I HATE all this pussyfooting around!

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Iv just read a post about someones ff story, and have also commented on it.
Why are people so scared to say, "Well, at least try bf, its the best you can do for your baby."

Instead of all this "Is a mothers right to chose how to feed."
Well, yes, but it isnt the babies choice to be raised on powdered cows milk, compared to the PERFECT milk that is breastmilk.

Yes, sometimes its hard, and downright painful, but surely, as mothers, its something we should EXPECT to have to do? Motherhood isnt easy, so why is feeding the first thing people skimp on effort with?

i don't find it shocking, though, tbh, it's like saying that it's shocking for Tesco to want to make a profit. i just feel sorry for the women who don't realise that their favourite mags aren't there to support them, but to sell ads. (but they must be, ahem, a bit dense ).

Anything made for sale, is made for profit.
Therefore does not have your best interests at heart and can quite easily talk shit by basing it on someone's 'experience' and 'feelings' etc.

Have you seen my thread re novel ingredients in formula?

Seems the stuff added to formula is often done for market edge and profit, not infant health.

Surely not, eh?

Only just joined this thread, but since it hasn't been done for a while can I add an:

Off you fuck

to the op?

It's from Armstrong and Miller show, by the way...

I've been saying it since long before A&M.

Usually "Off you jolly well fuck, there's a love" Just the right combination of patronising and swearing, I find, to really irritate.

I shall read it in a mo hunker, I have a teething baby whinging a Daddy and he is pulling his hair out

Ooh sorry hunk! You ought to sue em for nicking your work...

Has anyone asked how these figures re: percentage of mothers breastfeeding are calculated?

Reason I ask is that in the child's red book where it asked at 8 weeks and 8 months whether the child was being b/f'ed, the HV recorded 'no' when I was!

And she didn't ask!

"Therefore does not have your best interests at heart and can quite easily talk shit by basing it on someone's 'experience' and 'feelings' etc."

Ooooh, now couldn't that phrase form the basis of a 'mission statement' for the formula company 'mums clubs' that are springing up like noxious funghi all over the interweb?

did you not say anything ?

I would like to see formula companies' mums club websites taken down, since they are most likely posted upon by stooges of the companies getting round the advertising ban on infant formula (of course they are - think about it!).

stealth, did you mean me?

yes, I did mention it, but she said, 'oh, well, never mind... no one really looks at these things anyway...'

Yes, that is , what's the point of recording it then!!

makes me wonder though how accurate these figures are!

Some of them aren't accurate - I know some hospitals count "initiated breastfeeding" using "baby licked nipple once", for instance - but the baby might have had bottles henceforth.

hunker, i know that that last comment is absolutely true and it is horrifying , isn;t it?

It makes me sad, Lulu - each day women have less than decent experiences, having gone into pregnancy and birth expecting they could get decent care from well-informed health professionals - and pretty much nothing could be further from the truth for some of them.

It's shit and if it was men it was happening to, you can be sure it wouldn't be happening.

A friend of mine that I hadn't spoken to since upper school has been in contact with me lately.
Anyway, she is a nurse, a school nurse she deals with sex ed and after
She is educated in breastfeeding.
I spoke to her the other dya and she is worried she isn't producing enough milk, etc etc, thankfully explaining th science bit ebhind why babies feed for so long and what is happening,hind/foremilk etc sorted her out.
BUT this is a 27 year old health educated woman, that worried when her midwife told her "she gave her lots of time and it wasn't her fault she didn't get it"
If health professionals need help who are us layman to expect it?

I think anyone that writes a post on mumsnet deserves other mums support... If you do not agree with their thread why not post on a different thread that you do agree with..

I feel that you are being very rude and unfair to tell someone that they should breast feed, it is their choice!!!

Plenty of babies are ff and are healthy and fine...

I did bf my baby but it was my choice to do so and no one would have pushed me into it...

DO NOT critise other people on mumsnet as we all need support not RUDE people making us fell bad!!!!!!!!!!!

mummyrayjay, I agree totally.
Who are we to decide how someone feds.
but I do believe we should help introduce people to reality, and let them see what is real, then be there for full support no matter what they choose.

yep, as someone who unwillingly ff i hae felt much much more supported by MN's 'hard facts' approach than by any of the HCP's who patted me on the head and told me it didn't matter.

No. 1 - it matters how you feed your baby.

Now, let's proceed from there.

I saw some piece in (I think) Grazia about Hollywood celebrities who were hiring wet nurses. Not sure what that contributes to the debate but there you have it....my two cents.

HUNKER - I havnt seen your ingredients thread. Where is it?
Im not great at searching.

Never mind, found it.