Can anyone recommend a good organic formula milk for newborns?

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Have read a bit about HIPP but no others..

weejie - you said 'I know with my new medication I won't be able to [breastfeed]' - that's why I believed you to not be able to breastfeed....logical, eh?

I have acknowledged there are 2 audiences for every thread - the OP and the wider reading audience. I have stated I made a considered judgement about what to say, bearing that in mind. You can disagree about that judgement, but you should withdraw any suggestion I was being 'insensitive'.

I have not accused weejie of rudeness at all - she's said I was 'unpleasant' and 'patronising' and other similar stuff, but nothing too terrible and I gave as good as I got

Shinola - I defended myself against the accusation of insensitivity...don't know if that is being 'defensive'.

Compare my posts to weejies - right from the start, she ratchets up the tone, and continues in this same vein - not rudely, but not in a measured way.

Chequers, your suggestion of what I should have said is not one I would choose to use - it assumes the OP is a mother asking for herself because she did not plan to bf, and the OP was (I had to assume) careful not to give away personal information...even as basic as this.

Crush, I don't know when I have mentioned bf in a 'superior' way....don't understand this, sorry.

nope, i'd agree with you there. as i said i think tiktok's borne the brunt of the response to their comments more than anything she's said. that's why i can't imagine how this continued to be personal against tiktok for such a long time in the thread, when the problem really arose from the next few answers. tiktok had raised the issue of bm, nothing more.

I don't think I have ever seen Tiktok get annoyed - I would've lost it by now in her shoes. She is always very supportive and points out inconsistencies in other people's advice in a gentle and professional manner IMO.

I also think that Weejie got off on the wrong foot and has come in for some unnecessary comments. She has pointed out that her area of work made her react in the way that she did - a valid point I think.

I think that this thread is getting ridiculous BTW.

last post to eebenes, x-posted with tt.

2nd mate - I agree. you did seem to become annoyed really quickly Tiktok. I'm sure you're lovely and have the best intentions, but on rereading this you did seem to personliase this really quickly and get quite annoyed...or rather this is how it came over.

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Although I would like to apaologise for making what was a personal comment about Tiktok. I should have thought of a better way of putting wwhat I meant. Just shows how emotive the subject is I suppose.

shinola, 2nd mate, stop being so insensitive. you don't know what prompted tiktok to post the way she did and your little comments aren't helping anyone.

like... no offence. so don't get annoyed or personalise, eh?

2ndMate, no, I don't get annoyed just because people disagree with me.

I get annoyed when people impugn my motives (calling me 'insensitive' when it is unjustified) and when people say something out of willful ignorance that misleads and belittles. Maybe that's what you mean when you say I 'like' being 'the expert'....?

I do take it personally when I am told I am insensitive to someone's feeding issues. 'Cos it's a personal accusation!

@ Aitch

who said something out of wilful ignorace that misleads or belittles? have I missed something?

shinola - willfull ignorance etc etc ....was talking generally about what makes me annoyed on mumsnet, not especially this thread, because 2ndMate was speaking about me being annoyed generally, too....

Sheesh....this is ridickerlous....it's not about ME!!

Perhaps something to note for future threads =

Where there is a specific question regarding FF - DO NOT REPLY with info on BF - unless requested by OP.

When reading this last night I was shocked at how fast BF was mentioned when it did not seem relevant.

Why would anyone click to open this thread unless they had either used or had knowledge about organic formula. (I have used Hipp). Is it because some of the pro bf'ers just can't help themselves but to chuck their two peneth worth in?

Wow! What a thread. Have read the whole thing and definitely feel that Tiktok was really reasonable and even handed from the start.
I don't normally post here but some really unfair things have been stated.

"I'm afraid Tiktok, lovely and supportive as you are, you do come across (IMO) as liking to be the expert, and do become very obviously annoyed if people don't agree with you"

Tiktok - I don't know how you stay this reasonable

Tiktok doesn't like to be the expert, on this subject she is the expert, and I am gobsmaked that she doesn't get really annoyed having to put up with the personal abuse and constantly having to correct factual information (usually the same myths over and over again)

How fast would it be appropriate to mention BF in any way in the Breast and bottle feeding folder, DKMA??

I appreciate your desire to be sensitive and aware, but why not leave it to people's judgement?

It's a bit of a risk, but, heck....this is a talk board, people talk, and we can just hope people judge ok most of the time.

In this case, the OP was not offended by my 'insensitive' mention of bf, anyway

I've used Hipp too, and my dd threw it up an hour later - but it coincided with a rare car trip, so I just didn't know what to do - I was scared off using it again in case it was experimenting with her. I want to use organic, but now my problem is at her age getting her off formula and onto real milk - even the part-dilution isn't working. FWIW, Hipp is a bit harder than the big company makers for getting out of the container because it's a sachet, and has no plastic leveler. That isn't a very good reason not to use it.

"In this case, the OP was not offended by my 'insensitive' mention of bf, anyway "

But I think some people were definitely offended by sabire's comment, and the long discussion sprang out of a response to that, among other comments, and their cumulative effect.

Tiktok - the op was asking specifically about formula so imo if you had info on that (as you did) then offer it - bf debates shoulf be kept to relevant threads where this is not one.
I don't want to be personal though - just that you were the first to answer the op and the first to mention bf.
There are plenty of threads where bf can be discussed - at length - but this shouldn't have been one of them (imo).

EBenes - I agree that Hipp is a bit of a faff re sachet etc - I fashioned my own system with tuperware box and plastic knife
I too now am wondering how to go about the move to cows milk I'm sure thats for a whole other thread though!

"But I think some people were definitely offended by sabire's comment"

Yes - I'll hold my hand up and say 'sorry' - that while my comment was true, it wasn't appropriate as a response to the OP.

Why anyone would want to open the thread unless they could impart knowledge on organic formula.

Why indeed? I opened it to see how quickly someone mentioned breastfeeding and when it would all kick off.

It was patently obvious it was going to end up like this.

thank you sabire

Tiktok opened and responded to this thread, freddy because she does know quite a lot about formula, organic or not.

in fact, i daresay she gives better informed advice on formula than any of the erm, company sponsored promotion helplines out there.