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SMA GOLD ON EASTENDERS?

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Dalrymps · 03/01/2008 20:43

I probably don't know what i'm on about but i just flicked on to eastenders and during one scene there was a carton of SMA Gold on the surface in the background, it was the house of the one who has just had the baby with the ginger husband i think (not too sure cause i don't really watch it), anyway i think her baby in it is quite young...
Anyway, i was just wondering if this is allowed, i mean, isn't it like an indirect form of advertising formula for newborns? I'm not totally against formula or anything, I mix feed myself, I just think it seems like their advertising it when they shouldn't? Any thoughts on this?

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ReverseThePolarity · 06/01/2008 11:06

Carmen,

Re: "Oh and i completely and utterly disagree that bf ers give up because of little support. Many bf ers give up becuse they are not committed enough."

You can ask for support in the hospital where you deliver. But what if you're told - as I was - "some babies never latch on, would it really destroy you to give him a bottle?"

If you manage to get past this shoddy advice and still be "committed to bfing" then you could ask your community midwife. But what if you're told - as I was - "his latch is fine, but there's not enough milk in your breasts, you need to give him a bottle of formula so you can get some sleep and allow your breasts to fill up".

If you are "committed to bfing" enough to ignore that advice, then you could attend your local bf support group.

But if you've read BabiesEverywhere's threads about her local group, you might get told "your milk's dried up, give formula". Or at the bf support group at my local SureStart, "his latch is fine, he's not sucking properly because he's not hungry".

If you're "committed to bfing" enough to ignore that, then you could ask your Health Visitor.

But you only need to take a look at half a dozen threads on here (try my "slow weight gain support thread" for starters) you will see that the advice given there is often detrimental to bfing.

If you're "committed to bfing" enough to ignore that, then there's friends and family.

With comments like:
"You're just being stubborn. Give him a bottle, at least once a day can't hurt."
"You should put him on a bottle and give him to me while you get back to work."
"You're ignoring the housework because you sit round bfing that baby all day when he's blatently not hungry and you're just shoving a boob in his face."

If you're "committed to bfing" enough to ignore that, then you can just cross your fingers tightly that - as in my case - you chance upon a woman at Mums & Tots who knows of a really good bf support group where you finally, after ten weeks, get help.

You can cross your fingers that the already put-upon midwife (the only bf-expert mw in the entire hospital, who works pt) who runs the group isn't on holiday when you go.

You can thank your lucky stars that you have enough income to be able to afford the internet, so you can go on MN and get virtual support and links to telephone support to be able to ignore all the "support" you've got so far, from hospital, mw's, bf "support" groups, HVs and friends & family.

You can be grateful that you're lucky enough to have had an education that enables you to have a sufficient reading ability to understand what's written on the internet and in the book you bought off the internet that you were lucky enough to be able to afford. (Not as silly as it sounds - in my area average reading age is 12.)

So, to sum up. To be "committed to bfing" you need to be incredibly lucky. Oh yes, and ridiculously stubborn. Stubborn enough to ignore everyone - friends, family, health care professionals, bf supporters... You need to be able to filter out bad advice and lucky enough to be able to understand that it is bad advice...

So many women give up because they're not that committed do they? Well why the hell should women have to be that committed?

Sorry, that was a very long post but I just hate hearing that women aren't committed enough to breastfeed. It is posts like that rather than stuff about SMA not being used as a prop in a soap, that are designed to make so-called "failed" bfers feel guilty.

mum2sons · 06/01/2008 12:11

Whether or not you personally disagree that lack of support is not a reason why BFers give up, the research is loud and clear on this subject (and there is TONNES of midwifery research on this). Lack of BFing support is the overwhelming reason as to why women give up BFing.

VictorianSqualor · 06/01/2008 12:17

Carmen, I can honestly say I don't think I've ever read a post on MN that insults as many people in as little time as what you have just written, yet apparently it's the people who choose to FF thatare made to feel bad

I would've given up bfing at the first instant, in hospital, two days after DS was born because I was petrified he was starving himself, if it hadn't been for my midwife spending approx 4 hours with me to get him to latch on and explain the whole thing to me. When DS went through his growth spurt at 6 weeks and I cried my heart out, having to put him down and walk away from him whilst he screamed because even though he'd fed for over 12 hours he still wanted more I probably would've smacked someone if they dared to say I wasn't committed enough

Fear of harming their child is why many bfers give up, and that can be combatted by support.

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 12:19

Ok I didnt write the post expecting you all to agree. And i don't have any link/research to back it up, its my experience from working in this area. You can quote all the statistics you like to me, im sure you ahve plenty of evidence to back it up, but you wont changes my opinion. Im sure many, many women stop bf through lack of support but in my own experience(and i know it doesn't mean much without any reserach to back it up)plenty give up even with LOADS of support.
Anyway, ive had enough of this now.

stripeymama · 06/01/2008 12:19

CarmenElectra - that is the sort of bolleaux that makes women who ff feel guilty about it. You are basically saying that they can't be arsed to bf.

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 12:23

No im NOT saying people can't be arsed. Those who genuinely want to bf should be encouraged and given maximum support.Im only saying there are many who do not realise what a big commitment bf is and then decide to give a bottle because its easier(which is often is).

SantaBabyBeenAnAwfulGoodGirl · 06/01/2008 12:26

ime bottles are not necessarily easier..only appear to be easier at the time all other things being equal..they are less personal so when a baby won't boittle feed it's not such a i must vbe at fault thing

VictorianSqualor · 06/01/2008 12:29

Well your last two posts contrdict each other incredibly, first

"i completely and utterly disagree that bf ers give up because of little support.Untrue. Many bf ers give up becuse they are not committed enough."

then

"Im sure many, many women stop bf through lack of support"

Make your mind up, some would say you realised what utter cock and balls you just spouted and are trying to backtrack

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 12:34

You lot are hilarious!!!!!

Not backtracking at all. Think i probably know more than most of you seeing as i work with bf ing women.

Many, many women may give up bf through lack of support, of course it happens. What im saying, where i work, im my experience (which obviously account for nowt without research to back it up)a good deal of women give up because actually its not really what they thought it would be and don't want to continue.No woman I work with would give up through lack of support i would sure of that. Does that explain it better?

Now you can all carry on being rude to be and carry on all agreeing with yourselves. Bye.

Mommalove · 06/01/2008 13:38

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harpsichordcarrier · 06/01/2008 13:50

"No woman I work with would give up through lack of support i would sure of that"
support comes in lots of guises - professional support but - crucially - partner and family/peer support.
very difficult to maintain and bolster in the current culture.
as I am sure you know.
and, of course, as you must also know, access to professional support is very very patchy to say the least.
so I don't think we can conclude too much about the experience of the majosrity of women in the UK from your own personal experiences, imho

Sabire · 06/01/2008 17:43

"a good deal of women give up because actually its not really what they thought it would be"

Yup - not unreasonably they often expect to be able to get their baby comfortably positioned at the breast, to not experience extreme pain during feeding, and not to have frequent episodes of mastitis etc etc.

Unfortunaely because women don't get SKILLED support with breastfeeding they often end up experiencing all these problems at a time when they are exhausted and feeling very, very vulnerable and anxious about the welfare of their baby.

There's a difference between encouraging and supporting. Women often get lots of encouragement to continue feeding, but they don't get the SKILLED and knowledgeable support to enable them to overcome breastfeeding difficulties - difficulties which SHOULDN'T be perceived as part of the 'normal' breastfeeding experience.

rahrahrahrahrah · 06/01/2008 18:15

Carmen, you say that in your experience women don't give up because of lack of support - perhaps they are given the wrong kind of support if you are supposedly supporting them I expect they are switching to formula in droves

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 18:36

Still being rude i see. You know nothing about me.

And Sabire, turning round what i have said as now we are talking about breastfeeding skills not support. Thats a whole different topic.But, by the way, i am trained/skilled in bf support for what its worth.

Wish i hadnt said anything now. I was only discussing what I had personally experienced. Jesus. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean i haven't experienced it!

VictorianSqualor · 06/01/2008 18:44

carmen, I'm sorry you feel people are being rude but I think what you said was pretty darn 'rude' to all women who feel they have failed at bfing due to lack of support.

Maybe it should read 'correct' support, but it's still support none the less.

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 18:50

Well, i wont be getting involved in any threads on feeding issues again thats for sure.

karen999 · 06/01/2008 18:54

For what its worth I do not feel like I 'failed' at breastfeeding. I just decided to stop and switch to formula. Was the right decision for me and I don't regret it for one minute. I don't feel selfish for wanting to get a bit more freedom back. It's what kept my sanity.

carmenelectra · 06/01/2008 18:55

And I have to say im fuming at rahrah in saying she bets women are switching to ff in droves following my support.
Thats shocking. She does not know me or anything about me!

I could laugh when i think i have broken my back supporting women with infant feeding and i would be very sad if i thought someione gave up feeding becuse of my lack of support. That post was a load of bollocks. Come and watch me at work then you can judge.

karen999 · 06/01/2008 18:59

Carmen - don't get upset. As you say, people don't know you so how can they possibly comment on your experiences?? Lots of people think that women 'fail' ( I hate that word) at breastfeeding due to lack of support. This may be true, I don't know. I am no expert but for me this was not the case. I wanted to stop....maybe not committed enough? who knows, but I was committed to doing what was best for my family as a whole and am glad that I did.

VictorianSqualor · 06/01/2008 19:00

Karen, if that was aimed at me, my post says 'feel they failed', I'm not suggesting for one moment you failed. Choosing to/not to/to stop breastfeeding can obviously be a perfectly rational and happy decision to make, just from what I have seen/heard many people who do stop do it before they feel ready.

Carmen, I won't judge what you do in your job, and I expect you do try your hardest to help, I would even go so far as to agree some people think bfing will be a walk in the park and when it isn't think 'sod this for a game of soldiers' and stop, I just think you could have and maybe should have worded your post better.

FWIW, I've said things plenty of times that I didn't mean to sound so insulting, you obviously have some knowledge and experience in the field and I think it would be a shame for you to stop taking part in any feeeding threads.

karen999 · 06/01/2008 19:22

Victorian Squalor - no it was not aimed at you at all. I just hear that expression quite often. I am happy that I achieved and managed to breastfeed. I know its not easy and that a lot of women can't for whatever reason. I just don't like the word 'fail' thats all - was not aimed at you - honest!!

ReverseThePolarity · 06/01/2008 19:33

Karen, I hope it wasn't aimed at me; I did phrase it as "so-called "failed" bfers" because personally I do not like that term either; I really don't think it reflects the myriad of reasons why women stop breastfeeding.

karen999 · 06/01/2008 19:36

It wasn't aimed at anyone. It's just a word that seems to crop up a lot in a discussion about bf. I only wanted to point out that for me it was not a case of 'failing' it was a case of 'deciding' to stop.

ReverseThePolarity · 06/01/2008 19:40

Oh glad I didn't upset anyone.

VictorianSqualor · 06/01/2008 19:40

lol, look at us all worrying, you're right though karen99, it isn't failure, often women do feel like that though, forgetting how long they have successfully done it for and being proud of it, instead tearing themselves apart through guilt.