The PESH deli for those who are realising there are real live baybees at the end of this.

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BESH BAYBEES
dontrythisathome, Bay Amaryllis born March 25.
Cheggers, twinz girlz, born April
FannyPriceless, boy, born June 8

UPDIFFED
CUNextTuesday, takes no shit from the Daily Mail, due June 28
IggyPiggy, The one who loves BUMSEX, due July 20
CurlyCasper, hospital botherer due July 21 (girl)
Skihorse, cradle snatching web geek, due July 22 (boy)
Carrots, organic hippy hunter, due July 25 (boy)
Cosmosis, the one that likes a good ride, due August 22
backinthebox, she bought a racehorse, due September 6
skatergrrrl, the one that overtook the rest, September ??
VAG, lives in De Nile, due 19 September
silversky, the biggest farter, due 21 October (first baybee)
Honeymoo, no it's not fucking indigestion, due November 2 (boy)
okiecokie, self-confessed control freak, due November 6
SomethingSuitablyWitty, benelux babe, due November 14
ReginaMonologue, big pants, 5* hotels, Bridget Jones due November 20
maswera, jungle hottie - due November (???)
PollyPoo, wants to name her baybee after the dog, The New Messiah is due December 25

Curly good girl, you sounds like you were pretty amazing during the whole thing on g&a alone. I can't help but think sometimes when they say "sorry the anaesthetist's in theatre" it must be bollocks and they know the baby's coming soon!!! Also sounds like you are doing all the right things with feeding, and nearly everyone i've spoken to says it takes a week or so to get into it, so I'm sure you will be OK.

Silver just went to supermarche. Took me 1.5 hours to get round and by the end had 2 people helping me cos I was so slow.

Muser grumpy cow symptoms are sounding familiar. At least One Born Every Minute isn't on the telly at the moment. I was a snivelling wreck and could barely hold it together watching that during early days. Also was a total bitch to Mr Moo who looks back fondly and laughs at those happy times.

Am off to garden centre now to buy some compost and gardening stuff as the 2 plants I bought several weeks ago are about to cark it.

Ski I think that sounds like a whopping big olive branch. What are you going to do? Do you see your mum often? She obviously feels the need to relate to you as a fellow mum.... Isn't it true we are all supposed see our mums in different light after popping one out?

I have a query. My lower back aches all the time. Just an all over muscular sort of ache, not a crampy feeling. More like I've been standing for a long time. Is this likely to be an early diffed thing, or is my posture just carp?

Could be either, or both. Or stress. If you are a bit antsy about the preg, and I could completely understand why you were, it may be making you tense up more than you think.

Have a google at 'sacral back massage' and see if your man can work some of the tension out. I have the same thing at the other end of the 9 months and it works wonders.

muser I was affected by the ligament softening hormones from a really early stage with both this one and LC. It may be that your posture is rubbish, or you're tense and stressed, but it may also be the preggo hormones loosening things up already in which case you need to be really, really careful about posture.

I did an Alexander Technique course which really helped if you think your posture needs work... and massage sounds wonderful!

muser I second anything that involves getting your man to perform back massage. Pregnancy is a great excuse. I bought a preggo yoga DVD (hardly used and now set for ebay) which had some really useful massages; demonstrated so the man could do them to help his missus. so there was no excuse that he did not know what to do

honey I used to think that but my MW actually went out hunting for the anaes. three times. I don't remember screaming for an epi that much!

I'm happy, happy now because Baby has had more than enough EBM from a cup and spent 15 mins on my breasts without panicking! She's now very contentedly sleeping.

Despite her feeding being way behind, she's a clever little devil. Already lifting her own head, pushing herself into a stand up when being burped, and had now worked out how to roll on to her side. I think the wrigglyness from inside the womb is going to be more than replicated in RL. Better get fit now for chasing after her!

sorry if I am neglecting any of you in my posts. It's so hard not to be Baby obsessed. I have much admiration for FP's constraint - and hope the wee man and you are continuing to mend. x

I'm not normally achey, but I'm sure my posture could be better. I shall investigate yoga things. It's really sore.

And hooray for feeding Baby! All the wriggling sounds like you are going to be running around after that one Casps.

What a fab update casps sounds like she?s really getting the hang of this being out in the big wide world lark!

caspy Constraint? Ha, I'm just feeding the monster 12 hours a day. And by the way, it's our job to be baby obsessed at the moment so don't apologise!

I am so imprssed by babycasp's physical prowess! That's amazing! And if she's now getting the hang of the feeding thing she's well on the way.

Boy has been much quicker to pick up the feeding than girl was last time around, so he's piling on the weight compared to her. The HV said there's two reasons: The milk ducts in your breasts 'know what to do' second time around, and apparently boy babies are more likely to be guzzling greedily from the start! (Old midwives tale, obv, though true that DD was much more restrained and polite to start with.)

Is so nice hearing about real live baybeez!

casp that sounds great!

muse am sure lower back cramps are normal early diffedness thing, like the others say. But I do like my fat lady yoga class, so would recommend, but they won't let you start till after 12 weeks I think?

fanny I haz feeling I has missed hosp drama? Hope your baybee ok?

Oh, yes.. Also wanted to say, am not going to post baybee name on here, but will on fb. So please not to write it on here? Fank you muchly x

iggy I am with you on that too.

Horrid day at the orifice. Tummy really aches. Must have been the supermarket sweep yesterday that did it. Plus the little person has been really quiet too. Not panicking - honest. I also think tummy is stretching which could also be contributing to the feeling.

Need to sleep.

Husband has gone down field to get hoss. Hope he manages to do so without letting the others out ! .

caspycasp all very interesting and post away dear girl for I am taking notes.

Tuesday clearly I was never designed gone a talented gambler! I will now put money on a baybee by the weekend.

honey clearly having a servant is the answer to a preggos needs. I never wanna push another trolley ever.

Forecast says it may rain tmw though the temp remains at a roasting 25 deg.

rots I did fb u back about how to wash bayberry garments. Pliz to educate the afflicted.

muser sounds like could be a variety of reasons for the pain. I recall the odd ache but nothing more than that. No doubt the constant threat of vomming should take your mind off any back ache.

I dont understand baby clothes. Why do you have vests AND baby gros? Is it one or other or both. I am buying stuff but no idea what goes with what. And what about if you have little dungarees? What's difference between what they should wear at night and day? God I am muppet. How can I be trusted to look after a baby?

Oh my, Rastus is so low and uncomfortable and my bump has gone huge at the front and tight as a drum . Feels like my ligaments are only just managing to hold it up. Wanted to go for a brief walk this evening but can barely get myself to the kitchen without being crippled...

moo I have gone mainly for vests cos of the heat, they can be worn on their own or under babygros or real clothes. On;y got a couple of long sleeved gros, not going to need them if the weather stays like this

Ooooooooh Tuesday Rastus is a-coming! My chum had similar feelings just before the big day!

Ooohhhh cunty it's your due date and things are moving on...

moo what cunty said. TBH babygrows are the easiest thing to have for the first 6-8 weeks. Don't even consider "proper" clothes unless you want to take him/her somewhere special. As you are due in November I would recommend both vests and babygrows, to have one under the other, and little, soft, fully front opening cardigans which will be easy to pop on over the babygrow. Also some cute little soft cotton hats. One coat with a hood, fully front opening (NOT hoody). Forget socks for the first 3 months unless it's to go with a specific outfit like dungarees. More trouble than they're worth and you don't need them over babygrows with feet (use a blanket if required).

cassie you're missing the point. WE'RE obsessed with hearing about your baby. WANT TO KNOW MORE!!!!! (And clearly that goes for fanny too). Sounds like things are going well with feeding - fantastic Did you hear the news about NICE changing the rules on RA treatments? Assume you did but with your being "a bit tied up" the last few days you may have missed it - if so heads up for you. (It was good news I understand).

silver sorry! Duly responded. Achy tummy horrid but normal. Get yourself a doppler FFS so you can relax when s/he's being quiet. Sometimes, you may not realise there's movement coz you're tied up with work. Stress is doing you no good m'dear

My last day at work is Wednesday and I found myself offering to come in from time to time next week. WHat the bloody hell is wrong with me???? I just can't imagine what I'll do at home... although I was so looking forward to doing nothing! Please don't think I'm being big headed but I just don't know what will happen without me. I'm not being arrogant, it's just it's my business (partly) and I'm worried about it

ski have thought long and hard and think it sounds VV positive. Imagine how hard it must have been for her to say what she said. Small steps, but maybe the start of a new start?

misplaced optimism slithery. I could never be that lucky. Have dispatched Hom to buy own body weight in choc to console me

fanks chaps, more babies soon please!! And yes, Cas we WANT to hear about ickle curly pops otherwise how on earth will I know what to do...

Bought bouncy chair on amazon this evening after seeing friends on sunday after all. 2 babies and both apparently live in theirs, so necessity methinks. Interestingly dog kind of ignored both, other than a brief lick on the foot. Sweet.

It was interesting that one is chilled out baby - belongs to mum who is much more relaxed in her approach. The other colicky and reflux baby has a mum who is much more controlled about routine etc. Do you think it's a case of you get what you're given, or can you actually effect their temperament do you think? I've been reading GF and thinking good idea, but now thinking maybe just go with flow and see what I think.

Hello...I have a date for my first appt with midwife (friday) and this morning got an appt through for first scan - July 26th, which by my reckoning puts me at about 10 weeks, so is earlier than I was expecting...is a good thing but I'm just wondering why - I assume it is because I am 'older' (pshaw.....35 is the new 21 in my book!) and have had a m/c at around 11/12 weeks....

Any thoughts? Or you may want to shake me firmly by the shoulders and tell me to get a grip. This is also fine.

Am also freaking out slightly because I'm secretly worried that now something is down on paper the whole thing is ruddy well jinxed!

Salty I found out that they do separate booking/dating scans to the nuchal scan test - or at least they did at the hospital I was originally booked in with. I left it really late to book in (as was going to go private) and then discovered that I would have had to have both separately. Luckily had already had private nuchal at about 11 weeks, so was fine and just had the dating scan. Does that make ANY sense??!!!

Might be worth ringing and checking that is the case though.

It's lovely to have in writing. If you are anything like me I was in bits the whole of the first scan - so emotional and happy everything was ok.

Oooh honey she's persona non grata here on MN you know . Reflux/colic is an absolute nightmare but has a physical cause so is nothing to do with parenting.

Bouncy chairs - genuine essential. I had a great one for LC which was adjustable from upright to flat (highly, highly recommended) which was great for his reflux - keeping him upright. £2 from a car boot sale. I don't have it anymore so we just bought one from Netto for £12 - no need to buy expensive unless you see a really cute one you really want. 100% essential the cover is EASILY removable and washable.

salty are you having nuchal scan? If so, you may want to push it on a week as they're accurate from 100 weeks to 14 weeks so depending on how sure you are on dates, being more like 11 weeks may be better (but I don't know!). Best maybe to discuss it with the scan centre?

100 weeks??? FFFS - freudian slip maybe??

100 10

Unlike honey I had dating at same time as nuchal. So, best to find out by calling them I reckon. First scan is incredible .

Thanks Honeymoo - so is a dating scan at 10ish weeks fairly standard practise? The nuchal scan is the chromosomal abnormality one, isn't it? Think I'll give the hospital a call...or maybe ask midwife on Friday..

Is indecisiveness a symptom?

Nah, I could never decide anything before or after updiffment.

I don't think there is any rule for when they date you. I essentially had about 3 dating scans, 2 privately at 6 and 8 weeks (reassurance scans due to bit of bleeding) and then nuchal privately at 11 weeks and then NHS dating at 13 weeks! From what I was told the nuchal (which is where they measure the back of the baby's neck to indicate likelihood of downs, also coupled with a blood test) can be done from 10-14 week but nearer to 12 the better as Rots said.

As you can see I have had about a gazillion scans. I would stay in there all day long if I could.

Rots going for Baby Bjorn one like my friend - witnessed her little girl accidentally poo right through her clothes onto it and you can turn the fabric around and whack in wash. Genius. I confess to spending more than £2 on Mr Moo's amazon account (which is brilliant, it's like free shopping).

I know I'm being desperately un MN by reading her book, but I actually haven't read anything I disagree with at all. She doesn't tell you to leave your baby crying or hungry or anything I had first assumed might be shocking to my maternal sensibilities. Quite the opposite really. And a lot of the advice chimes with the baby whisperer woman too. I think I will re-read it and then decide what bits I want to ignore come the time.

I liken it to when we got our puppy, having read all the 'perfect puppy' books and how to train to get them to do x,y and z. All very well, but he is a little individual and in the end you have to decide whether it's actually working for you I suppose. Listening to him bark for 2-3 hours from 4.30am for weeks on end was not something I would recommend in the early stages of pregnancy!! What the hell was I thinking???!!!! Now we all happily snore in our room, albeit him on the floor.

so many points to address, so little time before the pump calls

As per iggy - thanks all for keeping TinyCurlz's name off of here. But thank you all for the lovely comments about it on FB.

The dog! well, that has been fun. The poor mite apparently was on edge the whole time i was in hosp giving birth, and I got the BIGGEST welcome when I got back. SFF had put a used babygro in her crate the day before and she'd had a good sniff. She was very wary of baby at first, giving darting scared glances when in the same room, but eventually started to come running when baby made squeaks and small cries. But anything big and that dog was out of the room like a shot! she likes a good sniff at the moses basket etc but won't come too near if, for ex, I am changing baby on a mat on the floor, she just watches, checks all is ok and then makes herself scarce. all a bit mixed but, IMO, erring on the protective side. They did cry together at one point which I thought was sweet. Oh, and mutley trotting along beside the big pram as Gran did a couple of laps of the garden. got video of that to edit.

clothes - if you end up there for whatever reason, hospital will expect vests and baby gros combined, mainly for overnight. Baby spends most of her time here in (hot) hospital in a vest. or just a nappy for feeds and skin cuddles (most of the day). If your baby is early and in transition care, as mine was, they will be in an incubator for a bit and when transferred to a cot you have to keep their temp up - we are talking nappy, vest, babygro, cardie, hat and blanket! Yes that was my wee girl from 5am on Friday. Very Toastie! I thought I had too many vests etc, but she'd going through them at a Hell of a rate. Muslins too, But cup feeding is a messy affair.

Music - I have been putting my ipod (old style shuffle) in the cot/basket with the headphones in, but a wee bit away from baby's head, to keep up the background noise day and night. she seems to like it, but squirmed a little when Mika came on

thanks for the heads up on treatment rots.will look it up but suspect it might involve drucks I have previously been deemed not ill enough for. My theory is surely prevention is better , but if the NHS would rather pay later when I am needing more joint surgery...

I see rheumy on Thurs, so will have a plan for future meds. Think the post birth flare up is starting already and my shoulders are already sore from pumping angles and wrestling baby into a feeding position. Never played rugby, you see

Good luck for all the scans. Can't believe the Jelly Baby I saw in December is now a real human bean!

The FMC for the nuchal reco'd bang on 12 wks.

Since being home a d being waited on hand and foot, albeit with some instruction coaxing the little person has been doing a rumba. My sides still ache and I have a heavy feeling on the right hand side. Tis baybee!? Or one of the large meatballs I had for dinner?