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daisymlaisy · 02/01/2007 10:01

I have just wrote such a lengthy reply and just lost it just before I posted it, how annoying so this will probably be a bit blunt, as I haven't got time to go into detail all over again!

I take great offence in you saying that if I have only done a 3-day course at Unicef I am not allowed to call myself a bf counsellor( sorry this is one word, I have always had a mental block on how to spell it, even though I use it lots, and its my job - its really frustrating!) as you said in one reply "I am not a professional but a volunteer" so does this mean you have had no training as such? as in the next reply you say " I am a Nct bf counsellor" So how come you are allowed to call yourself but I am not????

My training is as follows I am a qualified nursery nurse, Nurse, and did the 3-day Unicef breastfeeding course, which is one of the most respected in the country.

I have worked a as a maternity nurse for 9 years , this is where I have had huge amounts of experiance and it is here where I have usually found that feeding more regularly than 2 hourly after the age of 3-4 weeks and if the mother has a well established milk supply can be helped, and many mothers if they are honest will say they are allowing their baby to snack when they want, rather than encouraging proper full feeds. I have a very long testimonial record for mothers who when I went to see them they were feeding very regularly as in every 30 mins -1hour thinking thats what they should be doing. However once I had explained to them to look out for other sign for example crying cause they are tired etc and obviously making sure that there are no problems of tongue tie, poor milk supply, over milk supply etc , we could encourage the baby to demand feed 2/3hourly instead. I for one who bf my own daughter til she was 7 months,if I was feeding her every 30 mins -an hour would of welcomed someone to tell me this needn't be the case. So I still stand by the fact that if the baby is over 3-4 weeks old and the mother has a GOOD milk supply 2 hourly feeds should easily be maintainable, and it is quite often mis-guided information why the mother is allowing the baby to snack every 30mins, or poor attachment, milk supply etc could be a reason for it. however it in most cases can be successfully turned around to frequent feeds every 2-3 hours.

To finish my qualifications- I have worked as a nurse on a neonatal ward for 2 years, here I did see the extremes where babies are being encouraged to feed every 30 mins-1hour to help with the mothers milk supply.

I have been practicing as a bf councellor for 2 years now.

I do feel like i have been interogated by you, and will not be posting on here any more, you have made that impossible for me anyway by tarnishing my name. So keep up the good work helping all those mothers out there and lets hope you never word anything wrong. Of course I wouldn't do this in real life, it was one of the very few times I had been on here, and I was just writing facts,and my opinions wrongly not thinking about emotional ,sleep deprived mothers who may have read it, how it was most certainly not meant. I hope to have learnt by this mistake, and think more when I am writing.

If you feel like you need to justify yourself to me , like I did to you, please do not worry, if you want to call yourself a bf counsellor, reading your threads you sound more than capable to do this. Though please do not doubt other professionals. We are all going to have slightly different views depending on our experiances and qualifications and training, certainly doesn't need one to attack another, this most certainly would put the fear of god, into already confused new mothers, who feel they don't know who to trust.

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xoxo · 03/01/2007 10:01

hello. I am new to this thread, and looked in because of teh number of postings.

however I cannot believe the fighting going on here. what is to be gained of it?
Can I suggest you close this down and get on with something else?

surely no-one here wants this thread to continue with all this argument?

This is not waht MN is about, surely?

tiktok · 03/01/2007 10:02

daisy, you say to me 'yet again Tik Tok its all about whose best! Its pathetic it really is' ....I have not tried to say anyone is 'best' just that you are not presenting yourself as a breastfeeding counsellor would. I have never called you or your behaviour 'pathetic' - in the face of great provocation, I have stayed polite and sympathetic to you, and I do geniunely feel sympathetic (even if I have had to work at the 'polite' bit!! )

You say you are a 'much-respected volunteer' for Unicef - now I am not challenging you when I ask you for more details, but is this entirely right? I don't know of volunteer breastfeeding schemes led by Unicef in the UK - and I would love to know more. Does this mean Unicef offers you supervision and updating and insurance? Or do you maybe work as a volunteer breastfeeding peer supporter for SureStart, or your local PCT? If there is a Unicef scheme, then this would be good news, as I would love to see them taking the Baby Friendly Initiative further.

tiktok · 03/01/2007 10:08

xoxo - if you haven't seen other threads then I can understand your bemusement!

You don't have to read it though - there are a zillion other threads on MN after all

It's not really 'fighting' here - at the heart of it lies a poster's claims to be a breastfeeding counsellor and offering advice to mothers in that capacity, and counter-claims that she is not entitled to call herself that! It probably does read a bit heated, but as I say, there are cooler places elsewhere

xoxo · 03/01/2007 10:08

< oxo bangs head on keyboard>

DizzyBint · 03/01/2007 10:11
tiktok · 03/01/2007 10:14
NotQuiteCockney · 03/01/2007 10:15

I'm still trying to work out how BFCs would duel. Like banjos? Or with jets of milk?

daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:18

I work as a volunteer in developing countries and in the U.S.

Thanks for all your lack of support everyone

atleast you made me giggle notsocockney with your last reply!

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daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:19

I've got to go to work now, so I hope you feel triumphant Tik Tok....You win!

Have a good day everyone

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daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:25

oh and daisymoo, yes I strongly believe that they would be as qualified as a nct bf counsellor.

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hunkermunker · 03/01/2007 10:27

You're very wrong in that assumption then, Daisymlaisy.

It's like saying someone who's been on a 3 day course to learn French, having qualified in German some years ago and lived in Germany for the last six years and met a few French speakers in that time is fluent in French.

hunkermunker · 03/01/2007 10:27

And you prove how wrong you are in the way you speak about how breastfeeding works.

McDreamy · 03/01/2007 10:33

after reading most of this post it all seems a bit point scoring to me. Not sure what either of you are trying to gain. Tiktok you clearly have a very good reputation on here but Daisy as a newbie I do feel sad for you. It's hard being the new girl!

hunkermunker · 03/01/2007 10:36

It's not about point scoring.

It's about somebody claiming to be something they very clearly are not.

If I said I was a doctor because I'd held a stethoscope for a little while (OK, I'm exaggerating a bit and I know the UNICEF course was better than this) and then went on to offer incorrect advice to people and STILL thought that my stethoscope holding was as valid as 7 years at medical school, can you see that other doctors would be cross?

I know more about bfeeding than Daisymlaisy and I don't call myself a bfeeding counsellor, because I'm NOT ONE!

tiktok · 03/01/2007 10:41

I haven't 'won', daisym - it wasn't a competition for the last word, but a plea for potentially-confused women to be able to assume a consistency in the term 'breastfeeding counsellor'.

Thanks for answering my Q about volunteering for Unicef - might have helped if you had made it clear before this was not in the UK, and if you hadn't somehow used it here and in a previous post to imply it was part of your current UK breastfeeding work. Look - it is so easy to mislead people when you are not open and upfront with them; you have to be careful about that.

None of the 'fight', 'win,' 'lose, ' 'will not apologise', 'knocking', 'defend', 'tarnishing my name', 'slamming' tyoe of vocab has come from me, by the way.

McDreamy · 03/01/2007 10:41

But if she has done a breast feeding course (whatever the length) and at the end of it she is entitled to call herself a breast feeding counseller then she can. Just because some disagree with her adice doesn't make her any less "qualified". You would not be entitled to call yourself a dr until you had doen the appropriate training which across the UK is fairly standard.

I am a "Qualified Infection Control Nurse" and when I did my training a few years ago the courses varied enormously but we still came out with the same qulaification. Doesn't mean it's right. (

WinkyWinkola · 03/01/2007 10:44

If you know something about breastfeeding, please could you help on the other threads? Massive boobs at night needs advice. Ta.

daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:46

you know nothing about how good of a bf counsellor I am.

You just don't agree with all I have said, sorry about that.

aside from that you have all made up your minds without knowing me, I think that is disgraceful.

6 years nursing and neonatal counselling I can assure you better equips you than and nct counselling course.

On the breastfeeding side you can only be taught the facts, and I believe unicef does this aswell as Nct, Unicef and the baby iniative is alot more respected than nct.

So can you try and stop judging me on tiktok verses newbie.

As you are all very wrong and coming across very mean

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Daisymoo · 03/01/2007 10:46

But does Unicef say you can call yourself a breastfeeding counsellor if you are a nurse and have done the 3-day course? If it does, then fair enough, I'm not going to argue with that.

tiktok · 03/01/2007 10:47

And for the record, I think daisym is probably pretty well-informed about bf (and I have said so a few times) and for the vast majority of time, what she knows, coupled with her experience dealing with people, will be a great basis for supporting and helping their breastfeeding.

But she can't, in all honesty, call herself something she is not, simply because she feels herself she is qualified!

(See my analogy with Cordon Bleu cooking skills)

daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:48

Thank you mcdreamy for your support, you are totally right, but for some reason I can't say that.

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daisymlaisy · 03/01/2007 10:49

yes I can tik tok , you are wrong, I am as much of one as you are.

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McDreamy · 03/01/2007 10:51

Daisy I didn't mean to offend you with my post (and on reading it back I can see that you might have been!) it was no reflection on you as a breast feeding cousellor I was just trying to make the point that you don't all have to do the same course to get the same title.

And what does a title mean it's the experience that goes with it that can be the most valuable (imo)

hunkermunker · 03/01/2007 10:53

I might go and do A-level physics in three days.

McDreamy · 03/01/2007 10:54

How many threads are there on mumsnet are there about Dr's who give conflicting advice? Loads (I know coz I read them and report back to DH who is a GP) The medical world is full of subjectivity. As Daisy says course can only teach you the facts not the experience.

Bugger I said to myself I wouldn't get involved on this thread!

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