Due in June 2009 – let the eviction process begin!!

[lauraloo09]

I hope I've done this right - here is the new thread...and hopefully the last in ante-natal

Hi lovely Juners!!
Have read and taken notes as my brain is all mushy today

Effie, oh my! That's amazing news!! We're so happy to hear he's better, hope you can cuddle him in no time. ((Hug))

Mrsmc, LOL at your thoughts during bathtime! sorry you're feeling a bit down, I sympathise!!!!

Insy, I guess keeping busy with little things is the best we can di, huh?

Daisy, nice holidays in Sept!! Thanks for sharing your exp re. BF!

LittleS, can't even remember if I posted after seeing LO's pics he's gorgeous!!! That pic where he's yawning is the best!! My DH went all 'awwww' on it

Ineed, glad to hear things are going fine. Enjoy your trip to town

Bunny, yes, she's gone and with not much fuss, thank GOD! I agree re the Apprentice. Yasmina might have sold herself with words but cannot believe a restauranteur would admit to making and selling crap food and get away with it!! Yes, she won that task but the client surely was never going to contact her again and that MUST count! Then I can't believe no one mentioned the 'gross and net profit' faux pas she made, which in my opinion is unforgiveable for sb who claims to be a businessperson!! Sorry, got carried away with this

Tee, glad you had a good night's sleep. Not long now!!! I'm actually a bit envious you know the date when LO is coming and don't have to be doing your head in

Silk, LOL at your comment re Phillip.

Ermin, hi! Thanks for your advice re BF

Rose, I totally sympathise!!!!

Nemo, good luck at the appt! Keep us posted.

June, DH saw those but we haven't bought one yet either

Choccie, sorry you had a bad night. Rest!! No guilt, woman!!

Laura, hope things kick in soon!!! Absolutely with you re mind games!!!

Ok, after the apprentice last night ctx started kicking again and from 12 to 1am I had 21 ctx! Some of them lasting 2min! I called the BC and they asked me to go, if I wanted, so as to check me and in any case I went home if nothing was actually happening. I kept having ctx, she did an AN check and let me be until 4, when she examined me and I was 1.5cm dialated. Oh yes, only! I felt loads of pressure on my vagina and had a runny episode in the loo but apparently it was all another false alarm. She did a sweep while examining me and told me she'd be back in two hours. Lots of activity, walking, bouncing, list to my HB cd, and at 6.30 she examined me again and told me I was 2cm, cx efaced and thin but only 2. So I said 'I'm going home' she said things were definitely happening and not to be discouraged, very sweet of her. We came home and I slept from 7 to 11.30, very uncomf now, back pain and cramps, irreg ctx so I give up, girls!!

I sent DH to work as I felt guilty for keeping him here if maybe nothing was going to happen and it sort of makes me feel more pressure, if that makes sense at all

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but it takes me aaaages to write from my blackb.

Hope you have lovely days and that more babies come soon!!!

(((Waves)))

Oh Naat seems like you're having a v long pre-labour. First time can often be like that - never mind, next time everything is more likely to pop open faster .

insy My 3rd stage has just happened v easily and quickly 5-10 mins after birth. I think if it started taking ages and I felt that I wanted to be holding babe or having a shower then I'd be more interested in having the injection, but luckily the placenta always plopped out whilst the MWs were weighing baby or during the first breastfeed (I was on a birthing stool - perfect position). If you're anaemic or have other medical issues they might advise you to have the injection to safeguard against haemmorrhage, but most women's afterbirth will come out on its own.

Anyone planning on making pate out of it ?

eeeww @ placenta pate

Fancy pate again post birth but not that kind

Naat - take heart from the fact that you are definitely labouring. your cervix is thinning and effacing. This is what people talk about when they say they were in labour for 4 days!! It's not always full on. At some point this week it will really kick in and you'll get to meet your little baby Lucky you

Insy - I'm actually 38+4 then as we're due the same day Maybe there is a well known middle of the 38th week hormonal low

Still haven't been for that walk. Not sure whether to do that or go to sleep

I'm 38+5 and definitely feeling EXTREMELY IMPATIENT . It's the weight of my v low belly that really doesn't help...

Back from the park, post office and coffee with a friend (she?s due in 3 weeks) so feel a little happier though still down (which isn?t really like me).

Daisy - sorry to hear that you are back in limbo land thanks for your nice words for me, I think part of feeling low is just being unable to do the things I?d really love to with DS right now, I know we haven?t got much more precious time alone together but I also know that I could (or would if I could) be using it much more wisely, makes me very tearful!

Ermintrude ? I thought that it was the other way round, the foremilk is the watery thirst quenching stuff followed by the more calorific hindmilk which is why you have to be careful not to move them to the other side too soon. My DS was a similar feeder/suckler to your DD, there for hours! I was so envious of my friend whose little girl could drain a boob in 6 minutes!

Littlesarah ? ahh for big sis time don?t do too much today lady!

Hey Dreamy ? enjoy your quiet day (well relatively with a 2 yr old in tow!)

Silkcushion & Roseability ? sending you virtual chocolate cake that would certainly help me feel better if I could get hold of some?.! Like you ?excited? is not really how I feel at the mo! More anxious I?d say!

Hi Laura poor you with the cramps.

Poor you Nemo sounds like you?ve got the pregnancy blues too. When is your appointment?

June ? those messages and enquiries become irritating believe me! I was like you before I had DS, I looked at everything I had and knew how to work it all etc etc. It was so worthwhile when he arrived! I have a couple of those pampers mats on my bed, just in case!

Choccie ? sorry you had a bad night lovely to have got all your jobs done!!

Looouise ? I feel so glad that I can ignore British politics now that I am abroad without feeling ignorant, it is so liberating. That said, Spanish politics are even worse! Great news on your names and have fun tonight

Insy ? like you I should try and rest when DS does but never do. Mind you coming on here is sort of relaxation I reckon. Re the 3rd stage, one of the reasons that I didn?t want mine managed was because I was worried that the drugs would give me a migraine as I am very susceptible but that isn?t a con for you if you?ve had it twice before without one. Another con is the need to cut the cord before it stops pulsing so the baby doesn?t get the drugs; I felt I wanted to give DS the chance to take on board as much of that blood as he could. There is also a risk with the syntometerine that your uterus clamps down too quickly and retains ?products? which then means surgery to recover them but again, you haven?t had issues like that before so that is unlikely to happen to you. The pros are time, it can be time consuming to wait for the placenta to come naturally (but I only waited 20 mins) and there is also less risk of haemorrhaging if you have the jag. That?s all I can remember at the mo sorry!!

Ohh Naat what an eventful (but not quite eventful enough!) night you had. Really can?t be long until you get over the next hurdle! Thinking of you!

So we had no new moon or full moon babies then!!

MrsMc you're right, foremilk is the initial drink to quench thirst and then they get stuck in for the actual 'meal'. I described them completely the wrong way round - nobody would believe I'm having my 3rd...

TAKE NOTE EVERYONE!!

Thank you for putting it right, could have caused no end of confusion..

Naat - you are doing really well

It took me 11 very painful hours in hospital to dilate to 1cm with DS1. My cervix just would not open so to hear that you are 2cm and not in too much pain its great. It won't be long now.....very exciting.

Thanks for all the BF advice. She seems so much more settled now, I think the engorgement is easing off a bit.

3rd stage - for those of you asking about it. I had a managed 3rd stage with DS as after a 7 hour back to back, ventouse and forceps delivery I just wanted it all over to spend time with DS. The doctor was yanking on it so much. My SIL also had a managed delivery and the MW actually tore the cord from the placenta she was yanking on it that much.

However, 1 week later, I ended up back in hospital on a drip with a womb infection from 'retained products'... urgh! Apparently it is a rare side effect.

I had a natural delivery with DD this time round and, though it was a pain as it took about 45 mins, and I had to push like in labour, it was actually really good. I got a good look at it afterwards, and I'd thoroughly recommend having a peek at it as it's amazing to think that it kept your LO alive all that time.

For those who haven't had a natural 3rd stage, you have to stay 'attached' until the cord stops pulsing, then they clamp and cut (and pass LO to your birth partner) and then you start pushing with your contractions. There's no tugging involved (or wasn't in my case) and then you deliver the placenta.

The MWs were applying gentle pressure trying to get me to have the jab, but I resisted.

Either way, you'll be so enamoured by your LO it doesn't really matter.

Love to all xx

I'm 40+1 now, hehe feeling like "an elder" or something LOL. I had kinda stopped counting for a while.

silk You could come round my house and help me organise it, sounds like you've got everything sorted :D

I tidied up some of the office (well, everything that's not baby related is in a tray to file now, I guess that's something.)

But I have my priorities right, I just had my nails done :D Now I just need a bit of lunch and then a quick trip to the supermarket.

naat sounds like things are moving on for you! Fingers crossed not too long to wait now!

mrsmc Sometimes when I'm down nothing will cheer me up, and the the mood just lifts up. I don't know why/how.

Speak to you later!

insy the mw advised me to have the injection for third stage because the sonographer found a (small, 9mm) fibroid in my uterus which could cause more bleeding.
I don't know if it got bigger since, that was at the 20w scan.
Actually has that happened to anyone else?
It was found out at the same time as some soft markers on the baby so I really didn't think about it much at the time. That kind of thing should probably be monitored at some point to make sure it's not getting bigger or cancerous or whatever...
Oh well on that nice thought I'm going shopping.

Hi all,

Just checking in after a necessary doze.

3rdstage - mine was natural. Placenta came out within 5 minutes and all fine. I think she may have asked me to push a couple of times but can't particularly remember. I remember being absolutely fascinated by the placenta. She asked me if I wanted to look at it and I was about to say 'no' but was so pleased I said yes. It is the engine of the car, so to speak, and I felt I owed it some respect for what it did to look after LO in the womb all that time.

naat - how agonisingly slow. I can relate. Any more contractions and I would have been there last night too, as were 5 mins apart but just not quite strong enough, and then trailed away later. But getting to 2cm is more than you think. Sometimes you can move quite fast with the later cm's....i.e. getting from 7cm - 10cm can be quite quick with many, so you never know what may happen next.

mrsmcjnr - I know what you mean. I worry too that my daughter is becoming a complete TV head as sometimes the only way I can get a nap (when I really have to) is to go to bed with her and turn on CBeebies. I feel so bad and it's the absolute last thing I want to be doing. Would much rather be playing and doing special things like you say.

hiya all

3rd stage as this is my first I am unsure of what to do, wether to do it natural or have the injection, suppose i best put some thought into that

mrsmcjnr I hope your feeling a little better than what you were earlier x

daisy how are you feeling after your doze?

Well I have been a bit productive today. Tidied dh and i's room...which really needed to be done I then went for a 2 mile walk along Greenock's Esplenade and you should have seen some of the peoples faces as i walked by, you could tell they were thinking/worrying that I was going to pop lol . I really enjoyed my walk and lifted the horrible mood i was in but now I have had some back pain, BH and cramps but again very irregular!

hi all

well still no baby here! had a good app with the doctor this morning though, she did a sweep (quite uncomfortable!!) and said my cervix is soft and actually 2cm dilated!!! hooray!! she has booked me in for induction on friday but says she will be suprised if i need it! havent had ANY pains today though and have been very active doing lots of walking and playing with dd as much as i can!

Mrsmcjnr, June and all those feeling down - me too! its all sooooo tiring and seems never ending! this is definitly the worst bit, just the unknown and waiting around and the constant text messages and phone calls asking if there is any news is enough to drive me potty! this will all be a distant memory very soon though!! try to keep your chins up!

Naat & Daisy - sorry to hear about your false labour again! how frustrating. The real thing has got to come soon for you both!

Pleased to hear everyone with babies are doing well despite sore afterpains and bf. hopefully some more of us will join you soon!

Effie - great news about Rupert. hope he continues going from strength to strength.

Littlesarah - i'm on facebook as lynn downing, i have 125 friends if that helps??

hi to everyone else, dd is nagging me for more food now so i best go (shes a bottomless pit at the mo!!)

Sounds like a few of you are getting really close now. There will be a few "Buses" arriving soon .

I just got an e mail from friends of ours (DH's best friend, best man etc) saying that himself and wife are having a house warming party on the 27th. I e mailed back that it would be highly unlikely that I would make it as too soon after having had baby (if had it by then) but I get the feeling that dh is intending to go. How would you ladies feel about that??? I just feel so anxious about coping with 3 small kids already with dh around at the start that I really think they are asking a bit much for me to do it all on my own.

mrsmc and daisy Don't be guilty about the TV. My DS is constantly complimented by teachers on how well-informed he is and he got most of it from CBeebies . There are some really good informative progs as well as entertainment and it's not full of adverts so I always told myself it was fine...

june i have a few small fibroids, nobody's ever mentioned them in relation to 3rd stage.

Hey guys

Breastfeeding advice required! My breasts are massive, and hard, but milk still seems very colostrum-y. Alex feeds loads it seems but they hardly seem to go down at all. They are huge and hard and stay that way! I'm getting a bit nervous about milk blockages, mastitis, etc. I did pump a bit of milk out just now to take edge off but still huge... does my body think I have birthed a football team?

Dh is out taking sis to airport basically because MIL is an inconsiderate numpty. She should have been doing it, in dh's car, sent wee sis here after school and then phoned to say oops I'm still in Motherwell so won't make it back on time. So annoyed. (How ironic it is Motherwell too, Mother well indeed! Have cancelled two visitors and feel upset to be left alone with ds so soon, don't think dh will be back til 8ish.

Did have a lovely day at the beach though!

Naat - Baby is coming! S l o w l y, but definitely! Surely days away!

Daisy and laura - You two will also have babies very soon I'm sure, sorry to hear things are so frustrating, I know it is horrible waiting and I was on bloody time!

3rd stage - Natural this time and very easy, kind of like daisy. There are lots of differences, I had a whole booklet on the issue but I think both are usually totally fine. There is some evidence that natural can mean a bit more bleeding but in relation to how much there is anyway not that much!

Have fun tonight looouise, glad the names are finally nailed down!

Hello to everyone else...

(Alex just finished feeding and breast still gargantuan...)

LittleS my sister had exactly this problem. Usually 32G, she went up to 34JJ and beach balls doesn't cover it! Baby seemed to be feeding but milk wasn't coming in, baby wasn't gaining weight and she was engorged and sore. She got a b/f counsellor to come round who advised she wasn't getting the right latch - hence the pain - and baby was only sucking at the nipple, partly becase of the engorgement. So she did the following:

a little bit of expressing before feeding, to reduce the beach ball pressure and encourage milk supply

made sure baby was lively and hungry before feeding so would really want to suck rather than sleepy half-hearted attempts

really worked on the latch and getting baby's jaw right open and most of the nipple inside

massaged the breast gently during feeding to ensure milk was coming out - making sure she wasn't flooding baby's mouth!

used hot flannel on breast during feeding, gently massaging breasts in hot bath etc. to push more milk out and reduce engorgement

It took a few days of this to get it right and then all was well and 9 months later baby is still feeding like a trouper and is plumper than even the f/fed babies from the NCT group!

Ineedmore ? totally agree, I was in awe of the work the placenta had done for DS and I had to see it to thank it having lost a baby due to placenta problems I felt very grateful to one that did all it was meant to I fully intend to thank this one too (even though it has stopped me from getting any good 3d photos due to being anterior!)

Daisy ? if only Cbeebies would hold DS?s attention, he?d rather be throwing balls from his ball pit into the neighbour?s garden below or climbing on the garden furniture and then flinging himself off without a care for injury bet DD loves being snuggled up to you when you are napping and will remember that as special time

Lllynnn ? that?s great news let?s hope the sweep gets things going and you beat that induction date. I have an appointment in the morning. I wonder if they?ll check anything other than the monitor this time having my usual Monday night fears about them releasing me! Might put the labour bag in the car just in case they won?t and I need supplies! I think I have been having some mild contractions so it?ll be interesting to see if anything shows up on the monitor.

Choccie ? be tough, only let him go if you feel up to it on the day. DH went to a smoking dinner and stayed overnight at his folks when DS was a week old. I didn?t know how I?d feel until the day so we decided to make the decision then.

Littlesarah ? it?s still early hon, your boobs will settle down and chances are DS is only taking the tiny amounts that he needs. Keep having hot showers and using hot flannels and looking out for any red segments, vary positions too to make sure you are moving the milk from all areas. How inconsiderate of your MIL

My mother has already started her niggling comments about her disgust at women breastfeeding in public she was part of the reason that BFing DS was so stressful after we moved to Spain she was forever humiliating me by covering me up in a really over the top way I had to use protectors so it was hard to be really discreet especially as I have big boobs! I have told her in no uncertain terms that I will be feeding the baby wherever and whenever I need to and that I have the law on my side so she?d better get used to the idea. She BF the 3 of us but it?s becoming clear that she only did so for a little while in the privacy of her bedroom in fact, I was 10 when my youngest sister was born and I have no memories at all of her feeding her ? just in case I am wording this badly, it?s not the choice of whether or not to BF that is bugging me here it?s her inability to understand how difficult life is if people make it hard for you to BF when you need to or want to.

Thinking of you all tonight, especially Naat and all the ladies feeling low I?m off for a nice bath but may pop back later

Mrsmc - I will never get over how good your posts are!" You always remember everyone.

Yes I have told DH to hold his horses on that house warming party until we have got the baby and see how we go. The problem may not be the baby and the tiredness for me but I have 2 DS's and DS1 is a very demanding child. He is like 3 kids in 1 sometimes I kid you not!

I've had a bit of an up and down day today. DS1 screamed for 30 mins this morning refusing to get himself dressed. He is overtired as can never switch off at bedtime and doesn't get enough sleep. By the time he got dressed (I ignored his tantrums and had brekkie with DS2) I felt drained. Then when I collected him from school his teacher said there had been some class mates of his complaining that he has been mithering them, prodding them etc. He was sent to the next class room for punishment
Last week there were complaints he was licking other students!His behaviour is really going down hill and I am praying it picks up again before lo arrives.

Then we spent this afternoon at the next door neighbours celebrating their little girls 4th birthday. For anyone that remembers - this is the little girl that was seriously ill in January and was told she was permanently brain damaged. She is home after 5 months in hospital, many scares, being paraylsed etc and she can now talk normally, see in 1 eye and is starting to move around Anyway, it was a very special afternoon and the kids all had a ball on the bouncy castle whilst I treated myself to a glass of champers. Then when we returned home DS1 kicked off again. I am so drained and so nervous as to how I am ging to cope with him once the baby arrives.
(ok I will stop ranting now).

Hope you manage to sort out your boobies soon Littlesarah.

I also have been plopping my kids in front of cbeebies quite a bit as I have very little energy at times .

Any updates from those of you having cramps, pains etc??????

I am having loads of painful BH's once again. They come every evening and can last for about 2 hours.

hi all - shattered and off to bed but trying to keep up with you all! just popped in to see if we had any more baby news

3rd stage thanks for all your comments, I've done some more reading and think I'll try for natural 3rd stage if birth and baby all ok as can't really see any reason not too, june I recall I was advised to have it with ds2 as I had heavy bleeding during pregnancy, to be honest I didn't question it as I had had it with ds1.. must talk to mw about it next time I see her but its not been mentioned this time and I've had no bleeding

choccie I'd like to hold your hand throughout coping with 3 children, I feel like the longer I have to wait for this baby the more time I have to dwell on how on earth I might cope, the boys are doing ok but ds1 was on the edge today aswell (maybe something in the air today then ) swinging from almost tantrum and back again and the typical 3 yr old 'why?' all day which is exhausting, both him and ds2 are watching far too much telly, I did take them to playgroup this am but felt like I didn't have the energy to play. ds2 has been shouting all day, he is at that horrible stage of knowing what he wants and not having the communication skills to express it - like I say they aren't too bad I just find them exhausting and wonder how I'm going to meet another childs needs especailly being immobilised by bfeeding
No idea what the answer is but glad someone else is feeling the same as I don't know anyone else with 3 children, norm among the mums I know is to stop at 2! maybe I am mad!

Hi all,

Have just read and forgotten everything, Thanks for all the congratulations (dh was infromed in no uncertain terms what to say!!!)

Sending positive birth vibes to all of you yet to drop.

Will be back tomorrow with the full run down am going to try and get some sleep before little miss starts tonight, (n between the after pains)

For bf advice there is usually a bfc (tiktok is one of the best) around on mn on the feeding boards so if in any doubt post over there as they are brilliant!!

As for engorgement cabbage leaves are good (very bizarrely i know)

Rght that's all I can think of for the mo

Night night

insy- have been having the same omg what have I done how will I cope thing, so far it's been ok but haven't been on my own yet but I did forget how much LO's sleep!!! yeah!!!

Hey guys

Thanks for breastfeeding advice! I was wondering about latch on ermin so I shall have a little look at that tomorrow, tonight I am too knackered!

Might also try the cabbage doris!

Hi Juners!!

No news here, cramps, pains and ctx but now I don't take them too seriously

Hope all of us 'in line' have news soon

Choccie and insy, I can only imagine what you're feeling and what your fears are, but I'm sure you'll cope well as great mums hope the 'air' changes and that the boys behave better tomorrow

Ermin, my wise Juner thank you for that BF advice! Glad to hear your sister's LO is now feeding so well. Juners, remember to look for local baby cafes, which give you great support with BF. Your MWs will know about the local ones.

Mrsmc, thanks for your kind words good luck tomorrow!! Keep us posted and yes, take things just in case.

LittleS, hope boobies go down soon. I also heard about cabbage leaves (cold from the fridge) to relieve the pain/discomfort.

Doris, glad to hear things are well with LO. Are there any pics?

Laura, hope that walk pays off !!

Llynn, we're cm sisters at the moment hope those sweeps work for us!!! I'll add you to my FB.

Ineed, thanks for sharing your experience with 3 stage.

June, yay on getting papmered with those nails!! the tidying was good, I'm sure, don't worry

Mmm don't know if I'm forgetting someone hi to all Lovely Juners!! Hi bunny, blue, effie, bigcar, dreamy, tee, silk, nemo, rose and eeeeeveryone!!

Hope to post with some news soon!

(((Waves)))

Choccie, forgot to say - agree with the Juners at telling your DH to wait until LO comes to decide. It'd be horrible if you felt you needed him to help you and he wasn't there. Do you think he'll be ok with waiting a bit to decide?

I completely forgot to tell you ladies about some bad news we got yesterday. The translator I met at the AN class and with whom I went to aquanatal went into labour on Sat and delivered a baby girl before midnight. Her DH called us yest. (as I had texted her saying we were thinking of them, etc) and told us doctors thought the baby had downs syndrome and had to have heart surgery he was crying and my heart just sank for them I've not had any news from them today but just hope things are OK. So so sad, girls, poor LO having to go through surgery being so tiny.