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Want to exclusively FF

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justpoppingintosayhello · 05/02/2017 00:41

I'm being made to feel inferior because I want to formula feed my baby, how do I carry on with this? I'm being made to feel bad because of my choices. Sad

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OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 10/02/2017 16:03

Oxytocin is a hormone released during breastfeeding, meaning that the mother is "hormonally invested" in her child, and oxytocin is regarded as the bonding chemical (I learned this from a poster in the Drs surgery yesterday so if the details are wrong I apologise, I just found it interesting to see the scientific basis behind the bonding claims! Grin )

It isn't saying "formula fed babies won't bond with their mums", or "breastfed babies are closer to their mums". It's saying that this chemical is linked to bonding, this chemical is released during breastfeeding, so you put two and two together and breastfeeding encourages hormonal/chemical bonding.

There is more than one way to bond with your baby, which is why no-one is suggesting that formula fed babies don't bond as well with their mums. Skin to skin, plenty of cuddles, eye contact during feeds, I could go on and on - these all promote bonding too. Dads can do the skin to skin, the cuddles, playing with the baby, talking to them, reading to them, all these things to build up a bond with their baby.

People aren't saying breastfeeding is the only way to bond. They're saying it's one way, but there are many others.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 10/02/2017 16:04

Good luck Jaago, hope it all goes well!

Pertie · 10/02/2017 16:09

Jaago

Your post is really helpful in explaining my frustration.

Breast milk - the best nutritional product for a baby.

Breast feeding - complex, emotionally challenging, bloody hard work.

But before your baby is born, you can't KNOW how you will feel about breastfeeding. Until you've given the experience a good go, you can only anticipate your reaction. But nothing is certain until you've actually attached your baby to your breast.

So what is there to lose by trying it? All you are doing is denying your baby the best nutrition for certain.

tiktok · 10/02/2017 16:11

Pertie,oxytocin is also released in mothers (and fathers) during ff.

There is a risk of over stating the link between bonding and breastfeeding. Clearly when bf is going well it enhances the relationship between baby and mother, but we have no real reason to believe the same cannot happen with close, responsive bottle feeding.

Pertie · 10/02/2017 16:16

Oxytocin can indeed by released in different scenarios with mother and child.

But the exact hormonal pathways involved in lactation, are not replicated.

Pertie · 10/02/2017 16:18

And again, I'm not arguing women should slavishly adhere to 6 months exclusive BF at any cost. There are obviously scenarios where breastfeeding proves detrimental to the situation.

My point is that every woman should give it a try before deciding that it's not for her. It's the least we can do for our babies.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 10/02/2017 16:19

My perspective on this comes from almost three years (how is my baby almost three? Shock ) of grappling with my views on breastfeeding.

I wanted to breastfeed, didn't receive the right support and ended up formula feeding. I became militant about it - breastfeeders were all smug, self-righteous people with their judgypants hoiked high, breastfeeding has no benefits whatsoever, "my child is fine so stick your statistics up your arse" etc.

Through debates on here and learning from posters like tiktok (and even the infamous minifingerz on occasion Wink ), my views took a big 360 turn, and I realised that the target of my anger shouldn't have been breastfeeding mums, or the act of breastfeeding itself, but the system that failed me in not providing proper support - partly due to being a younger mum - and not signposting me towards other avenues of support.

My daughter has been incredibly healthy. I can count on one hand the number of times she's been poorly, compared to breastfed children I know of the same age who have been ill frequently. She's intelligent - she's been writing her own name for the last few weeks - when breastfed children aren't speaking in full sentences yet. She is my best buddy, we have the most incredible bond.

Do I think that makes breastfeeding obsolete and formula a nutritional equivalent? Of course not. Breastfeeding is tailored to the individual baby; it adapts to their age and their health. Formula is powder in a tub in the supermarket. All this "breast is best", "fed is best" is ridiculous. All of it is bollocks.

Breastmilk is the biological norm. Breastfeeding is something our bodies were designed to do. Sometimes our bodies let us down (mine makes a habit of it Hmm ) and it sucks, but we can't ask science to change because it makes us feel a bit shit. Formula is an excellent invention, marketed by unscrupulous, unethical companies. Information and support is best, regardless of choice.

The way we feed our babies matters, in the same way that whether we babywear or use pushchairs matters, in the same way that whether we send our children to state school or private school matters, in the same way that whether we raise our children as monoglots or multilingual matters. It all has an impact on the person that child becomes, but none of it happens in a vacuum. There is no hard and fast rule that this formula fed child will be poorly and struggle academically, and this breastfed child will be healthy and soar through school.

Genetics, upbringing, family situation, the millions of other choices we have to make as parents all have an impact too - but feeding does matter. Not in the black-and-white way many interpret it, but it does matter.

Blueskyrain · 10/02/2017 16:25

I don't want to try something that isn't beneficial for our family.

I would never suggest that someone who wanted to breastfeed try giving a bottle at the outset, I respect their choice. I feel people should respect my choice.

Didilala · 10/02/2017 16:26

Do what you want. Do what you can.

You will laugh when you see that the breastfeeding zealots feed their children beans on toast, fish fingers and similar lazy-ass suppers every night once their children are in school age....I find that very amusing. As if the magic antibodies that populate breast milk will protect them for life and make them superhuman.

Pertie · 10/02/2017 16:33

blueskyrain but how do you absolutely know that it won't be beneficial for you family unless you try?

And the reason people don't suggest it the other way around is because it's very difficult to re start lactation if you don't start it straight away, having decided bottle feeding isn't for you.

However if you try breastfeeding and don't like it, switching to bottles is pretty simple.

tiktok · 10/02/2017 16:34

Good post, ovaries. Agree with you :)

Chelazla · 10/02/2017 16:38

I try not to care what people think but this bf snobbery really does get on my nerves. You don't love your children more than me you just feed them differently For the first few months of what could be a 100 year life. Why can't people just mind their own business. I would never say to anyone ever your bf offends me yet ff you are literally told you're a substandard mum not doing the best for school

tiktok · 10/02/2017 16:39

Didilala, just listen to yourself, will you :) How on earth do you know what 'breastfeeding zealots' give their kids to eat??!

I'm puzzled about what's wrong with beans on toast or fish fingers, too :) Heavens, you're not judging me are you? [trembles]

Chelazla · 10/02/2017 16:39

School????Confuseddc

tiktok · 10/02/2017 16:40

Who has literally told you that you are a 'substandard' mum? Why would you take anyone who said that (who?) seriously?

kel1234 · 10/02/2017 16:48

Chelazla- well said.
And Pertie- are you still going on that every mother should try being before deciding they don't like it, because it's the least we can do for our babies. Sorry I disagree. If a woman says from the start she does not wish to try to breastfeed, then that is, or at least should be, the end of it. If she says she wants to try, she should be supported in her attempt. If she tries and ends up finding expressing is easier or better for her and or the baby, she should be supported in that. If she is adamant she does not wish to even attempt bfing, she should equally be supported, and offered any help and support she may or may not need.
The least we can do for our babies is what WE feel is right for us and them. And for some mothers, like myself, choosing not to attempt breastfeeding WAS the best thing for both myself and my child. And as I said in a previous post, when I have another baby, I will exclusively formula feed him or her as well. I will not try to bf because I don't want to. And I should not have to justify my reasoning or position to anybody else.

Chelazla · 10/02/2017 16:51

It is constantly constantly implied! There is even a big sticker in the children's centre attached to my school with a cartoon mum and baby that says "only the best for my baby" it is everywhere you look! And people on here "I judge people that won't try" why my child is loved and looked after. Why is it anyone else's business?

Chelazla · 10/02/2017 16:53

Very very similar to this

Want to exclusively FF
Pertie · 10/02/2017 17:04

I'll tell you why I feel it's my business...

You have chosen to not even attempt to give your child the best nutritional start in life. This makes me question your judgement in all other areas of parenting. Your child will have an influence on my childrens life either direct or indirectly.

And, as I demonstrated previously, low breastfeeding rates are costing the NHS huge amounts of money. Leaving less resources for my children when they need it.

AyeAmarok · 10/02/2017 17:07

Pertie, that is a pretty obscure argument for BF and why others not doing it is any concern of yours! Confused

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/02/2017 17:07

As with all things to do with women's bodies, the beginning and end of it should be the woman's choice. Nobody should be pressured, guilt tripped, scaremongers into making a decision in either direction or made to feel bad for making their choice.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 10/02/2017 17:08

You have chosen to not even attempt to give your child the best nutritional start in life. This makes me question your judgement in all other areas of parenting.

Statements like this don't help improve people's perceptions of pro-breastfeeding advocates Hmm

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/02/2017 17:10

pertie that's a ridiculous argument.

minifingerz · 10/02/2017 17:10

Have I skimmed too quickly through this thread and missed where the OP comes back and says how people are making her feel inferior?

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/02/2017 17:11

The OP hasn't come back, I think.