can't believe this conversation in the dr's surgery yesterday

[muslimah28]

little baby came in with his mummy for their 6 week post natal check. mummy is trying to wind baby in the waiting room.

another mummy with a c2 year old says to her 'i found with my son, just changing the formula helped'.

mummy to 6wk old replies, 'no i just use what i did for all 4 of mine, it can't be the formula.'

at no point did 2yr old's mummy say 'are you formula feeding', or 'how are you feeding him', there was just an assumption that she was formula feeding, and it turned out she was right.

i was just a bit shocked to see yet more proof of how much of a formula feeding culture we have here.

didn't want to add this to the other thread going on at the moment, its just way too long.........but interested in thoughts!!

"NHS cannot shy away from what could be termed guilt tripping mothers"

you foolish deluded spiteful woman

bf is nutritionally optimal that's not in dispute.but cannot strip women of their choice as individual.personal autonomy allows all individuals with capacity to make choices.it is a basic given- right to choice

btw,how would you enforce this "guilt tripping"

You can think that if you like. If you'd read any of my posts on this board in the past 4 years you might understand me a little better.

"what could be termed", ie by others, not by me

I believe I've already answered that.

i am responding to your "NHS cannot shy away from what could be termed guilt tripping mothers" recommendation

i dont keep track or notice who says what on mn.but your comment just now really stood out a some of worst ive sen on mn

and that is some going

Just lose the guilt. In the next 16 years there will be plenty more important things to save it up for, believe me.

scottish That was out of order. That's not what gaelic is saying.

no out of order is advocating NHS cannot shy away from what could be termed guilt tripping mothers

Oh get over yourself.

Like I said, you're taking her comment at face value. Remember it's late, people are tired and not always explaining what they mean well. G is NOT suggesting that the NHS guilt trips mothers.

You wanna talk about guilty, scottishmummy. I've been there, done it, and got many many T shirts.

I'm not going to debate this with you any more. You are wilfully choosing to misinterpret what I wrote, in haste, to reinforce your own views. If the whole issue is as unimportant as you implied earlier on in the thread, I would question why you're still here.

This is playing on my mind because I know how easy it is to feel hurt by something that someone else writes on a thread like this.

For the record - I did not mean what I wrote in the way that it sounded. I do not advocate making mothers feel guilty about their feeding choices. And I definitely do not advocate making mothers feel guilty about the way feeding ends up. DVO and the NHS letter was the worst possible manifestation of this.

What I meant to say is that the NHS should not shy away from giving mothers the plain facts so that they are making an informed choice, and not one based on hearsay. The sad fact is that this will make some women feel guilty - I know because I was one of them - and that is what I meant by "could be termed [(interpreted as?)] guilt tripping". I don't even know why I made the comment because it's happening anyway (unfortunately with a fair amount of misinformation thrown in).

Anyhow, I doubt I'm doing myself any favours by harping on. I will think before I type in future. Apologies.

this comment is probably a bit late but for the record hullygully both SMA and Aptimil contain LCPs ( probably a lot more than my diet as I hate fish) so get your facts right before making such statements.

Yes, but they get broken up when the bottle is shaken to mix the formula, unfortunately.

have you any proof of that? Can't see why they would put them in and how they could advertise that they are in there (on the front of the box) if that were the case. Also ready made stuff doesn't need shaking.

Scottishmummy, that was an example of willful misinterpretation.

NHS advice and support is absolutely key.

But addressing how breastfeeding, bottle-feeding and formula-feeding in general are represented and talked about in society at large are also essential if bf rates are to improve.

also just done a quick pub med search on LCP supplemented formula and none of them mention that shaking formula to mix it breaks down the LCPs they all just prove the benefits of the LCPs

Sorry, just seen this. If the science has changed and they can now manage this - great!

I haven't heard that shaking destroys the LCPUFAs, either.

I think we need to recall that the LCPUFAs in formula are synthesised from algae, or sometimes fish oils, and then added to formula. They are not 'human' LCPUFAs.

The research evidence is that they are safe (don't compromise growth) and stable (they remain in the formula) but I think it's a stretch to say the research 'proves' they are beneficial - there is some work indicating a lowering of blood pressure compared to babies who have been fed on formula without LCPUFAs (which might be a good thing) but the Cochrane review www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab000376.html found nothing to support the claims of benefits to vision, congnition and growth.

I am probably (or obviously) out of date. Apologies. I want all babies to have the best there is and grow up healthy and happy with a desire to love each other and save the planet.

The end.

I love you Hully.

And you too tiktok, always.

Cherish the love.

:)

I admit I didn't read the cochrane review I just read [http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/75/3/570 this one] which suggests that it works. I am in no way trying to say ff is as good as bf. Just get a little annoyed by blanket statements that sometimes are from heresay and not science. No hard feelings Hully.

this one sorry