Breastfeeding till the age of 4 - what do you think?

[lisalisa]

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OMG! I just read some of the thread on the nannyjob link. I seriously, seriously cannot believe that woman. Not only has she said that anyone who disagreed with her [ie give her correct information] was drunk she was extrememyl rude and insulting. Its put me off nannies for life, even if i could afford one in the future. The arrogance! The ignorance! the vulgarity! Fuming.

Who is being immature and stupid, Lisa?

Perhaps the mothers don't hear what's being said behind their backs, Lisa, that's why they're employed.

why do so many peole find it necessary to throw insults at one another?????????

So-called mothers?

Are you suggesting that we aren't mothers?

I imagine that nannies are hired to provide babysitting/childminding services, rather than childrearing "advice".

Cronanny have you read the NJ thread? I think you'll find that nurseyJo is particularly good at rather snide insults.

I was pregnant, I gave birth, I fed my own baby as I wanted ... yep, I'm a mother.

Are you, Lisa?

lol at 'so-called mothers'

I am a nanny myself as my name suggests
but I am shocked at how unprofessional some of the nannies are being
why be so horrible to the mothers? Without the mothers we, wouldn't have a job!!!
Ok some of the mothers here made it clear how they feel about nannies, but to those mother all I can say - it's a good thing you don't have one....
I feel strongly about this, I don't think that being nasty and calling names is what all nannies do.
There are still some decent ones out there.
Just like there are still decent mothers out there

CroNanny, you are a breath of fresh air Truly!

Cronanny when you say there are still some decent mothers out there i really hope you are not excluding mothers who are contributing to this thread because that would really be unbelievable. I have to get off this thread. I have never experienced anything like this on Mumsnet. the correct information is out there for anyone with half a brain. And thats all there is to it.

I took that to mean there are still some decent nannies out there?????

ooops, silly me, just read the bottom line!!! Sorry.

I am not a mother but have been a nanny for 9 years looking after all age groups from newborn to 17 yr old.
I have looked after children with special needs and done sone physio and craniotherapy's.

I also know Jo on a persional level and happen to think she knows a lot of revelent information. She has been in her job for years advising new parents etc.

Why do parents employ us if they dont need help?, especially when they dont work.

I should be allowed to voice my opinion without getting jumped on!!!

I was really shocked by what I read on that nanny-board!

Ashamed really as all of my experience pre-motherhood is in early childhood education and I put myself through school working as a nanny. I would never speak about mothers in that manner. A mother knows her child best. In fact, I spent the first 3 weeks of our DS!'s life ringing up old employers and telling them how sorry I was for daring to offer them advice on issues that I knew NOTHING about.

No training in the world can prepare you for parenthood and the decisions that are involved.

Lisa, you still don't get it, do you?

Of course people can have different opinions.

But when people declare themselves to be professionals and announce stuff that is just incorrect, and refuse to be put right, then it doesn't matter how 'relevant' their advice is. If she is advising new parents, then she needs to be sure she is in touch with the correct info.

How can anyone disagree with this? It's got nothing to do with nannies and mothers and whether we need each other or not. If someone decides they need a nanny, though, they also need to have confidence the nanny will know what she is talking about.
Please don't tell me you disagree with that!

I have to say I was taken aback by the comments about mothers on that board, and by the lack of sensitivity to the mother-child relationship.

Lets hope the people who post there do not represent their profession.

What I meant was there are still good nannies and good mothers out there. I wasn't refering to this board specificaly.
I am sure there are lots and lots of great mothers on this board, just like good nannies on NJ.
But name calling and throwing insults, no no no no.
If you are a professional than you should be able to express your opinion without having to resort to such measures.
I just want to make it clear that not all mothers are horrible and not all nannies are useless.
I never had a problem with finding a job, and I think that has a lot to do with my approach

I totally agree with you, a mother does know her child best; all nannies can do is give the best advice they feel possible and love the child and nurture them to assist with bringing them up.

I don't think it matters whether nannies have had their own children or not. It's a question of sensitivity and professionalism, and an awareness of the way mothers and nannies bring something different to the child. You don't have to have had a baby to learn that.

I have the upmost respect for all the mothers who i have worked for and would not dream about stepping on there toes as they know best and always will about there child.

I know that there is no essential or standard nanny qualification - it's up to the mother to employ whoever she feels comfortable with.

But, for those nannies who have NNEB, GNVQ etc., do they do "in service" training - say every year or two to boost their knowledge? Or is it all down to securing the first job then using that job to provide a reference for subsequent jobs?

Given that teachers, midwives etc have to do in-service training, is it something we should expect of nannies? How does new information about childrearing and health get disseminated to them, especially those that aren't as motivated to keep on top of things?

I asked about whether the nannies had children because I feel that that would inform their opinion and knowledge of extended breastfeeding rather more than not having children would. 13 years experience of other peoples' children might mean that you have an understanding of children, but it doesn't automatically mean that your understanding of breastfeeding and why women do it is relevant. It certainly doesn't make you more of an expert on breastfeeding than a woman who has done it.

That board is absolutely hilarious. A nanny there actually described bf beyond 1 as disgusting. Unfit to be in charge of children, imo. And the whole tone of it is that mothers are incompetent and unqualified, and the world would be a much better place if all chidren were brought up by nannies. Absolutely priceless!