blackmail your daughter into not letting the cat out of the bag.

Hideous.

lollipoprainbow · 07/11/2021 12:34

The hot chocolate and stickers thing sounds weird.

Greenmarmalade · 07/11/2021 12:42

Which country, op?

I’m so so sorry for both of you. Please take her out of school immediately. As she’s under 5, you should be able to get a childminder or nursery for now. Find a better school and get on the waiting list.

This is horrific. All of it. That teacher is not doing her job properly (I’m a teacher) at all.

TheFallenMadonna · 07/11/2021 12:44

Ask to see the record of the restraint.

FreddyMercurysCat · 07/11/2021 12:47

@TheFallenMadonna

Ask to see the record of the restraint.
This - there has to be a written record of physical restraint.

I'd be getting this to the LADO.

VaguelyInteresting · 07/11/2021 12:49

I do agree with @Kendodd

Also wouldn’t talk about “human rights”

Rightly or wrongly, it will come across poorly.