June babies are starting to pop, who will be the last to pop?

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Final thread of the June 2010 antenatal group. We will all have popped in the next 1000 messages. See you in post natal soon!

Congratulations Georgee and CSWS. Glad you didn't have to wait long in the end, CSWS.

I think Emma is a lovely name.

A question for you breastfeeding co-sleepers. We're co-sleeping at the moment as Daniel is feeding very frequently (as they do, and thank god he is). However, I find if I latch him on in bed lying down, we're both asleep in moments. This means he wakes up even more frequently to feed and sleeps on his side, neither of which is ideal. What do you do. At the moment, at about 4.30 I wake up and give him a sitting up proper feed, which is working ok, but is there a better way to do it?

Ta.

Am getting round to the birth story but not very quickly. I did too much yesterday as felt fab and am very tired and sore today.

Hope all you ladies are well.

georgee, CSWS, madamefreckle, LaTrucha and rubyreins - congratulations to all of you.

mf I agree with all the votes in favour of Emma - I think it's a lovely name.

La T on the bf in bed question, I force myself to sit up at least once during the night - wasn't bothering for first few weeks, but do now, as I got the beginnings of mastitis and GP suggested that the falling asleep meant I wasn't checking Alice's latch and she prob wasn't draining my breast partly for that reason, but because she was dropping off to sleep again so fast too, also lying still for hours was contributing - and I will do anything to avoid getting that problem again. I think there were mixed opinions on the bf section about whether or not this was a possible cause of mastitis, but as I say, will try anything!

Thanks WWISA. I'm not the only one who can't keep awake lying down in the wee small hours then.

Photos of Daniel on profile, if you're interested.

Brain gone to mush, so sorry if I leave something out...

Massive congrats to all the new babies Not many left now

We I need your birth story LaT...come on, its been 2.5 years in the making ...ok, I appreciate you may have a few other things on your plate right now, what with an ill DH, a new DS (loving the names, in either order !) and DD to entertain too...but honestly, where are your priorities, woman?!

Lying down feeding: admittedly I'm not co-sleeping, but I did a lot of lying down feeds with DD1 (ooh, first time I've typed that ) and it was great when I was recovering from the birth but I never felt the feeds were as good as the sitting up variety. Haven't bothered this time as the biggest problem I had with DD1s lying down feeds was that I still had to sit up at the end to wind her as either I have fizzy milk or my DCs have a particular gift for swallowing air, but its been a problem with all of them (and I say bollocks to the theory that breast fed babies suffer less from wind!!)

....which leads me onto...

Winding. Sigh. The bane of my existence at the moment, but its only for a few more weeks until they get better neck control and their digestive systems develop a bit more. Mia is feeding well but will go from 0-60 on the breast which leaves her with chronic wind in about 2-4 minutes. A 6-10 minute feed is a roaring success around here. Normally we have 2 mins on, 15 mins off, so every feed is taking a stupidly long time at the moment even though my nipples aren't seeing much action ! joKettle, generally, I'd say keep at it regardless, unless you have a baby who is totally relaxed (or out cold - but make sure its not a windy-out-cold otherwise they'll be very unsettled within 30 mins). Hiccups are also a good sign that the wind has passed, btw.

Right, 9pm and still haven't eaten, so off to find some food We made it out to London Zoo today with all 3 dcs and a fairly presentable picnic and I bravely bf on the grass with all the other families picnic-ing nearby, so feeling quite proud of myself today...and absolutely shattered!

Wishing you all easy nights

Ah filly was just wondering how people can feed lying down/ fall asleep feeding, as Fergus would scream the place down 30 minutes later if not regularly burped but I guess not all babies are as windy as mine is. My feeds also taking stupidly long despite Fergus being great at feeding due to the very long winding/waking up from winding process. I have just in desperation bought a amby nature nest hamock thing in the vain hopes it will help. Have already tried everything else (Cranial sacral therapy, probiotics, infacol). They work to some extent but nothing quite perfect yet. His wind does seem to have moved downwards quite a lot, he can make some very impressive noises which his Daddy is strangely proud of! When does the situation improve in your experience?

Off to bed now, wonder how it will go tonight, hmm

Goodname - they often say around 3 months, don't they? I haven't yet had a colicky baby, though Daniel my turn into one yet, but my friend has one and it disappeared at 3 months as the MW predicted.

Goodname and Filly - those feeds sound deeply frustrating. having had a (different) very frustrating feeding experience with DD, I sympathise.

Thanks for the interest in my birth story, Filly. Here you go!

Labour was heralded by an entire night of a violent tummy upset, which started at 1.30am 30th June. By 6 in the morning, this had turned to being accompanied by regular contracations every ten minutes, and I began to think it was labour. Apparently, a stomach upset is quite normal: I had no idea beforehand!

I went to the hospital to be checked and monitored because of dehydration and having strong contractions between 2 and 4 minutes apart. Obviously, this wasn?t established labour, but the midwife predicted there would definitely be a baby in 24 hours. She was right! She offered to keep us in but we went home until about 5.30pm, with contractions 2-4 minutes apart all day. I couldn?t feel the baby moving so went back in. The monitor showed a sleepy heartbeat, so the doctor asked for me to stay in although the midwife thought it wasn?t necessary and I did. Contractions almost totally disappeared until 9 o?clock. Typical.

At 10.15 the midwives began monitoring me, and again showed the baby with a sleepy heartbeat. It also showed that I was having regular and painful contractions every 4 minutes. I wasn?t at all dilated though, so the midwife thought it looked like a c-section. After a whole day of contractions and all my hopes this was difficult to swallow, but I did my best.

I was coping ok with the pain but the midwives kept asking me if I wanted painkillers. I was very proud of myself saying, no I was fine. At 11pm, they suggested (and yes, I was phenomenally lucky to be looked after by two midwives to myself all night. Women on the days either side of me were nowhere near as lucky) I had some pethedine, either to stop the labour and let me get some rest before a c-section or to speed it up dramatically. Speed it up dramatically it did and within minutes I was in full labour. Not so proud of myself now as I was absolutely beside myself with pain. I walked down to the labour ward, full screaming. When I got there they presented me with my pain relief options and I really felt I wasn?t coping so went for an epidural.

I don?t know if they were just being nice to me, but they said that full labour had come on so rapidly that my body had had no time to adjust and I was overwhelmed. They said they had called DH and I really didn?t want him to be there, seeing me like that. Fortunately, the epidural man turned up and did a truly excellent job. The pain was taken down, but I could still feel everything and move my legs. DH arrived about 5 minutes afterwards, so never saw the howling she-beast version of LaT! So, to cut a long story short, I rested for a bit then the pushing began. Baby?s heartbeat was still sleepy in periods so a c-section was always on the cards. However, I managed to escape it. At the end I had two midwives and a doctor cheering me on through most of it. If they had been busy on the ward that night, I'm pretty sure they would have just sectioned me. I have really been very fortunate. DH was happy because one of the machines was going wrong every time I had a contraction so they asked him to press the right buttons and make sure it was in the proper limits so he had something to look at that wasn?t too scary (suited me fine: I was beyond hand-holding)! First stage of labour lasted 5 hours, second stage 48 minutes. Daniel was born with his cord quite tightly around his neck so he needed oxygen, but they did put him straight on my chest, so I got my mucky cuddle in the end. He was a bit stunned but came round well. He took some milk at some point, though I don?t really remember it. Fortunately, they still weren?t busy so we both had a delicious sleep with him on my chest on the delivery table. Just gorgeous. One tiny tear and no stitches. One very happy and totally loved-up LaT.

congrats la t & csws&georgee&mrs d*, am sure I've left someone out - if so my apologies.
la t - Love your birth story, glad you avoided the section. your comment about the screaming & the she-beast made me smile. my dp has traumatised my dd by telling her that I was screaming with pain, think she asked if I'd shouted out & his comment was "shouted, she was screaming" Am a bit embarassed as she keeps telling everyone, now if she added that I had no pain relief at all I wouldn't mind so much at least that explains things somewhat!

I've been struggling with a windy baby too, she seems to have hiccups half the time sopleased to hear that's a sign things are moving in the right direction. We live in a 3 story house which normally is a complete pain, the stairs are somewhat of a blessing at the mo as do work a treat bringing up wind!

*summerhols" - hope the mastitis is easing a bit, sounds nasty & thanks for the solidarity on the bf front.
csws - yes we are both being treated for thrush.
Lauren has been feeding better over the weekend, the cream seems to be easing my soreness but we are still struggling with the attachment. She latches on well, but pulls off after 30 secs or so and just wants to suck on the end of my nipple. Sheis also quite clicky when feeding now whereas before was relatively quiet apart from big gulps & ocassional gasps for air!

Dd1 (4.5) is being a nightmare at the mo, she's brilliant with the baby although has to be watched carefully as does try to pick Lauren up. She's jealous of me & dp though, not that we get chance to talk much but even talking about what to have for tea etc she's interrupt endlessly, hang on to me round my waist & generally be a pain. I am making an effort to try & spend 1 to 1 time with her but in the week it's hard as after school she's knackered & not in the mood to do much & then at the weekend dp is around & her behaviour deteriorates completely.

Goodname - they often say around 3 months, don't they? I haven't yet had a colicky baby, though Daniel my turn into one yet, but my friend has one and it disappeared at 3 months as the MW predicted.

Goodname and Filly - those feeds sound deeply frustrating. having had a (different) very frustrating feeding experience with DD, I sympathise.

Thanks for the interest in my birth story, Filly. Here you go!

Labour was heralded by an entire night of a violent tummy upset, which started at 1.30am 30th June. By 6 in the morning, this had turned to being accompanied by regular contracations every ten minutes, and I began to think it was labour. Apparently, a stomach upset is quite normal: I had no idea beforehand!

I went to the hospital to be checked and monitored because of dehydration and having strong contractions between 2 and 4 minutes apart. Obviously, this wasn?t established labour, but the midwife predicted there would definitely be a baby in 24 hours. She was right! She offered to keep us in but we went home until about 5.30pm, with contractions 2-4 minutes apart all day. I couldn?t feel the baby moving so went back in. The monitor showed a sleepy heartbeat, so the doctor asked for me to stay in although the midwife thought it wasn?t necessary and I did. Contractions almost totally disappeared until 9 o?clock. Typical.

At 10.15 the midwives began monitoring me, and again showed the baby with a sleepy heartbeat. It also showed that I was having regular and painful contractions every 4 minutes. I wasn?t at all dilated though, so the midwife thought it looked like a c-section. After a whole day of contractions and all my hopes this was difficult to swallow, but I did my best.

I was coping ok with the pain but the midwives kept asking me if I wanted painkillers. I was very proud of myself saying, no I was fine. At 11pm, they suggested (and yes, I was phenomenally lucky to be looked after by two midwives to myself all night. Women on the days either side of me were nowhere near as lucky) I had some pethedine, either to stop the labour and let me get some rest before a c-section or to speed it up dramatically. Speed it up dramatically it did and within minutes I was in full labour. Not so proud of myself now as I was absolutely beside myself with pain. I walked down to the labour ward, full screaming. When I got there they presented me with my pain relief options and I really felt I wasn?t coping so went for an epidural.

I don?t know if they were just being nice to me, but they said that full labour had come on so rapidly that my body had had no time to adjust and I was overwhelmed. They said they had called DH and I really didn?t want him to be there, seeing me like that. Fortunately, the epidural man turned up and did a truly excellent job. The pain was taken down, but I could still feel everything and move my legs. DH arrived about 5 minutes afterwards, so never saw the howling she-beast version of LaT! So, to cut a long story short, I rested for a bit then the pushing began. Baby?s heartbeat was still sleepy in periods so a c-section was always on the cards. However, I managed to escape it. At the end I had two midwives and a doctor cheering me on through most of it. If they had been busy on the ward that night, I'm pretty sure they would have just sectioned me. I have really been very fortunate. DH was happy because one of the machines was going wrong every time I had a contraction so they asked him to press the right buttons and make sure it was in the proper limits so he had something to look at that wasn?t too scary (suited me fine: I was beyond hand-holding)! First stage of labour lasted 5 hours, second stage 48 minutes. Daniel was born with his cord quite tightly around his neck so he needed oxygen, but they did put him straight on my chest, so I got my mucky cuddle in the end. He was a bit stunned but came round well. He took some milk at some point, though I don?t really remember it. Fortunately, they still weren?t busy so we both had a delicious sleep with him on my chest on the delivery table. Just gorgeous. One tiny tear and no stitches. One very happy and totally loved-up LaT.

La T your baby is gorgeous, what cute chubby cheeks he has for a newborn

oh what delightfully chubby cheeks LaT!

i didn't manage to get on yesterday to let you know that our little bundle is called Jeremy Francis . Still writing up the birth story (I like to do detailed ones) but will post it soon.

Congrats to georgee and Ruby .

And can i just do a big ouch for afterpains?! 3rd babies and tandem feeding are really contributing to some unpleasant tummy pains. Thank goodness they shouldn't last long.

Can I second your "ouch" please CSWS? I've been taking the occasional ibruprofen for them but nothing seems to really cut through. Keep telling yourself its all the uterus contracting and therefore A Good Thing

Great birth story LaT

Bloody awful wind-y day (and night) here at filly-towers...sigh....and repeat to self "This Too Shall Pass"

Hi there, just got out of hospital yesterday. Clementine Jemima was born on the 29th, a 6lb tiddler. Regular contractions started around 10pm on the Monday night - by 2am they were 5 mins apart but not overly painful. Lots of bouncing around on the ball and marching about in the hall and by 10 am they were every 3 mins,lasting a minute and painful enough that I couldnt talk. Went to hospital at mid-day and they thought it might be false labour as my cervix was still high and closed - which wasn't what I wanted to hear as by now I was writhing with the pain.

The midwife decided to monitor for 1/2 an hour and gave me a couple of paracetamol. Which is when I started projectile vomiting. Got moved out of the side room and into a birthing suite. 2 hours later cervix had moved down but I was stil only 1cm dilated. The midwife tried to gbreak my waters but couldn't get a finger in. There'd not been any mention of pain releaf and when they offered me an epidural at this point I said yes. The anethsatists was down straight away and put a line in but unfortunatly it didn't work. Of course I'd vever had an epidural so didn't know how long it should take to kick in. the midwife summoned him back twice over the next hour each time he had a fiddle with the line and the machine and went "Oh that should do it" - but ziltch. This was pretty hard going as by now I was really looking forward to the pain stopping.

Midwife then said that baby's heart rate was worrying and called the doctor who said that there was menconium in the water and that considering I still wasn't dilated at all it was section time. I said yes straight away,
just as a spinal block started working it's magic. Was wheeled into theatre and just remember having a lovely chat with DP about how much we love each other when our baby was brought round to us. DP, when we talked about it yesterday, says I was high as a kite and that he was shitting himself - I could tell he was scared coz he was white as a sheet but found his "brave face" really endearing. 6 days on and I'm knackered but ridiculously loved up to the point where I wonder if they might have mixed in a pill with all the other meds (did have 2 days of dinner plate eyes and talking reeeeaaaallllyyyyyyyy slowly)

So it all turned out well in the end, the hospital was great private room/ own TV/ ac. and a woman to come and massage my legs each day (all for about 200 quid). My UK midwife said I'd end up having my baby on my back and in styrups here in France and she was right - but am ridiculously happy about the whole thing.

Sorry for the epic self indulgous post - good luck to anyone else who's still to pop.

Blimey Baguette, bet you're glad that's all over with and that you have your baby girl after what sounds like quite a stressful birth. Huge congratulations!! Absolutely love the name Clementine (if our twins had been girls they would have been Clementine and Beatrix).
well done!

Congrats CSWS and Jeremy, Georgee and Anna & Baguette and Clementine (you went through the mill didn't you! Lovely, lovely names.

And thank you everyone for your votes of confidence- I'm going to stop worrying about calling dd Emma and get us down to the registry office.

Co-sleeping: Thanks for the advice barbeasty and others. Now I've just got to try not to fall asleep within 10 seconds of starting feeding...but I don't know if I can revert to sitting up in the wee small hours - never comfortable nodding off sitting up with head slumped over!

Emma has just got really 'collicky' or something over the past couple of days. She never seems to bring up any wind no matter how much I try to wind her but she can be very noisy and un-lady-like out of the other end! This evening she went over 6 hours without sleeping - an endless cycle of feeding, shrieking (ridiculously high- pitched squeal), nappy changing, feeding...Finally asleep so I should be too.

hi everyone and congrats on all the beautiful babes!!! just had a super quick skim through and there are some lovely names. am sitting in a cafe feeding little Seb as we still don't have internet access at home so i am totally out of touch - can't tell you how much i've missed mumsnet over the past few weeks - just when i've reeeeeaallly needed it!!!

Sebastian Robin was born on 24th May at st thomas' - pretty hard going birth which took us by surprise as our first was easy in comparison! hard frst few weeks as he has reflux but have got a paed appt next week which should hopefully sort him out. sorry i haven't had a chance to read through properly but has anyone else got experience of reflux??

okay going to have a proper read through now but a huge well done to everyone

congrats minimoo & perfect baguette - love the names
madame freckle -i love the name Emma & would prob have used it but have a niece called Emmy. Another windy unladylike one here too. Seem to have one better day followed by a few really bad days, dd1 was v windy & colicky & wasworse in the evening but Lauren seems a lot worse in the daytime. I thought this would be easier to cope with but spend all day rocking/walking/feeding/changing with barely a minutes peace. When it comes to picking up dd1 from school I'm shattered & still not got round to doing anything!

madame freckle i can relate to that collicky experience. it helps Fergus if i burp him a couple of times during feeding, waiting to the end seems too late, then it comes out the other end later and often painfully. i solved the head slumping problem with one of those neck pillows you take on planes
Have spent most of today, feeding or pushing fergus round in his pram to keep him asleep, this after night of very little sleep. i am quite shattered but still looking at him eating just now and thinking how cute he is. He has started smiling properly the last 2 days and that does make it all worthwhile.
Got my amby hamock thing delivered today so just need to work out how to set it up and I will have glorious nights sleep [dubious emoticon]
Hope everyone else is having lovely nights of sleep

Oh 2 more colicky baby tips, first a vibrating bouncy chair very often stops Fergus crying when he seems inconsolible, only works when the vibrator is on. Also he hates the lying down part of his pram and loves the car seat bit so I never take him out in the lying flat but

Can't remember who suggested walking up and down stairs to help with winding but thanks Admittedly our creaking wooden stairs won't be ideal at 3am when I've got s screaming baby and I'm trying not to wake the rest of the household, but it certainly seemed to help a bit this afternoon....

Another day of high pitched wind-related scresming here too...I feel so guilty when Mia looks at me and seems disappointed that I can't make it go away Ah well...

Took DD1 to visit her nursery for next year this morning - she was so excited but very disappointed to learn that I wasn't going to say goodbye and leave her for the whole morning ...at least I'm not too worried about her settling in well in September And it was DS's school sports day this afternoon, so Mia and I went down to cheer him on - bless, he has inherited my crap co-ordination and came close to last in every race, but he tried really hard and didn't get cross about losing, unlike some of his friends, so I was really proud of him

Knackered now though, and DH is back at work (and doing long hours), so need to summon the energy for 3 DCs bath and bedtimes

At least I don't have to cook dinner - our friends have been amazing and set up a meal rota for the first couple of weeks, so we've been having yummy food delivered every day since Mia was born ....sadly I'm going to have to start pulling my weight again from next week !

Oh yes - bedtime routines with 3 dcs: I put Mia down for a pre-dinner/bath snooze from 5.30-6.30, feed the other 2 dcs and bath them in that time, then let them play or watch CBeebies for 30 mins whilst I feed Mia. She then goes on playmat/in chair whilst I do their bedtime stories, teeth etc, then I put them to bed (by 7.30), bath Mia (in the large sink in her room), feed her again and put her down by about 8pm. Well, that's the theory...its a little fuzzy around the edges but it sort of works!

Good luck with the Amby Hammock goodname I'll be interested to hear how it goes. I've always quite fancied one but have been lucky enough to not really have a bad enough sleeper to justify the cost (so far, )

I second the vibrating bouncy chair suggestion. The vibrate function onours has stopped working after almost constant use by DD1 and my niece when they were tiny and I'm lost without it. My brother's paying for a new one for Alice which I'm going to pick tomorrow - anyone got any recommendations? I've seen a vibrating rocker by fisher price which turns into a toddler chair. does anyone know if these are any good?

We've had a crazy day here, have been tearing my hair out trying to divide myself between unsettled baby and tantrumming toddler. I feel like I need an extra pair of hands, or failing that a spare pair or boobs!

I got my bouncy chair from my sister and it is a fisher price flutter and chime calming vibration.

we have the fisher price one that turns into a toddler chair - have never used as toddler chair but it was the only thing that got ds1 to nap during the day from 1 month to nearly a year old, so well worth it! now already working its magic on little Parker at 2 weeks old.....

We had the newborn to toddler rocker for ds1 greensnail, and will be using again. Was v pleased with it.

Glad the stair suggestion is helping filly.

Congratulations to minimoo and baguette.

Dd had silent reflux. It is often linked to milk intolerance too, so if you are bf then you might want to try cutting out/down on dairy in your own diet to see if it helps.

Severely lacking in sleep here, but only 3 days in so hopefully will improve soon.

Minimoo!! Wondered where you'd got to. Congratulations and welcome Sebastian!

I love love love mumsnet and being in such brilliant company - I'm SO not alone with my colicky baby! I actually got a burp out of her today - Hurrah! - Walking up stairs rubbing her back. It's obviously a genius method. Thank you.

Filly - How have you managed to organise any semblance of a routine in such a short amount of time? I'm Very in awe. Is it just that necessity (having 3 children) has made it happen? I was routine-fixated from when ds was about a week old and it caused me no end of stress trying to keep it up, yet at the same time, made me feel in control. This time I seem to be the total opposite: Emma always needs feeding at precisely the time when I have 2 pans on the go and a very tired and hungry 3 year old, who is incapable of amusing himself, badgering me to play with him. I am also quite ashamed to admit that I have only given her 3 baths in 3 weeks just because I can never seem to find the right moment. She still smells divine though!!