Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

[megglewell]

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

oh man ! why the militant stand on bf v ff?
please allow us all our own opinions and a degree of intelligence! I've had to listen to a silly woman on the radio tonight advocate natural family planning to women and advising that the contraceptive pill is akin to murder.Tell that to Mammy who had 9 of us! Poor Dad said he spent his life in reverse !
I digress, don't want to add to scorn heaped on either side but please everybody calm down clearly there are many diffent opinions, equally clearly, breast is best.
those of you who are bfing brilliant well done. those of us who couldn't/chose not to, well done for being able to withstand the onslaught of righteous indignation (as if we are silly women keeping our breasts pretty for low cut tops or men..)

lulu that post at 18:53 is EXACTLY how i have been feeding ds4 phaps it is because i DID bfeed the first three that keeping that closeness and bonding with feeding was VERY

IMP to me, and tbh when i snuggle up and give him his bottle it feels fab, all the close cuddles, eye contact etc without the stress that bfeeding had become.

and i am rather possessive about his feeding, daddy has given him a few bottles, but thats it, infact i have pissed of aunties, granny etc by not letting them feed him i admit i am OVERPROTECTIVE of my babies, have been with all of them, but he is MY baby and therefore i will feed him

glad to see you came back meg

anyway i am now off to feed my baby and put him to bed, in our bed, we still co sleep despite not bfeeding

Surely it would be nonsensical to have two separate topics.

I can't understand why people are so uber sensitive about bfing. I can see it's hard for people when it doesn't work out but not talking about it is going to make it not work out for more people.

No one is judging anyone else - why would they? It is a choice but women have the right for it to be an informed choice. Just because a small minority of mothers may be sensitive to the fact that breast milk is better, doesn't mean every other mother should be denied vital information.

It is totally unreasonable and insulting to women to withhold information regarding the child health issues.

am knackered after reading all that!

Exactly quicksilver
And separating bf and ff topics will enforce any us and them feelings when IMO it should be about feeding your baby or child

tik, how come I didn't get a 'thanks for your support?'

Not sure I understand what 'follow on' milk means? Is that the one for the hungrier baby?

ILOVEMYDOG - after the 'normal', baby fomula, there is a hungry baby milk (no2), THEN at 6 months old there is another formula and THAT is follow on milk.

Lulu, it's interesting how so many women are angry as hell with women who breastfeed and seem to adore the formula companies - the very companies who scuppered the breastfeeding the women wanted to do.

I don't geddit.

Ohhhh how I just love the feeding section, always a calm relaxing place to discuss your problems, or ask reasonable questions, only to be frog marched down a long winding bf v ff road. Ohh the sisterhood of mumsnet.

how true colacubes, and thats why i felt oblidged to put my FF story on the feeding section. Itsnot always so straight forward.

I don't think there are many who've read and posted on MN for more than a nanosecond who do think it's simple though.

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Because most women do both - where do you put a question re mixed feeding? Often a bottlefeeding question is a breastfeeding problem in disguise - and many posters have had their breastfeeding saved after posting an "argh, I want to ff" thread - if they'd posted it in "bottlefeeding" I know I'd find it hard to ask what was up with the breastfeeding and did they really want to stop - which I and others do now and are seldom jumped on for.

And other reasons, I'm sure. [thinks more]

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Yes hunker. Good point. There is mixed feeding AND some peole ask questions re both.

Of course it was insensitive, and unnecessary to suggest breast milk as the best type of organic milk, to a straightforward question about types of formula.

I'd have thought that most people who post on here realise how sensitive an issue bfeedinG/ffeeding is. I know that, had I posted this question when things had gone tits up for me re b'feeding, i would have felt even worse than I already did to see 3 such 'lighthearted' responses come up straight away.

"Lulu, it's interesting how so many women are angry as hell with women who breastfeed and seem to adore the formula companies - the very companies who scuppered the breastfeeding the women wanted to do.

I don't geddit. " quote hunker, sorry but where on this thread has it seemed that us women who are angry that formula feeding scuppered out bfeeding (which isnt always the case) seem to be in love with the formula companies.

i for one tho i am using formula to feed ds4 am still pro bfeeding and would offer support to someone that wanted/needede it and have done so on mn since giving up bfeeding.

but i will also respect someones right to bottlefeed and give them the info that they ask for, she asked about organic formula, i told her of my experience with hipp. that doesnt mean i am 'in love' with the formula companies, far from it, i actively boycott nestle and have complained in boots and mothercare about what i have seen as the illegal promotion of formula, i have even got in touch with the tv watchdog about formual adverts, trust me i am not 'in love# with the formula companies, and they did not scupper my attempts at bfeeding ,believe me, i know how to bfeed but this time it wasnt working so i chose formula, it is a viable and ok alternative.

I was talking in wider terms than this thread. I am sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

thanks hunker

sorry its been 'one of those days' and i am tired, i should probably just put this thread on ignore...

And DebsCee, I thought the exact opposite of your opinion, but don't feel the need to lay into Tiktok to say so.

starlightmckenzie well put.

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"Why would it be nonsensical to have separate topics though? It would save a lot of aggro I reckon. The bottom line is that it is a sensitive subject, whether it should be or not. If the etiquette was "if you want to know about breastfeeding/give advice about breastfeeding then don't post in the ff section there would probably be far less argumesnt."

Bounty's bottlefeeding and breastfeeding boards are separate. I drop in on the bottlefeeding board every now and again to read the posts, and am usually aghast at the levels of ignorance about both breastfeeding and formula you find there. You get posts from people struggling with breastfeeding who are asking for information about how to introduce a bottle because they want to mixed feed. The advice they get is often really unhelpful to continued breastfeeding. In my experience people who know most about breastfeeding often also know more about formula than women who have never breastfed.

You also get loads of stories of breastfeeding failure on that board were people have received awful advice from health professionals - and nobody ever picks up on this. You can't. You get jumped on if you suggest that someone might being able to get help and carry on breastfeeding, or might have a better time with their next baby if they got appropriate help. It's tragic. The ignorance and misconceptions about both formula and breastfeeding......

That's why I prefer the mumsnet board - it's much better for EVERYONE to have a mixed board like this. And for everyone to feel free to contribute to a thread if they've got something to say, no matter how they feed.

so, does anyone know if there are benefits to organic formula over non-organic (i know, i know, science heads, they're all organic but ykwim). what about the fish oils? are they better than organic? and the oligo-saccharides? (i may have made that one up).

is one quantifiably better than the other? who knows? because we aren't told the answer, which does, to address tiktok's earlier point, make me furious.

however, can someone answer me the 98% thing? what does that mean? where exactly does that come from, because as one of the 2% (imo, and the docs' and the bfcs opinion but who woudl still try again if i had another) it does rankle with me that it's bandied about by some of the 98%.