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Physical restraint of 4 yo by two teachers

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agpennypacker · 07/11/2021 11:42

I’m looking for some advice regarding a deeply concerning series of events that have taken place since my 4.5 yo started reception class in September.

My daughter can be very shy, reserved and nervous in new situations, but once comfortable I would describe her as being very chatty and loves to play. She often likes to sit and observe other children before joining in with group activities.

Whilst at nursery, she developed a fear of PE and did not want to get changed into her kit, so would sit on the side and watch. She also had concerns over using the toilet with other children present, and it took her a long time to become comfortable going to the toilet with anyone other than her key carers.

When she started school, I received two phone calls home from her teacher within the first two weeks - she claimed my daughter would not talk to anyone, would ‘scream’ at her if she was asked to do something she didn’t want to do (e.g. tidying up) or would move in ‘slow motion’ when asked to do things like wave for the register.

This was really concerning for me, it did not sound like my daughter at all and it was certainly not how she behaved at nursery. She had never screamed at me in all her life, but she would cry.

When I relayed these concerns to her teacher, her response was she had contacted my daughter’s nursery and they had confirmed she behaved in the exact same way whilst in their care. As I can’t see what happens in the classroom, I had to trust her on this, but it confused me and I didn’t know how best to support my daughter because she never behaved that way with me.

As we go into term 2, my daughter has become more and more fearful of going to school in the morning. I have a battle to get her dressed, and once inside the gates she hides behind me and clings on tightly. I have observed her teacher being gentle with other children who are nervous to go in, getting down to their level, giving hugs or talking to them gently. This never happens with my daughter, she becomes very impatient with her and uses an angry tone when telling her to come inside.

The last straw for me was Thursday - I needed to gently push my daughter towards the door to try and get her over the threshold. At this point, her teacher grabbed her arm, pulled her through the door with force, and angrily said “come on in, Mummy is NOT coming in with you today”.

As I walked away, another Mum who I did not know caught up with me and asked if I was ok as she had witnessed how rough the teacher had been with my child.

At the end of the day, I was asked to wait behind until all the other parents had gone and given a report of the day. The conversation began with “I have lots of exciting things to tell you about today”. Her teacher first told me how my daughter did not want to get dressed for PE. This was the first day they were required to change into full kit, rather than just changing their shoes I later found out. This did not surprise me, my daughter often told me her worries about PE and I responded by telling her she would not be made to do anything she didn’t want to do. I had also informed her teacher of her fears over PE so expected them to approach the issue with care and compassion.

The teacher then informed me that because my daughter was not getting changed, she was given a 5 second warning or she would have to go and sit in the nursery class (with the younger children in the school’s nursery area). Of course my daughter did not want to go there (I imagine out of fear as it would be an alien environment to her) but she still did not want to get changed. So she was “positively placed” there for a ‘time out’. She had supposedly scratched and grabbed at her teacher in the lead up to this positive placement. This again surprised me as she has never scratched or grabbed at home, or anywhere else that I am aware of. It was completely out of character for her.

This part of the conversation was brushed over very quickly, I was not told anymore about what “positive placement” involves, and did not receive a download of how my daughter responded, how she was feeling or anything else that happened.

She then spent a long time telling me how her and my daughter had an “I’m sorry” cuddle, she took my daughter alone to have a hot chocolate with the year 6 class and she had been given a sticker chart to use as a reward to encourage good behaviour.

That day, when my daughter came home she completely wet herself and cried (she has only ever had small accidents and not the amount of this afternoon since potty training). She told me she hadn’t been to the toilet all day, and given the amount and severity of the wetting, this made sense to me.

The next day I decided to call the nursery on the advice of a friend and find out what information and comments they had passed on to the teacher. I had concerns over data privacy since I had not given my consent for her teacher to obtain this information, and also could not understand the claims she had made regarding my daughter’s behaviour.

It was confirmed to me that they had not had any conversations with my daughter’s teacher, nor any of the schools in the local area for that matter. At this point I became aware the teacher had told me quite a detailed lie regarding my daughter. With my trust in her broken, I then began to review all the events that have happened in this short time of my daughter starting school. She has developed selective mutism and has still not spoken at all to anyone in the school environment.

I requested a meeting with the head teacher to relay this information and my concerns. It was during this meeting that I discovered the shocking details of what “positive placement” involves. My daughter was restrained by two adults in order to be placed in the nursery class. And the cause of this? My daughter was too nervous to get changed into her PE kit.

I imagine the fear my daughter faced in being given a choice between getting dressed or going to the nursery class. Both choices would have been scary for her so of course she didn’t want to do either. I imagined the stress and anxiety she experienced in being restrained and physically moved against her will by TWO adults. She’s a little 4 year old girl. I’ve never needed two adults to restrain her at home and could not understand what she could have possibly done that was so bad she had her human rights violated in this way.

The investigation is ongoing, however I have no faith in the school dealing with this satisfactorily. The head seemed to condone the use of this “positive placement” on children so young and was more concerned with the issue of the teacher supposedly contacting the nursery to gain information on my daughter (which of course did not happen).

I wanted to ask for advice, at this stage I have taken my daughter out of school over concerns for her safety. I planned to speak with social services tomorrow as I feel a full investigation should take place into why this level of physical force was used on a 4 year old, and why this policy exists within the school. I feel it has been used against my daughter as a form of punishment and intimidation, and not used as a last resort because they have exhausted all other options. I’ve received phone calls home for less. If my daughter was being so disruptive, why was I not called? Why did my daughter receive a ‘reward’ of hot chocolate and sticker charts immediately after this event?

Naturally I am sick to my stomach thinking of what has been happening to my daughter since she started school, how she has gone from a slightly shy and sensitive girl to completely losing her voice and becoming fearful of the school I am sending her to every day. She has began wetting the bed which is out of the ordinary and her appetite is poor.

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MangoIce · 08/11/2021 07:56

Lots of EYFS children (3-5years) have struggled at school due to lack of socialisation with other dc and lack of independence (parents do everything for them).

Does your Dd always dress/undress herself at home? Does she go to the toilet by herself? If you usually help, could you help develop her independence (and therefore confidence) by letting her do these without you being there? She might feel more comfortable doing these at school then.

However, I agree with pp that your Dd might have SEN as she struggles to adapt to a new environment.

DeedledeDee · 08/11/2021 08:11

Oh my goodness its abuse. I had similar experience with my daughter, move her. They are abusive.
She still remembers and she's 23 now
They used to sit on her. Their aggressive tactics made her worse.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 08/11/2021 08:47

TBF lots of this years intake-probably as a result of lockdowns and lack of provision-lack independence. Many cannot toilet themselves/get changed or even feed themselves. And most of them still parallel play as they are not used to playing with other children. It’s a steep learning curve that’s for sure.

thefourgp · 08/11/2021 09:05

Just a suggestion but my children wear PE clothes to school on the days they have PE so there’s no need to get changed. This saves a lot of hassle for the pupils and teachers. This might be best for your daughter when she goes back to school - whether that be this school or another one. Good luck OP. Sounds like an awful situation to find yourself in.

kirinm · 08/11/2021 22:35

I hope your DD is doing okay today OP

3WildOnes · 08/11/2021 22:46

This is so sad to read. You were completely right to remove her from the school. I would contact Ofsted and make a complaint too.

3WildOnes · 08/11/2021 22:50

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 I am trained in team teach but you would only use positive handling if a child was in danger of hurting someone else or hurting themselves. It is completely unacceptable to use to enforce a time out.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/11/2021 07:32

@3WildOnes that’s exactly what I posted if you read it. I never even mentioned a timeout-that is nothing to do with positive handling.

* Positive handling is used in schools countrywide. The use of two adults is to prevent injuries either side and if the part about your daughter scratching/kicking etc was true then was needed IMO-even though this situation shouldn’t have got to that.*

MerryMarigold · 10/11/2021 08:20

I work with 4yos and, whilst I wasn't there, it's highly likely any kicking, screaming, scratching would have started at the point she was being physically removed from P.E to the nursery. I can't see a 4yo kicking off otherwise.

3WildOnes · 10/11/2021 09:06

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 but they were using positive handling to enforce a time out.
I agree with @MerryMarigold that it is very unlikely that she was lashing out before they restrained her.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/11/2021 09:24

I’ve had 4 yr olds kick off before, especially when they have SEND or other issues going on. You’re lucky if you haven’t.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/11/2021 09:30

@3WildOnes that’s still not what I said either. I haven’t advocated time out at all in this situation. My clear point about positive handling was that it is used to prevent injuries in either side-which is why positive handling is used; it wasn’t to suggest and in fact I didn’t suggest that it was right to positive handle into a time out situation here. Please stop misrepresenting what I’ve said.

3WildOnes · 10/11/2021 10:19

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 I know you weren’t advocating using a time out. But in the OP it said that she refused to get changed for PE so they said she needed to go in to timeout she refused so they used positive handling. My point was that it is not at all appropriate to use in this situation. I have never had to use positive handling with a reception aged child despite working with some very challenging children. It is very frightening for children to be restrained and held by adults and should only be used as an absolute last resort, it is much more likely to escalate the situation.

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