The PESH Deli serving gin cocktails, blue cheese and softly cooked egg sarnies

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Welcoming all BESH PESH "grads". Full bar service. Today serving:

Softly scrambled eggs with a side order of prawns, moules mariniere, pate on toast, swordfish and tuna bake with a full cheese board of stilton and unpasturised brie.

I'm with Pony on the BP. It is very useful to have one for nights out, etc, but not for regular feeds. Maybe it works for some but I honestly think it's a pipedream to "share" the feeds. It's just not worth the hassle unless SFF really desperately wants to share the feeds. I had a Medela electric one which is the basic one you can buy in the shops and it worked really well after a LOT of practise. I tried a manual one and it was pants, and gave it to a friend who thought it was the beez - so who knows?

I needed to express a lot because LC had reflux which meant giving him powdered medicine. When they gave it to me I asked WTF I was supposed to do - sprinkle it on my boobs? Anyway, I mixed it with EBM and fed it in a bottle so I had the worst of all worlds - BF and bottlefeeding at the same bloody feed.

I used the Medela when I went away for the weekend sans LC and needed to express 3 days of milk for him. It took me 2 weeks at nearly every feed and when I was away I found that the expresser was nothing like as efficient as LC, and I ended up in terrible pain.

I will be getting one again if I can't find all the bits to my old one and will be getting a top end shop type electric, maybe around £50. From my previous experience that would probably not be enough for getting out enough to go back to work though and as pony says, a specialist one would be better. THis would be for getting it out for evenings out/some for the freezer/ without messing about.

This is just my experience and some people hand express with no problem, so if you can borrow one from someone it's a good idea. It's perfectly ok if it's sterlised.

Bottle warmer literally = bowl of hot water and my bottle feeding friends said they just got their babies to get used to non-heated milk anyway. I didn't bottle feed formula but LC took chilled (pre-sterlised I mean) water or BM mixed with his Gaviscon in a bottle no problem.

We picked up YOB's cot from his storage unit today - meaning literally his - and his brother's and sister's. It probably has lead paint. Still had a mangy old piece of foam for a mattress which I insisted we throw away and replace with a lovely organic wool and coir one from my shop (well why wouldn't you when you can get it wholesale?) and had to explain why it wasn't a good idea to use the same piece of foam that he, his brother and his sister all peed and pooed on when they were babies .

Try this link:

cgi.ebay.co.uk/Moses-Basket-Nappy-Stacker-Cot-Tidy-Curtains-Uplighter_W0QQitemZ200418900653QQcmdZVie wItemQQptZUKBabyNurseryCradlesGL?hash=item2ea9e5baad

OOOOH pony you have done recipe of the week!!!!!!

Have you seen this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/888789-OAA-Apologise-for-quot-Career-Women-Make-Bad-Mothers-quot

Thoughts?

I've seen the ads but wasn't offended - I thought it was a great idea to get pulses racing and people logging onto the website to argue their point.

Seems an odd thing to get wound up about. I mean, wasn't it obvious that it wasn't some MCP just spending a fortune on UK-wide ads to try to nobble wimen's rights?

ski there's a massive as campaign to promote the effectiveness of outdoor advertising and encouraging people to go to a website to discuss topical issues. It's obviously provocative but isn't that the point?

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/06/outdoor-advertising-career-women-billboards

Certainly it's worked really well. They may well have expected to have had to pull them after a short time anyway and hoped for such an outcry.

I dunno. Maybe it's just a cheap shot/campaign but as a "career woman" I'm not offended.

ski The ultimate sucking machine is this one. This is what they use in hospitals. But the same company make a home version which has exactly the same performance. Here. It retails for £95 but you can buy them second hand on ebay for around £30-40, then you buy a new sucking kit (or two) as these are the only components which touch you and your milk. To complete the look, and for the full Lady Gaga experience, you obviously need one of these. (Don't laugh, I actually have one.). Sorry, that's about as raunchy as it gets.

We looked at double buggies today. Definitely NOT going for the Mountain buggy. The double weighs a tonne and when folded up it is like trying to lift a small car. No way I'll be able to haul that in and out of the car. Now looking at the Phil & Ted Sport with double kit.

@ Lady Gaga look. Liking the XXL only size!

Do they work well though? What sort of flow rate did you get? I got about 9 fl oz at best in about 1/2 hour with mine when I was full of milk - less otherwise.

rots Surprising as it may be, I failed to devote any space in my feeble memory to such statistics. Let's just say it gushed out like a waterfall. The bustier is available from loads of places, I just thought that was the sexiest photo.

I feel unbelievably sick. I was up from 4-5am puking and I'm just through with this now.

Not long to go ski. Keep your pecker up. Holding your hand in an virtual and arm's length kind of way (emetophobia innit)

Hope you feel better soon ski. For me it is headaches. I have had one, to varying degrees, night and day for about a week now and it's really pissing me off. But i'm refusing to let it hold me back (well, outside of work anyway)

we think we have pretty much chosen our pushchair - the quinny buzz, with maxi cosi car seat. I had a good play with it in Mothercare today

Now desperately trying to find any info I can about what complications rheumatoid arthritis can cause ref giving birth. Wonder if it puts me at a higher risk of SPD etc? Bugger all info out there, other than the usual "it will get better in pregnancy, most RA mums have a normal birth, and the disease will flare up like mad a few weeks after giving birth". Fair enough, but they must have some reason to worry if ALL RA mums need consultant care... Not worrying as such, just want to be in the know. If there's, say, a 60 per cent chance I'll need a C-sec, that would be handy to know IYSWIM...

I'll stop rambling now. Have a good evening PESHies

I hope so cunty but I've been puking this afternoon too. So yep, 24/7 sickness. I've decided to give it another week and then I'm going to go to the doctor and demand anti-nausea tablets. I'm now nearly 13 weeks, I demand a cessation to this sickness! The baby (Julian) is either ravenously hungry or having me bent double over the toilet - a very contrary little chap indeed!

Curly At least I've not had the headaches, well at the end of the day my eyes are very sensitive but I think that's pretty normal really given the nature of my work.

I'm working from home again tomorrow simply because it'll give me the chance for another 2 hours sleep if nothing else.

Curly It sounds as though you'll have quite a list of questions for your consultant next visit! I agree though, it would be good to know NOW what the likely route/pain management is going to be!

pony what kind of BF expresser are you that you don't know your own stats? . Well I know know what I said coz I remember looking at the measuring line and then nearly sobbing as I threw the liquid gold all away - I was away from him for the weekend and expressing to a) stop exploding and b) keep up my supply. I just wondered if you knew just to get an idea although I guess everyone's different anyway so it wouldn't really help.

ski

casper eeew at headaches. They are really miz when you can't take anything aren't they Dunno anything about RA. You will slap me for saying this but the only thing I do know is that a pony of mine had arthritis of some kind and responded brilliantly to homeopathy. I know, I'll just put my tie die skirt back into the cupboard of patronisation. Sorry. It's just - it's there in my mind and I thought other than potentially annoying you (which I obv don't actually want to do) it may as well be said. Random A is prob totally different to RA of course and I know it doesn't answer your question about mum-specific problems especially given that the pony was male - and gelded .

I've done some googling myself and can find no useful information on actually delivering a baby if you have RA other than the limitations you may have in holding a position for any length of time - and it just says the MWs will help you with this at the time. Nothing at all that says you're more likely to have to have a CS or anything. I guess there's a RA support group type thing - would they have any information or at least people with experience?

Or (suck eggs comment) ask your consultant why you need consultant care? Is it a RA or a obstetric consultant??? Meaning if OB then what would s/he know about RA? I would expect a RA consult to know more about RA and pregnancy/delivery than a OBS consult.

Is ANY of that helpful or just garbage???

Thanks rots, think you've confirmed that it's not just my googling skills at fault - there really is bugger all out there. Even the arthritis care website has info pages on pregnancy, preparing for a new child and coping with a baby but NADA on actual childbirth (and ignorance is not bliss!)

Anyway, I've found a couple of general 'thritis forums, so we'll see what they bring. Unfortunately many women on them developed the RA later in life, well afetr having families.

Will ask MW on 23rd, but don't see consultant until end of April - that's a long time to build up questions !

And don't worry, my aunt was always comparing me (sensitive redhead) to her chestnut horses . Have tried the odd complimentary therapy, but as i'm pretty ok at the mo it's not so much treatment that is bothering me as what might happen there and then on the big day. Obv if I develop hip troubles, it'll affect my birthplan.

anyhoo, must stop the me, me, me. Ouch at all that pumping of "waste" milk .

Off to find something on TV that might keep me awake past 8.30pm...

cas the point of here is to put "me" stuff up to work through stuff. Don't stop, and thanks for taking the complimentary therapy stuff the right way. I don't underestimate how serious RA is and I didn't intend to suggest that what are essentially sugar pills will fix it (although I am very pro HP )

But of course, as you say, it's the delivery you're worried about. Maybe the lack of info means it's not a big deal??? Meaning that you won't really need additional help or be likely to have specific problems?

I'll ask mum tomorrow for you. She may have some knowledge from her MW days.

I can't see any info showing actual links between RA and SPD - what makes you think you're more prone? Isn't SPD ligaments rather than joints?

curls - I don't know the specifics about any link between SPD and RA. The cause of SPD is essentially ligaments, but the thing that really causes the problem is when the ligaments 'relax' so much that the joints in the pelvis separate and/or become misaligned. I was told that one of the things that potentially contributed to my SPD is that I am hypermobile (double jointed, thumbs bend right backwards, etc). i.e. theoretically my joints are more prone to movement even without being pregnant. I don't know whether that provides any perspective on whether RA would increase susceptibility.

ski So sorry you are puking.

Oh noes.

Ponymum's hypermobility revelation + the recent "lingerie" at 39 weeks revelation is drawing images in my brain which didn't need to be there.

carrots You've mentioned twice now that you thought your boobs were going to explode - so my question is, how do you stop bf? How do you wind it down without an awful boob explosion episode? Is this why some women are still bf'ing when the kid is 7?

Casper I have a lovely chestnut horse who can get still in her shoulde, the best for her seems to be out in the field chasing boys and having a jolly good roll. Same for you?

(still in her shoulder)

ski Well I fed LC until he was about 15 months old BUT it very slowly just got replaced with solids, so by the end it was just a feed last thing at night and sometimes in the morning as it was easier than making formula and I didn't want him to have cow's milk (he's intolerant of it now according to recent allergy scans so I'm pleased I avoided it then).

The boobs exploding in Oxford with Metallica fans story was when he was 100% breastfed at age 3 months and I was away from him for 3 days. By the time BF stopped it didn't cause me any discomfort to stop. It was his decision to stop so he'd just drink less each time and therefore they naturally just stopped making as much. Other than being away from him that weekend I never had problems with leaky breasts, and rarely did I get engorged or in any discomfort as long as I fed regularly.

cas not sure if this helps at all, but:

www.rcm.org.uk/midwives/news/midwifery-led-care-as-safe-as-consultant-led-care/

Pony thinks up more ways to frighten poor skihorse...

Have I ever mentioned the naked skydiving?

You lot are FREAKING me out...

Just told my boss... she took it quite well - oddly...

cassie sounds like you need to speak to the consultant - who at least should have previous experience of people with RA giving birth? My mum has it - but in later life - so not the same...

ski boo to the puking... is it week 14 which most people stop feeling shit by? Am sure I read that somewhere...

pony am liking your pram suggestions - need something that means I can also walk the dog (ie, something you can push one handed) that will cope with a bit of rough terrain... Bloke has decided he likes the look of ones with 3 wheels..

rots also interesting recommendations for sling things... all confusing to me... wish there was somewhere that gave you a list of what you actually need...

while we are talking slings, can I plug my mate? www.littlepossums.co.uk/

Cool website cossie which one tho?!

Because I live in Yorkshire, I plan to be purchasing mainly from Ebay, Gumtree and NCT sales (apart from carseat and mattresses). I see no point at all in shelling out for new.

cossie I was planning on that too actually I have already had a quick look on ebay... didn't think of gumtree... off there now..