Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

[megglewell]

Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

DKMA: "however it is VERY common [for there to be] for little comments, snipes, even well meaning advice where it is not asked for (with the best intentions)"

Um...welcome to the internet? !

I don't think I am guilty of any of those 'sins' towards ff mothers (I'm not insensitive, ya see ) but yes, I can see that little comments, snipes and well-meaning advice occur from time to time, and can distress or annoy. Not sure what can be done about it, except as Aitch says, not doing them in the hope that they won't prevail somehow.

what, snarky little one-liner comments like 'aitch, you are missing the point, big style'? no, they're not that nice, are they?

god, this is tiresome. someone come back when there's an answer because it looks pretty intractable where i'm sitting. lots of offence taken and none ever meant...

Aitch - how funny

Surely like me you can exercise your better judgement and post relevant comments under relevant headings?

Where there is a SPECIFIC question about a type of formula then to mention bf is odd and inappropriate?

It's not rocket science - and does not require different sections

Big sloppy kiss for Leek

so you do think that tiktok was wrong to post that the best organic milk would come from her breasts, then? i don't. thereafter i can't see how we'd agree as you're arguing for censorship.

there is no information out there that would answer the OP. that's the thing to get cross about, imo.

DKMA - so you think me mentioning breastfeeding (light heartedly) in my first post was 'odd' and 'inappropriate'...even though the one sole assumption that could be made from the OP was that she/he was interested to know more about options for a healthy infant diet?

You know I was just on a baby naming thread where they were asking for interesting girl names. Someone waded in with
"Cyclone
Rampart
Bovis"
which is quite deliberately not what the OP wanted. That is what happens on an internet discussion forum.

I quite often see people commenting on things that are not exactly what the OP asked, but are related. Happens all the time.

All the time

Everybody agrees that breastfeeding is the best way to feed a baby. Formula is an adequate way of providing synthetic breastmilk for a baby but it is not as good.

I think I am right in thinking (although obviously this is only my opinion) that most people agree that it takes a good 4 months to get to the stage where breastfeeding is easy. As pointed out by Welliemum, only 2% of women do not choose to try breastfeeding, but 72% of women are not breastfeeding at 4 months.

Are we really to assume that all of these women either can't breastfeed or have received brilliant advice but have decided not to? Or is it just something about being able to log on to Mumsnet that means they must be in one of these groups? Is it better not to make a positive comment about breastfeeding for fear of upsetting the very few women who really can't breastfeed, or is it better to make positive comments about breastfeeding to encourage the much larger number of women who want to breastfeed but find it difficult?

The argument seems to be that on a public forum where identities are unknown and no assumptions can be made about the users, it must be assumed that breastfeeding is so difficult and unusual that any person buying a bottle of formula is doing so because they are unable to breastfeed or choosing not to breastfeed. Doesn't it make more sense to assume that somebody buying formula for a new born either wants to breastfeed but is finding it difficult, or is mixed feeding?

and tiktoks post was relevent. Entirely. And gave excelent advice on the exact question.

your figs are a bit squiffy, mp, but your point is very valid.

Cyclone
Rampart
Bovis

Yes I do think Tiktok was wrong to mention bf (even though meant well and was light hearted)

And

Tiktok the op was asking about FORMULA not generic infant feeding advice

Imo threads on feeding (ff/bf) are more sensitive than any other threads and require a different tack.

Can anyone get what I'm saying here?
Perhaps I'm not communicating my thoughts very well here?

you gerroff sabire, coming round here with your breasts, causing trouble for everyone...

she's the one you really want, ladies, hunt her down whydoncha?

Tiktok I don't know where you get your patience from. I think anyone else would have given up a hell of a long time ago.

I do however think that you must be easily recognisable in public with your incredibly flat forehead ... from banging it against a brick wall so many times!

"Tiktok the op was asking about FORMULA not generic infant feeding advice"

Er, so "The most widely-available organic formula is probably HIPP at the moment; if you are planning to stick with one brand, you can check your chosen brand is available where you regularly shop to save long searches when you run out" doesn't answer a question about FORMULA, does it not?

you think that they require a different tack, dkma, but perhaps not everyone agrees with you? or is on this thread right now to hear what is being discussed? or is as sensitive as you and therefore their different tack still may not suit you? tiktok, for example? or even, is a member of MN yet? so unless you do want MNHQ to pronounce on bf/ff specifically this is all so much hot air. the etiquette guidelines do cover this, i htink. no personal attacks, keep it supportive etc. that's what i think tiktok was doing. if you don't, then you'd have to report her and let MNHQ decide. if you think that would be an over-reaction, then you just have to settle that this is what the internet is like.

ROFL, fio, that's so true. although i think there are dinky internet available ones, but what use is that when you run out on a bank holiday?

Oh f*ck it
This is going nowhere and I've got work to do.
Perhaps I should just raise an eyebrow when this happens and click elsewhere, but having used Hipp formula I thought I might have something to say here that was relevant.
Nevermind - maybe I'll post on that gardening thread about that spot on my arse

DK, yes, the OP was asking about organic formula. I judged that it was appropriate to mention breastfeeding (light heartedly) alongside some decent info...which the OP could have taken further if she had wanted to, but which she could have left uncommented on if she preferred. I made it possible for the discussion to open up on her terms if she needed to have more information. It was clear from my tone I was not judging her.

Of course, when someone comes along and berates me for being insensitive, that non-judgemental, gentle and open vibe was trampled on - and it became impossible to retrieve it.

If all of the posters on MN had to moderate what they posted in case it might offend some people, or make some feel guilty, or make them remember something sad then it would be nothing but tumbleweed round here.

and to be fair, tiktok, you might have been judging that incorrectly. if the poster had come back and sighed that she really didn't want to hear about bfing etc i have no doubt that you would have held your hands up and backed off. as it was, you weren't, the OP didn't mind. it was others who minded on her behalf, which did rather derail the thread from the topic of good organic formula.

goodness me, what a thread...

Tiktok- I do not know how i gods name you keep so calm, and reasonable sometimes. You have the patience of a saint, you really do.

Also, I want to add to that, that tiktok always without exception ( that I can think of) gives balanced, helpful, supportive advice, backed up with bang up to date research, and a huge helping of general and specific knowledge on both breast feeding and FF. I have learnt more from posts on FF than I have from any other printed text online or in the community. OF course, also about BF.

I've read this whole thread, and do not want to enter further into the general debate that has ensued, but really wanted to pick up on tiktoks input from the start - which clearly, I found to be helpful, in her first sentence. Since FF ad BR feeding are both ways to feed an infant they are surely inextricably linked. They cannot be separated, anymore than which formula you choose to use to feed you baby. The only difference is the emotive nature of reasons why mothers either choose not to, or cannot ( for whatever reason) BF. This is IMHO, the only difference, so far as this debate is relevant.

I also feel I have to say, that it is often the perception of the mum who is FF, and not the opinion of the poster discussing BF, that they are being judged or criticized.

Lastly, I have yet to read on MN any thread, where mothers that are FF ( for whatever reason) are accused, implied etc etc to be bad mothers. or words to that effect as someone here implied in a previous post. Or, where anyone has even merely suggested that "mums that FF are not mums too"!!!

I have yet to read any attacks on any mother for her choice in how to feed her child. I have only ever seen support and advice, on both FF and BF. The ONLY time these threads become heated debates, I think without exception, I'm sad to say is when someone takes exception to another poster mentioning BF on a thread which started off asking about FF.

There have been the very occasional threads by mis-informed, ill advised posters who have made wild generalizations on why mums do not FF, I can think of two maybe 3 of these in the past. In each case they were very quickly pulled up by other posters - both pro BF or FF on the ridiculous nature of their thread.

I'm sure my comments here will be picked apart and i'll be accused of something i'd not intended to portray, since that seems to be the overall 'feel' of this thread....

DKMA, yes, lots of people can get what you are trying to say and applaud you for saying it - it's just that it's an internet forum and when a lot of people say one thing it's hard to know whether it's a true majority view or not.

I think Tiktok was wrong to mention breastfeeding in a jokey way as, like she said, she had no idea of the OP's circumstances.

oh, susie, so you have missed the few occasions when TT has lost her patience then? t'was funny imo, though as they were so un-TT-like.