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Want to exclusively FF

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justpoppingintosayhello · 05/02/2017 00:41

I'm being made to feel inferior because I want to formula feed my baby, how do I carry on with this? I'm being made to feel bad because of my choices. Sad

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LinksofParis · 06/02/2017 21:05

Fine Mainly you sound very black & white. You are entitled to your opinions but you don't sound terribly well informed about infant feeding and wider issues e.g. why women bf or ff. etc. It's clear you don't understand that your posts come across as simplistic and insensitive. I appreciate that bf was hard for you and well done for persisting. I agree it is an amazing experience and I see it also as a feminist issue. But in all honesty you found a little bit self obsessed with all that

Only1scoop · 06/02/2017 21:05

Op I chose to exclusively FF from birth

I on the other hand wasn't questioned at all regarding my choice. Possibly being older and possibly due to private treatment.

Dd was never Ill as a baby, wonderful sleeper, great routine, just perfect and still is

Let others harp on about how sad etc they find it, take as much notice as you want. I'd personally feel quite sad for them.
Good luck

Chelazla · 06/02/2017 21:06

I think my babies were loved, cared for and adored from the moment they were born. I think in the swing of life not having bm is far from end of the world and certainly not a travesty. I'm glad for you and that you enjoyed bf but your judgemental attitude helps no one. I will be honest I had no desire to have a baby on my boob for large parts of the day, especially my second when I had an 11 month to take care of too. I'm also a prude I'd never have done it in public, so would have struggled to go out. (Obviously I think you should bf where you please, this is just me)!My best friend bf her baby until over 1. I think that's lovely, she did it anywhere and wasn't bothered which I applaud and admire -for her but not for me.

WannaBe · 06/02/2017 21:06

The reality is that no-one actually cares how babies are fed, as long as they are.

The baby stage is such a tiny part of a person's life that by the time it reaches about two years old infant feeding is a long distant memory, and by the time he/she is five nobody would even give a second thought to whether or not he/she was bf or FF.

And I've honestly never encountered any judgement of women who FF other than on MN, in fact in the real world most people are of the view that if you're struggling with BF then giving a bottle is a better solution. Admittedly there probably needs to be a bit of middle ground between that and the "formula is poison" type of advice, but the real world really doesn't care about formula feeding as much as mn (and the daily mail, if this thread is destined for there) does.

The statistics are vastly flawed anyway. Very few women put themselves up for testing to see whether or not they could have BF, so that 1% figure cannot possibly be anywhere near accurate. Personally I didn't produce milk. I produced colostrum but no milk ever replaced it. I don't need a statistic to tell me I was wrong to think that, but equally women don't need a statistic to tell them that they apparently should be able to do something when they can't. And it's worth bearing in mind that it wasn't that long ago that women's milk did used to dry up and babies used to die as a result.

We need to get past the breast is best message, and instead promote support rather than judgement. If women want to breastfeed then the support should be available for them to do that, but if they don't then the same should apply.

"Breast is best" is a damaging slogan as it just leads to women feeling guilty and inferior at a time when they are already vulnerable and at possible risk of PND.

LinksofParis · 06/02/2017 21:07

"Links I'm really not looking for an argument." Neither am I. I think I know where you are coming from but wanted to highlight that nobody forces women to feed a certain way and that choice is undermined by omnipresent marketing of Formula. You can be pro choice in terms of abortion because there are laws regulating this but youc an;t be pro choice in terms of women working outside of the home or being SAHM because it's implicit.

mainlywingingit · 06/02/2017 21:11

The original post was not FF vs.BF as this is has turned into. It was about never even trying to BF. Not Once. Not even trying? I think it is selfish to never, ever try.

And yes I judge this.

mainlywingingit · 06/02/2017 21:16

Wannabe " The reality is that no-one actually cares how babies are fed, as long as they are. "

I care. The NHS cares. The World Health Organisation cares. Breastfeeders care. What are you talking about? There are people that still care even if the Formula Companies are doing a good Job by making you not care. That's the stealth by which they work - that's the irony.

Chelazla · 06/02/2017 21:19

Mainly why do you care what I do with my baby? As long as you aren't harming or abusing it I don't care what you do with yours.

WannaBe · 06/02/2017 21:22

Then you need to get a life. Because it doesn't matter how babies are fed. They are fed for maybe six months of their lives with either breast milk or formula, and then they live for maybe another 85 years with whatever else human beings are fed and choose to feed themselves on.

And we live in a civilised country where it doesn't matter if babies are BF or FF. This isn't Africa or the third world where the difference comes down to contaminated water.

Tubbyinthehottub · 06/02/2017 21:25

Gosh Mainly, I don't think it's selfish at all not to try. Breastfeeding is not for everyone. And, like I said, IME the NHS didn't care that I chose to FF. I can't imagine getting so wound up about how somebody else chooses to feed their own baby.

OnTheUp13 · 06/02/2017 21:26

Wannabe I'd like to point out I'm a breastfeeder and I DONT CARE! Mainly Doesn't speak for all breastfeeders

Only1scoop · 06/02/2017 21:29

Mainly you're actually rather scary.

mainlywingingit · 06/02/2017 21:31

Because I do care. I don't know the answer to that? I care that car seats are safe and care about extended rear facing and wish people knew more and made more informed decisions. I care when I see babies being fed solids at a couple of months old and think of the flora in their gut And the damage being done. I care because I feel sad that people have been undermined and effectively tricked into thinking Formula is the norm when breastfeeding is the biological norm.

Maybe there are some things you feel passionate about ?

There are risks associated with formula and it is my belief in the next 5-10 Years there will be clear warnings on the Formula box. I just wish people could make an informed decision.

pixie32 · 06/02/2017 21:33

My son was exclusively breastfed and had eczema, he also has various allergies.. I just read a long post a few pages back saying breast feeding reduces this! Not mine, I must have bad milk! He is super smart though Wink

Only1scoop · 06/02/2017 21:34

I made an extremely informed decision. For my dd and for myself.

OnTheUp13 · 06/02/2017 21:34

Pixie I'm in the same boat, still breastfeeding at 18 months. She's always snotty, has eczema, catches everything within a mile radius, has allergies etc. But mines super smart too. But I think that's more to do with my genetics Grin

Chelazla · 06/02/2017 21:35

Mainly I wish for my children I was as perfect and informed as you. I just feed them formula whilst dangling them from the sunroof at high speed in inappropriate car seats.

pixie32 · 06/02/2017 21:36

Also, 'breastfeeders' Hmm I prefer 'mum' Grin

mainlywingingit · 06/02/2017 21:39

Pixie - most likely the skin condition would be a whole lot worse without your milk. It
May not irradicate it but likely it is milder than what it could Have been.

Crispmonster1 · 06/02/2017 21:41

i think we are lucky to have the formula which is available today. It wasn't too long ago mothers were encouraged to give their babies condensed milk! My brother was given this! Bf and FF both have a place and formula certainly has more nutritional value than condensed milk. We know so much more about nutrient and micro nutrients and vitamins now. I am solely BF my 3rs child the first 2 I lasted 3 months then 2 weeks. With all my children I haven't had time to judge anyone or give a shit if I was being judged. Parenting is such a personal thing. BF has benefits Formula can't replicate but formula isn't that bad anymore

Chelazla · 06/02/2017 21:42

Breastfeeding and eczema research
Posted on 24/08/2011

A worldwide study led by King’s researchers has found no clear evidence that exclusive breastfeeding for four months or longer protects against childhood eczema.

The findings, published today in the British Journal of Dermatology, have prompted the researchers to call for a review of the current UK breastfeeding guidelines with regards to eczema.

Conducted by researchers at King’s, along with the University of Nottingham and the University of Ulm, Germany, the study looked at data from 51,119 children aged eight to 12 from 21 different countries. 

The research was carried out by gathering information on eczema, breastfeeding and time of weaning by parental questionnaires. Children also underwent a skin examination for eczema and skin prick testing to environmental allergens, including house dust mite.

Earlier studies have suggested a protective effect of breastfeeding on childhood eczema, and the UK Department of Health currently recommends exclusive breastfeeding for six months to prevent eczema, in line with the World Health Organisation. However, a review of the more recent literature found no evidence for a protective effect of exclusive breastfeeding for three months or longer on eczema development, in keeping with the findings from this study.

The authors also point out that there is mounting evidence to suggest that the early introduction of potentially allergenic food proteins, such as peanut, could increase tolerance to these foods, rather than causing allergy, although this remains to be confirmed in intervention studies.

This worldwide study therefore sought to investigate to what extent exclusive breastfeeding protects against childhood eczema. It concluded that children who were exclusively breastfed for four months or longer were as likely to develop eczema as children who were weaned earlier.

The research was part of Phase Two of The International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood (ISAAC), the largest epidemiological research project ever undertaken. 

Dr Carsten Flohr from the Asthma, Allergy and Lung Biology Division at King’s said: ‘Although there was a small protective effect of breastfeeding per se on severe eczema in affluent countries, we found no evidence that exclusive breastfeeding for four months or longer protects against eczema in either developed or developing nations. 

‘We feel that the UK breastfeeding guidelines with regard to eczema should therefore be reviewed. Further studies are now required to explore how and when solids should be introduced alongside breastfeeding to aid protection against eczema and other allergic diseases.’

Dr Flohr added: ‘It is widely accepted that breast milk is the most important and appropriate nutrition in early life. Especially in the context of developing countries it is also important to keep in mind that exclusive breastfeeding reduces the risk of gastrointestinal infections compared to mixed or bottle feeding. Our study does not change this notion.’

Nina Goad of the British Association of Dermatologists said: ‘The size of this study means that its findings are very significant, although the authors recognise that further studies are required. Following these further studies we may need to review the UK’s advice on how long mothers should breastfeed exclusively for, and at what age we should be weaning our infants, in relation to eczema prevention.

‘This study isn’t about the benefits of infant formula milk versus breast milk, nor is it questioning other benefits of breast feeding, but it is about whether breastfeeding exclusively for prolonged periods and weaning after six months, as opposed to after four months, has any impact on eczema risk.’

For more information please contact Emma Reynolds, Press Officer at King’s College London, on 0207 848 433434 or at [email protected]uk.

Notes to editors: 

The paper, ‘Lack of evidence for a protective effect of prolonged breastfeeding on childhood eczema: Lessons from the International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood (ISAAC) Phase Two’ is published in British Journal of Dermatology and can be viewed online at www.brjdermatol.orgg.

The Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN) is currently undertaking a review of the scientific evidence underpinning the United Kingdom infant and young child feeding policy, stating that since the Committee on Medical Aspects of Food Policy (COMA) published its report ‘Weaning and the weaning diet’ in 1994, there has not been a thorough risk assessment of such evidence in the UK. (www.sacn.gov.uk) 

ISAAC, The International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood, is a unique worldwide epidemiological research programme established in 1991 to investigate asthma, rhinitis and eczema in children due to considerable concern that these conditions were increasing in western and developing countries. ISAAC has become the largest worldwide collaborative research project ever undertaken, involving more than 100 countries and nearly two million children. Its main aim is to develop environmental measures and disease monitoring in order to form the basis for future interventions to reduce the burden of allergic diseases, especially in children in developing countries. 

For more information about King’s, see the ‘King’s in Brief’’ page.
Errr no mainly

WannaBe · 06/02/2017 21:42

OnTheUp13 I think that most breastfeeders don't actually care.

BF is IMO a bit like religion. Most people have their faith, believe in their god, pray to said God, go to church and so on and go about their daily business without attempting to interfere in anyone else's life. And then there are a few nutjobs fundamentalists who believe that they need to save the world and tell all the non believers how they'll be going to hell if they don't embrace their God.

Similarly most women who breastfeed do so in their own lives. They feed their babies, they may struggle in the beginning but they hopefully get support, their babies thrive, and they go about their daily business without interfering in the lives of the women they see with a bottle. And then there are some nutjobs fundamental breastfeeders who feel that it is their duty to tell the non breastfeeders what they're doing wrong and how they're selfish for not breastfeeding, and how formula is poison. In fact if the breastfeeding fundamentalists are also fundamentally religious they can tell the non breastfeeders how they will go to hell if they don't worship their god while breastfeeding their baby instead of feeding it the devil's poison. Wink.

And IMO even most people who are fundamental breastfeeders are suitably embarrassed over their behaviour/attitudes once the baby ends the BF stage and life goes back to normality.

Crispmonster1 · 06/02/2017 21:50

Wannabe that's a great post

pixie32 · 06/02/2017 21:55

Mainly, maybe so, maybe not, but none of this helps the op (my own comment includedBlush). I worry that all of this militant breast feeding chat would put someone off who wasn't sure and that would defeat the purpose of what all your posts are trying to achieve which pressumably is to promote breastfeeding. Op I hope you have managed to take some useful information from all the replies you've had to help you feel comfortable with what you have chosen. Good luck and congrats on the baby Flowers

FearTheLiving · 06/02/2017 21:56

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