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Breastfeeding till the age of 4 - what do you think?

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lisalisa · 20/07/2005 14:20

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hercules · 06/08/2005 19:03

It'll be breasts at dawn and I know wwb will want to come for that

RachD · 06/08/2005 19:11

Well I 'm sorry if it appeared snide.
I was VERY upset by peoples comments of silly, uninformed, slagging off, etc.
And I thought aboutdays.
I went on lots of other threads.

I saw WWB on the 4 week cring thing "cruel".
I saw WWB on the 'my brother cheated' when she said keep nose out,
and I thought to myself, that WWB was a very definite woman. With very definite ideas that she was not afraid to tell someone, very plainly how she felt.
Yet I still felt that she had really jumped on me.When my comments were directed at noone inparticular.

hercules · 06/08/2005 19:13

Rach, you're still doing it!

hunkermunker · 06/08/2005 19:16

RachD, WWB is one of the nicest posters on here. Funny, sweet and kind.

RachD · 06/08/2005 19:16

Yes, I'm sorry. No more personal digs. I have said that I was upset. End of story. Lets move on.

WigWamBam · 06/08/2005 19:20

Far from jumping on you, I actually said nothing at all about your comments, apart from to point out that they way you phrased them was making people think you were judgmental. You asked why people were upset - I told you why it seemed to me that they were upset. I didn't judge you, I didn't slag you off, I didn't even comment on the things you had said. I commented that the way you said them appeared to be having a go at people. And in return I get snide comments about what sort of person I appear to be based on a couple of threads that you've seen me on.

Fair enough - you don't like some of the things you've seen me post. That's up to you. But there were a lot of other people who said a lot worse things to you than I did, and I find your post attacking me quite astounding.

I still look forward to proving to you that I'm actually quite a nice person. Whether you chose to believe me is another matter.

WigWamBam · 06/08/2005 19:21

And now I'm leaving the thread because I'm quite upset at the implication of your post. I actually go out of my way to be nice to people and to help out where I can - you have seen a couple of posts where perhaps I've been a little less than sweet, but even then the posts were made with my heart in the right place.

This whole thing has left a very nasty taste in my mouth.

hunkermunker · 06/08/2005 19:23

WWB, I am very sure that this is an isolated opinion - I'm very fond of you if that helps at all?

hercules · 06/08/2005 19:26

No, wwb, dont feel like that. You know we love you (in a non sexual way before you get excited).

WigWamBam · 06/08/2005 19:41

Just don't wink at me, either of you, OK?

Rach, I didn't see your apology before I posted so it looks as if I'm ignoring it - which I'm not. I do appreciate it. And I still look forward to talking to you on other threads and proving to you that I'm actually quite nice really.

RachD · 06/08/2005 19:56

WWb
Thank you.

The end

No, no, I can't help myself...
Just so as you know, I meant definite as in a compliment - I hate wishy washy people.

WigWamBam · 06/08/2005 20:11

This is probably not the time to tell you that I'm actually just a big wimp then ...

RachD · 06/08/2005 20:17

No, I don't believe that !

hunkermunker · 06/08/2005 20:18

Oh, she is, Rach - should really be called WigWamWuss

WigWamWuss · 06/08/2005 20:41

See?

dropinthe · 06/08/2005 20:52

I love WWB-she really is great and I have always commended her advice on breastfeeding! She should know,she's done it so long! By the way WWB-I gave up recently -ds was 19 months and I was off on holiday so wanted to stop-so no more moaning from me-THANK HEAVENS!

WigWamBam · 06/08/2005 20:56

Oh wow ... thank you I wasn't fishing for compliments but thank you anyway.

19 months is a real achievement - well done for keeping it going!

ruty · 06/08/2005 21:33

i'm quite upset that altho i apologised [even tho I still don't agree with her comment about the dirty water thing] for hurting her feelings RachD has pointedly ignored my apology its seems. Oh well. I could give a long list of those i have taken offence at but i won't. Ridiculous thread the whole thing really. Let people do what they want and let them read the research if they want and that's the end of it i suppose.

RachD · 06/08/2005 21:43

No, no Ruty, I did not ignore your apology.
I'm sorry for not accepting it directly to you.

ruty · 06/08/2005 21:44

that's alright then! I was starting to feel left out..

hunkermunker · 06/08/2005 21:59

Shall I just post the WHO link again to round things off nicely?

Lizita · 07/08/2005 11:54

At the risk of people thinking, oh god here we go again, I want to post my twopenn?orth? I spent nearly the whole evening last night and until 2:30am last night reading this thread, and finished reading it this morning, which is why I just have to post my own thoughts, esp as there have been a few people who have posted having not read it and have come across as sounding very misinformed and ignorant! I am so sorry it?s so long, but I don?t want to post brief sentences that give people the wrong idea, plus I want to explain fully anyway.

I have found it fascinating and have learnt a hell of a lot. I would like to answer the statement somebody repeatedly made: ?I don?t understand why somebody would want to stop bf?. I felt the opposite way round by the time I was weaning dd!

Before I read the entire thread, I was of the ?it?s unnecessary? and ?it?s weird? group and have since learnt that I was wrong to be feeling like that. I don?t think I can even remember why I felt like that but I do want to try and explain, unlike some other posters on here! I guess the usual bugbears of ?they?re not a baby any more?, ?I?d feel weird feeding a child who could come up and ask in words?. One thing that hasn?t yet been mentioned and which bothers me a little is that a four year old might remember bf when he/she is an adult. If I had been bf at that age and remembered it now, I think it would disturb me a little, and if I was a man even more. I could be wrong ? perhaps it would have given me an even healthier attitude to the whole thing! You?ll want me to explain why?just the idea of a having a memory of sucking on my mum?s boobs weirds me out (sorry that doesn?t really explain why either!). I don?t think it has anything to do with feeling uncomfortable about sex, body image etc; I have had lots of training in one of my jobs around sexuality and attitudes to it etc, and my mum is very enlightened and open about the whole thing, so I think I have a healthier attitude than most to the subject. I also think perhaps it is something to do with my idea that a child needs to gradually become more independent from their mother as they get older, and for me personally 4 years old feels too old to still be dependent in that way.

This thread has also given me a lot of insight into why I weaned when I did, and why I might have been wrong to. DD was finally fully weaned at 14 months. I too had been informed, I forget where from, but somebody?s mention of the What to Expect books springs to mind ? they have been my bible ? that bf was of no benefit after 1 year old. I have a mother who was very supportive of bf and HVs were always very flattering when I was seeing them once dd reached a year. But after dd was a year old, when people said ?Well done! Not many people bf for that long?? I was actually feeling the opposite, that I was being weak finding it hard to wean her off it. At the time, I believed it was what I should be doing, and given the support I had around me for bf, I have no idea how that idea implanted itself so strongly in my mind, other than what you have all been talking about. I remember, either after dd was fully weaned or when she was only feeding morning and night, feeling very depressed and suddenly realizing one day that it was because I missed the afternoon bf/snoozes we used to have together and knowing instinctively that she missed it too, and now I am feeling a bit that I weaned her that early. NB I found it hard to wean her because of her hankering for it, not because I didn?t want to wean her myself.

However, I also acknowledge that for my own sanity I couldn?t have continued for much longer. I found it very draining and invasive. DD was a frequent feeder and always very, very clingy, and it was very hard to believe that would get easier before I cracked up, though I am very pleased to have been informed now of how different it is feeding a toddler. I am a lone mother and was concerned that dd shouldn?t be too dependent on me (I know, you?re probably thinking why shouldn?t she be, esp at this early age? I think the answer to that has to do with my own terror of the enormity of the responsibility I have towards her), and I (possibly incorrectly) felt that her clinginess and my frustration with it was fed into by the continued bf. I was also so, so happy once she was weaned because my relationship with her felt completely different, closer and more bonded, ironically. I was suddenly able to cuddle her without her hankering after the breast, I suddenly felt like she wanted me for me not for my breasts. I know this is my own problem or perception and is probably, again, incorrect (I?m sure many of you will be thinking, your breasts are you!) but that is how I felt. I had begun to resent being used as a milk machine and given that was how I felt, it probably was best I weaned her, because as many of you have said, as long as both mother and child are happy with bf, by all means continue! I wasn?t entirely happy? but I can also see now that perhaps another reason I wasn?t entirely happy was because of what had been knocked into me by today?s culture.
Plus I was able to hand her over to babysitters (mostly my parents) and have some time to myself/time alone with my boyf, which I very much needed and I believe dd needed too, tbh. She has flourished since being weaned, much more confident and independent and secure, and though of course I can?t say this is because of being weaned (more likely to be because of the very cosy first year we had together), it does feel like it sometimes. I can?t imagine we would have the relationship we have now if I was still bf?ing her. I know, I know, I?m sure we would! As an aside, she is still addicted to her cup of milk and the fact that she is indicates to me that had I not weaned her, she would still be bf?ing as often too ? and that I really could not have coped with for this long! That?s just me, how I feel?hats off to those of you who did cope/will cope.

Lizita · 07/08/2005 12:53

Writing all that down seems to have cleared my head. Suddenly it seems very clear that it was society that made me think kids should be weaned during their second year. The fact that the HVs said "well done for doing it this long!" actually contributed to that, making me feel like I ought to think about stopping.
This doesn't make my reasons for stopping any less valid, though.

Re soaps etc showing breastfeeding, I just thought of a Friends episode in Series 1 or 2 when Ross's ex breastfeeds her baby in front of everyone & Joey & Chandler freak out but Ross encourages them to chill out, and to ask her questions. Also they taste the breast milk - half of them freak out about it, the other half don't. How cool was that episode!

dropinthe · 07/08/2005 13:05

Well done Lizita for verbalising EXACTLY how I felt/feel! You are spot on girl!! Even my Dr was pressurising me into stopping and it was subtle hints all around that made me feel like I should stop.However,just like you-it was time for ME to stop-for my own good-I was extremeley sad as it was such a wonderful thing but I just felt that he needed that seperation for me to stop him being so clingy-he is now the most cuddly boy I have ever met-far much more than my first who I only fed for 4 monthsbut he is just as happy as when he did feed. He is a confident 18 month old who sometimes quizzicaly looks/feels my boobs and has a memory of doing it but never reaches for them.
Breast feeding is a completely individual thing that no one should interfere with!
It made my son and I VERY happy and I am very proud of myself for sticking it out for a year and a half!

Lizita · 07/08/2005 14:07

Thank you dropinthe. I have been reflecting some more and was starting to feel like I made the wrong decision to wean dd when i did. I am slightly resentful tbh about feeling like this, though I can't blame this thread, rather the advice I was given, however subtly, at the time. I think I really need to believe now that I KNEW at the time it was the right thing for me to do, for reasons other than pressure from society, similar to you. I am just now starting to feel pressure from the other direction...

Just a thought, if we were all encouraged to breastfeed for at least 2 years rather than 6 months, do you think there are mothers who wouldn't bother in the first place, or would give up early on? As someone said earlier, if someone had told her she would be breastfeeding a few years on, she would have broken down sobbing.

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