Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

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Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

sorry, typo. swc as in smallwhitecat, not smc.

margo, it was a simple question indeed. I gave a straight answer, plus a small and not entirely serious mention of bf....just in case she wanted to know more. Before she had a chance to draw breath and decide whether she did or not, weejie jumped in and took offence on her behalf - ruining the 'moment' in her zeal to root out insensitivity.

I agree - indigestion remedies are not the same.

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't think the way a lot of the efforts to communicate about bf work very well and that applies to MN too if I'm honest. I know a lot of MNers do great work supporting many who are trying to bf but I feel there is a problem communicating with those who don't want to for some reason or are having problems that MN can't reach.

I think these kind of threads create an unhelpful culture around bf. I think they are intended to create a normalising culture around bf but they end up being a bit unhelpful in terms of the atmosphere. That is just my very humble opinion.

er can anyone help me?
you see I have this spot......and it's on my arse?

oh I'm just being silly now I know

Aitch - good summing up.

I knew I risked being irritating. I knew some people might roll their eyes. I decided it was worth risking, for the possible up-side of making some info available to someone who wanted it.

It didn't work. Why? Because someone came along and scolded me for being 'insensitive'....

i do think, as weejie herself said, that it was the cumulative effect of the first few posts that was unfortunate to say the very least. sabire's agreed that her post was inappropriate to the OP and has apologised.

had weejie merely responded to the OP herself, without ticking off the other posters in a fairly aggressive manner, i sincerely doubt there would have been an ongoing problem.

it is most definitely worth thinking about how we respond sensitively to a question such as the OP's (as i believe Tiktok did while others did not), but it's also worth thinking about whether the OP was well served by weejie's rather angry intervention, as it caused quite a hijack and left her with very little information about organic formula milk.

whatever, chequers. you are trying too hard to take the moral high ground here.

i don't require or want an apology off anyone. as already said, i am a big girl enough girl so I don't take posts on a msg board to heart.

fwiw, freddy seems to have visited at least one other thread on the breast and bfing board simply to stir after this thread began.

i don't know if you are aware of that.

smallwhitecat - I didn't ask those questions ('why are you ff?') because it would have been intrusive...I left it open for her to come back and give more info if she wanted to.

TikTok I can see what you mean in your last post and I know you do a great deal on this but I do feel that the bf people (who have the positive story to tell) need to be very open and welcoming at all times (which you are) and not necessarily jump on every opportunity to discuss bf because I don't think that always helps.

I think it's probably like being a vicar in a sparsely attended church. You have to smile and be lovely to everyone and say "how lovely to see you" and not "why haven't you been to church for the past year?".

That's just what I see as the best way to bridge the bf, ff divide. My fear is that otherwise people become polarised and the "other lot" become "other" and we start to hear about "bf nazis" and other dread phrases when actually it's better to have a totally non threatening environment on the whole issue.

Agree with SWC's threads too.

I have seen questions like this before on this site, and it has turned out that the poster has been told that they will not be able to breastfeed for all sorts of reasons that turn out to be wrong, and they have been hugely grateful to have this explained to them. If the only answer allowed was 'SMA' or 'Hipp' or whatever, then that wouldn't have happened.
Loads of people are told by doctors that they can't breastfeed if eg they are going to have an anaesthetic.

oh i don't feel compelled in the slightest, SWC, as tbh i wouldn't know what to do with the person if they answered other than to refer them to the NCT or to tiktok or mears or hunker on here. that's why i said i wouldn't ask or mention bfing.

however, i don't have a problem with tiktok probing (sensitively imo) and nor did the OP. and yes, either of the questions you suggested might equally have worked (or might equally have pissed off the OP or weejie - who knows?)

sorry, swc, I paraphrased not very accurately...i meant I would not have asked any of the questions you phrased in my post.

margo, I know what you mean

Aitch, what i think is required is a survey sheet with ticky boxes that pops up before an OP can post.

it could specify who and the type of answers they would like to get.

Eg: can a breastfeeding counsellor reply?
should only excl. ff /bf reply?
what about hairy arsed truckers?

are you a man/ woman /donkey?
are you bfing /ff / mix feeding?
are you in your right mind / drunk / suffering PND.

ETC, ETC.

I used that analogy as I just went to church this lunchtime (long story which will end up as another MN battleground so I won't go there ) and I clearly had absolutely no idea what I was doing.

There was a lot of spoken liturgy - is that even the right word? And sitting then standing at particular moments which I did wrong throughout. And I was very obvious (four people in the congregation - 3 elderly gentlemen and me). The vicar was lovely. Very friendly and unpushy. Sensible chap, I thought

Quote from Tiktok

'I knew I risked being irritating. I knew some people might roll their eyes. I decided it was worth risking, for the possible up-side of making some info available to someone who wanted it.

It didn't work. Why? Because someone came along and scolded me for being 'insensitive'.... '

So you really think this is the way to help people bf?
Oh dear
For every 10 you piss off - you might help one?
Perhaps a different strategy is in order?

well no, because as this thread proves, actually having failed to bf and moved onto formula does not mean that you are of the same opinion re this matter as others who found themselves in the same position. but that's the internet for you, people from all airts and pairts.

my last post to kkdmum.

ah, well i agree with you entirely. my last post was entirely tongue in cheek.

i know, i missed a