Due May 2010: how much longer can we survive on crackers & crumpets?

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19 May - cupcakefairy, 25, #1

LuckyC - perhaps the baby is playing with a toy car?!
How sweet! I'm very
I'm still desperately trying to feel movements - not a sausage, despite being over 16 weeks. I thought something was happening the other morning, but it was wind!

Lucky c..could be movement

re celvapen..Im in Wales so we dont have PCT'S but Local Health Boards and our LHB has been completely unhelpful and said that they no nothing about it...surgery are only offering panderemix and if I dont take up the offer within the next week..I will be re,moved from the vaccination list and not able to change my mind at a later date

Suey, yes small world. Our office is on old street, at the town hall end. I'll find a way to message you with my contact details. Coffee would be fun.

Re movement, ever since Saturday I've been excited to wake up in the night, hoping i'd feel the same thing. No luck so far though and I'm beginning to think I did dream the whole thing. Still, it was a great dream

There's been an announcement to say pregnant woman can have celvapan but no one has told us anything (I'm a GP) Here the hospitals were vaccinating pregnant women but have now announced that they're finished this - unilateral decision and no one has told us anything about that either - or which patients on our list have had it and which haven't. We haven't been given any celvapan but have been given some pandemrix but nowhere near enough of them to vaccinate all the at risk people on the practice list (about 1000) We sent out letters to the at risk patients as soon as we received supplies of the vaccine - 150 doses in the first week but we only received 40 doses for the next 2 weeks - cue lots of really annoyed patients - understandably and totally not our fault. Children under the local allergy service with known egg allergy can get celvapan at the hospital but no one else can because they haven't got supplies to deal with that, apparently. Last week the local politicians announced that all under 5s would be getting offered the vaccine but we haven't been told exactly who to offer it to (up to 6th birthday or up to 5th birthday - 1 or 2 vaccines etc, under six months or just from six months and when we take as the date - when we start or end vaccinating) or where or when we'll be getting extra vaccines to start on the kids as we still have huge backlog of the at risk patients to do or do we start them at the same time - whos the priority. It's so badly oragnised by the department of health it beggars belief. I realise some GPs are twats but they may not just be being arsey about all this. I have no idea if the organisation is better in other parts of the UK than it is here.

Mollybob, are you having the vaccine?

Ive been to see the midwife and because my midwife was busy with a patient..another midwife attempted to listen in..after 5 mins she gave up and fetched my usual midwife who picked it up straight away! I also heard it move on the doppler too so Im obviously just not feeling it right now.
Midwife was gobsmacked how high my womb is she said its measuring 22 weeks so baby is obviously growing well..she said it was firmer on the right so baby has obviously tucked itself over to one side and possibly has its limbs facing inwards..hence not feeling things at the mo..the midwife is lovely and said she completely understands why Im anxious.

Glad you have a lovely midwife, memory. Mine warned me today that it might take her some time to find the heartbeat, then I lay there stressing my head off as she took about five minutes to track it down! She kept hearing mine and I swear you could hear my heartbeat getting faster and faster as I kept expecting the worst. Then that lovely reassuring swooshy wind-in-trees beat - phew....

yes and i'm having pandemrix as I've looked into it and am happy enough - it's easy for me to get one as they come in vials of 10 and generally after we've done a clinic there's one or so left over - we try booking patients in blocks of ten but there is always someone who can't be jabbed because they are unwell or someone who doesn't turn up. I probably had swine flu when I was 6 weeks pregnant so haven't rushed into getting it (they wouldn't swab me but had all the symptoms but no adverse effect on sproglet - phew) - some people get a bit nauseated a day or so after and with the hyperemesis I don't need any more nausea! If the hyperemesis doesn't settle then I'll get it at 16 weeks anyway. The impact in late pregnancy is terrifying for some women and I don't want to take the risk as have DH, DS and DD who need me.

So pleased all is well memorylapse - sounds like a comfortable chilled out baby

Mollybob - my docs were lovely and didn't know what was going on - sounds as if all docs are in the same boat.

I went to my PCT this afternoon, informed them of the letter that had been sent out on 19 Nov, they looked into it and said they'd be contacting GPs asap. They were going to have a meeting this afternoon about it. Apparently my GP's surgery will call me within 72 hours and offer me Celvapan - and wherever it will be should be closer (the PCT said I shouldn't have to drive the hour to the two places my GP's surgery told me about).

So it was worth a few phone calls...

Luckyc..my heart started racing too the more she struggled to get it!..but there was no mistaking babies..although mine was fast babies was much faster..MW said sometimes it can be hard to find at this stage as they have masses of room so can easily hide in a cosy corner

Hi everyone

Just about managed to read through the posts I have missed! I seem to have been quite busy the last few days which has limited my web time so apologies for not replying to everyone.

I am 17+3 today and am sure I am getting some flutters but then I worry when I haven't felt them for a good while. I think they feel like I have chords in my uterus and that the baby is twanging them! I am gaining weight through eating too much food but also think I have a bit of a bump now which IMO I think is getting obvious at work as I am in my normal clothes so i told my boss today and he was really nice which is a relief since I have had 2 maternity leaves quite close together already.

pamelat I feel the same re my DS who is 23months old and takes every cold to his chest and then needs anti biotics to clear it, I would like to protect him by getting him vaccined but then again if something happened to him as a result I would be devasted.

Memorylapse really glad you heard the baby's heartbeat

I had my 16 week midwife appointment today, only to find that when i got the docs that it was cancelled as she was attending a home birth. So they have booked me into see the doctor tomorrow. Was really hoping to hear the twins heartbeats.

Also had a call offering me the SF jab. but would only offer me panderemix as that is all the MOD has got in stock. (DH is in the RAF). So going to say no.

I am still getting over the cold/flu thing i had last week. DH had to drive me the 130 miles to my mums as it completely knocked me off of my feet. But even that could have been swine flu as DH, DD and me all had the symptoms and still have a sore throat and nasty cough. Really hope it goes soon.

I've got my 20 week scan on 22nd December and can't wait to see the twins again.

I can feel movement and i can see my belly move too, so i am assuming one twin is infront of the other. I doubt the doc will be able to confirm that tomorrow.

Sophie2008 - I have just looked at your profile (I promise I'm not a stalker!) and it was spooky, reading, x-stitch, due in May next year, RAF wife! Dare I ask where in west mids you are?

To everyone else, I'm sorry I keep falling off this thread - I'm also being useless at keeping up with my post-natal thread from DD last November if that makes you feel any less neglected

I'm off to read some more of the chat, if I can stay awake. I didn't realise how much better I've been feeling but today has been like a normal day 2-3 weeks ago. Partly because we've had a couple of financial kicks in the guts and with me tired and down are closely related, but still hoping for a good nights sleep.

Hope you're all well, back later, hopefully

Yorky I am in Cosford at the minute, but due to move to East Anglia in February. Can't wait to leave here!

Wow - that was quick - have you been here long? Have you had a bad time? We've not quite been here a year but it seems OK

Yorky We would have been here a year in December. DH is an SAC and is being treated like shit at the min, anyone would think they are two year olds.

We are in married quarters and the house is shit. Could not fit everything in it from the last one and got told tough. So we have made the best we can of it, with almost everything crammed in.

Are you in married quarters too?

Evening all just checking in see what everyones been up to

Re SF - I think I am getting the jab, reasoning is that the risks of the vaccine well none of them are proven, it's all up in the air might be a risk stuff but the risks of getting SF especially in late pregnancy are very real and that swung it for me

I have been feeling the baby move now as well, like fingers ticking me from the inside am 17 weeks tomorrow

Was in agony from SPD/PGP yesterday taken a bit easier today though but still getting good old twinges, it's mostly in my right hip as it was the past 3 times, which makes driving sore as well braking and then not braking IYSWIM oh well I did expect it

Right I'm off for a nice long hot shower night all x

Hi all...thanks for the support re shape changes and dh's reactions! Glad it's not just me! After my moody weekend I'm more resigned to weight gain this week and decided to enjoy the curves!

Welcome to newbies..tinylion I'm still scoffing eveything in sight at 14+6, and mostly carbs! Dunno when it'll stop!

Hollyoaks sorry they moved your due date but don't worry about being at the end of the month..we'll all be here I don't think these threads should move to post-natal until everyone is post-natal otherwise the poor end-of-month ladies end up as billy-no-mates!

LuckyC when I thought I felt baby move it was literally like a tiny stick poking me from inside, twice in a row. But it could have been anything

ML really glad baby is ok and wow to measuring 22 weeks! This one's a keeper I reckon you should negotiate finishing your tenancy early...after all he is the one who messed you about by changing plans.

My 20 wk scan isn't til 8th Jan! of all you who get to see bubs again before Christmas!

Hi Hollyoaks - I expect this one will be June as both DS and DD were 2 weeks late so I can keep you company

Hi everyone!
Hollyoaks You are due the same day as me! I am hoping to make it to my due date this time (DS was 6 weeks early) so i'll be around.
Whens your next scan? i've got to wait till 19th jan!!!! forever!!!!!!

Has anyone else not heard anything from there dr's re swine flu jab? I also have asthma so thought i would get a call or letter!?

There have been so many posts since i last popped on i cant keep up!!! Hope everyone is well

hi girls...
have tried to pick up on the whole swine flu vein going this this thread, but seem a bit lost.
i was wondering if someone could explain to me about the difference between celvapan and panderemix which seem to be mentioned quite a lot. it one generally considered not acceptable for pregnant women?
had finally decided to get myself and 10mth ol DS1 vaccinated but am not sure now...
can anyone help clear things up for me?
ta xxx

I got my letter re SF from the GP last week and am booked in for it on Monday. I'm having Pandemrix as DH and I feel like sweetkitty - the risks of not having the jab are greater than having it. I'd also rather have Pan. than Cel. as that way it's only one injection instead of 2; I spoke to a GP I met last night and she has had it and is going to get her dd to have it as well.

She said that they had been sent statistics of how many SF jabs had been administered round the world and how many serious adverse effects there had been and that the proportion was no worse than any other type of vaccine.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to is feeling rubbish as it sounds as though most people feel rough for about 24 hours after. I must remember to have it in my right arm as I sleep on my left and so really don't want to have a disturbed night afterwards!

newmomma I don't know a lot about either vaccine. In fact, its only from reading on mumsnet that I made the decision that I would prefer cevalpan. Mollybob will be better placed to advise but something about adjuvacents (spl?) in the other one, which (again only from third hand info on mumsnet) I have read speed up the effectiveness of the jab (hence one dose instead of two). I read (only on here) how that can cause your body to over react to anything foreign (almost super builds your immune??) and if pregnant, tiny possible risk of your body reacting to the baby.

However, I dont want to scare people off having it. In fact I may well have it myself soon!!

There is a thread somewhere on mumsnet (where people who know a lot more about it than me!!) are discussing pros and cons of each vaccine.

I was against the vaccine but have come round. however, I would prefer cevalpan.

Swine Flu - Right haven't fully caught up with the thread yet, just noticed memorylapses's post about her unhelpful health authority.

Here is the link to the thread about celvapan being available.

Here is the link to the letter sent out by the National Director of NHS Flu Resilience, Department of Health which you can print out and take to your doctor but here's the important bit you may want to read:

Vaccination of pregnant women

You will be aware that there has been a fair amount of media coverage around the
swine flu vaccine over the last couple of days, particularly around the safety of the
vaccine and whether pregnant women should have the vaccine. Given that pregnant
women are particularly vulnerable to complications should they get swine flu, the
Department of Health strongly recommends that pregnant women should have the
vaccine.

While ultimately, whether to have the vaccine or not is a personal choice, it
is important that healthcare staff have the right information available to provide to
their patients about the vaccine, how it will protect them and how it has been tested
to ensure safety. Please be reminded of the information that is available to support
the vaccination campaign on the Department?s website, including an information
leaflet and Q&A at www.dh.gov.uk/swinefluvaccinetools

I am aware that there have been a number of instances of pregnant women
requesting the (Baxter) Celvapan vaccine when they have been offered the (GSK)
Pandemrix vaccine. The JCVI recommended that pregnant women should be given
Pandemrix since a one-dose schedule with this vaccine gives excellent protection
against the virus. It therefore gives much more rapid protection than would be
afforded by the two-dose Celvapan schedule. Expert scientific advice is clear that
thiomersal-containing vaccines, such as Pandemrix, do not present a risk to pregnant
women or their babies.

However, as it is better to be vaccinated than not at all, and, if
a pregnant woman does not wish to receive Pandemrix, despite receiving clear
advice about the more rapid protection this would offer, PCTs should ensure that
there are arrangements in place for her to be able to receive Celvapan, and that GPs
are aware of these.

I'm not sure how much power that gives you, but do wave it under the doctors nose and threaten to take it further if you get a point blank "no"!

The only reason they're pushing pandemrix so much is that it's CHEAPER because you only need one jab whereas with celvapan you need two. That's why it contains nasties like squalene, because it speeds up your protection and makes it so you only need one jab rather than two.

Right ok, off to read the thread now!

Newmomma - all my info is gleaned from MN - have a look at the Swine Flu threads - there are some very knowledgeable people on there.

After much toing and froing, I decided on Celvapan, because of the adjuvant and also because the German Medical Association had advised against pregnant women being given Pandemrix. I think Switzerland had too.
This is all from memory! ANyway, I think the risk of either vaccine is small, and if I hadn't been able to get Celvapan, I think I would have accepted Pandemrix. Not too happy about having the vaccine, but the risk of getting SF seems higher than any possible risks associated with the vaccine.
That's my reasoning, anyway!

Still waiting for the GP to call and offer me Celvapan - the PCT said it could be 72 hours... NOw I've decided to get it, I just want to get it over and done with.