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Over the Moon to be Due in June 2009

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Ineedmorechocolatenow · 05/01/2009 20:43

Here's the new thread. Hope you'll find it. There is probably a more up-to-date list of us all at some point in the thread, but I couldn't find it. The newbies will have to add themselves on....

Bumpsadaisie 28th May
CoteDAzur 28 May by dates, 1 June by scan (37, dd 3)
swottybetty 30th May (31. DD 07/03/08)
llynnnn 1st June
Myneaux 1st June
Bigcar 1st June (37, dd 18, dd 9, ds 8, dd3 2)
joyfuleyes 2nd June
marmotti 2nd June
gems27 4th June
Mrs McJnr DC2 4 June 2009 (34, ds 8mths)
Ineedmorechocolatenow 5th June 2009 (31,ds 2)
summerbird 6th June (35, 1st one)
daisy5 6th June (41, dd 2)
LittleSarah 6th June (26, dd 4yrs)
thisisyesterday 6th June (ds1 3.5, ds2 1)
DreamyDorrie 7th June (30, dd 19/11/07)
Yoshimi 7th June (ds 18nths)
Aligard 8th June (one dd)
Leaky 10th June (39, ds1 5, ds2 2.5)
DawnoftheDead DC1 11th June 2009
Champagneforlunch 11th June (27, DD 4yrs)
NickelSodium 12th June
travellinglight 13th June
Sparkle73 13th June
Froggy16 13th June (27 ds 6 yrs dd 4yrs)
Nemoandthefishes 14th June [30 DS 5[+2days],DD1 2.9yrs,dd2 21mths]
Irishmama3 17th of June (36) [dd 9 ds6 and dd2
chocciedooby 18th June (37m ds1 4, ds2 3)
onehitwonder 18th June (41 DD1 3)
ermintrude13 20th June (41, dd10 ds6)
snowwombat 21st June (31)
TTCnumber3maybe (36) DC3 22 June 2009 (DS 4.5 and DS almost 3)
StrawberrySam 22nd June
Diege, 22nd June (38, dd1 7, dd2 5.8, dd3 2.8)
Heebeejeebee - 22nd June (36)
BobsWendy DC3 26 June 2009
TheLittleMermaid DC2 26 June 2009
Tee2072 DC1 26 June 2009 (39)
Sweetie34 - 29th June (37)
Wilsonmummy 28 2dd edd 30th june
mamaolivia 31 dd1 2.6 - due 30th June
NotSoRampantRabbit
tessofthedurbervilles
boundoriginals
helpivegottogivebirth
Li lacpink
mel1981
flynn1984

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queenofpuddings · 10/01/2009 18:56

hi tee, I don't know how to copy and paste so can't add myself to end of list.

I need help

CoteDAzur · 10/01/2009 18:56

"He asked her what pain relief she'd used and she said "Was it supposed to hurt?" "

Sorry, but that is rubbish. Poor girl was probably having a laugh.

Imho, you are not doing first time mums any favours by leading them to expect labour doesn't (or worse, shouldn't) hurt. The truth is that it hurts like a bitch. Yes, you can deal with it better with a positive frame of mind, but its still a long and very painful process.

ermintrude13 · 10/01/2009 19:08

Cote if you'd read what I'd written you'd see that I wasn't suggesting labour doesn't hurt. In two emails I have specifically said that natural labour hurts. As b/feeding, also natural, can hurt. I was making the point that 'natural' does not equate to 'easy and painfree'.

Since I've had two labours just using TENS machine for pain relief, and am hoping to be able to do the same a third time, you don't need to tell me the truth about it. And I'm very keen to tell any first-time mums the truth about it but wouldn't particularly choose phrases designed to terrify, such as 'hurts like a bitch'. Actually, my labours didn't hurt like a bitch - the whole experience was an overwhelming physical journey, bits of which were painful, but I was able to understand it being a process, and could see the end in sight. Interventions are usually required when, for whatever reasons, that process is interrupted or goes wrong.

But who are you to say that the girl quoted by Mayhew was 'having a laugh?'. As I explained, modern notions of pain differ because we are in so much more control over it. I know several women who had been terrified by the nasty stories mothers sometimes like to tell and were pleasantly surprised to discover the pain was nothing they couldn't cope with - which after all is the main thing.

Finally, most posters on this thread are really considerate and careful about what they write, even when they are disagreeing with one another. Your tone does sometimes get rather aggressive when you disagree, which I'm sure isn't intentional.

CoteDAzur · 10/01/2009 19:54

ermintrude - Maybe if you provided a link to this Mayhew 'quote', we can read it for ourselves and have a better idea of what she meant. Until then, and a priori, I don't believe she didn't feel any pain at all and I don't believe she didn't know until that point that childbirth was painful.

Re my "tone" - Although English is not my native language, I would like to think I have adequate command over it. So no, my tone of writing is quite intentional. However, I disagree that my previous post was 'aggressive', especially compared to your reply that goes "who are you to say that...".

I'm sure you didn't mean to be quite so rude and aggressive so I forgive you

ermintrude13 · 10/01/2009 20:12

Hi Cote, your English is excellent, not to mention your philosopher's Latin, but the written medium can be notoriously ambiguous when it comes to tone. I don't think my inference was so far off.

I'm sure if you google Mayhew you'll find something, but since I've just quoted it in context and its meaning is plain, you would have no further grounds on which to decide whether or not to believe the girl.

Again I say, one person's idea of pain does not always equate to another's and I know women who do not describe childbirth as painful in the way that you do. I don't suggest your experience of labour didn't 'hurt like a bitch'; but mine didn't. Thank goodness.

'Who are you to say that...?' seems not at all rude or aggressive when you have just said that a remark is 'rubbish'. How odd that you think you need to forgive me! I don't have that kind of punitive attitude, and am very much at ease with the notion that someone might disagree with me, so I wouldn't dream of offering you forgiveness when none is required. You're very welcome to your views.

Other posters, apologies for this little detour; hope it doesn't detract from my original attempt at reassuring first-timers that labour needn't be hell on earth!

ermintrude13 · 10/01/2009 20:14

Queenofpuddings, I've added you to the list! I think it's the most recent one...

CoteDAzur 28 May by dates, 6 June by scan (37, DD 3)
SweetBROODY 29 May - 20 week scan Friday! I am 27 and this is my first!
MrsMcJnr DC2 (Pink!) 30 May (I think 6 June!) (34 DS 10 months)
Mhairi100 30 May (29)
Myneaux 1st June
Bigcar 1st June (37, dd 18, dd 9, ds 8, dd3 2)
marmotti 2nd June
llynnnn 2nd June (27, dd 2yrs)
Dorisisapinkdragon 2nd June (32, dd1 3yrs DD2 1yr)
Champagneforlunch 3rd June (27, DD 5yrs)
Kitteh - 4th June (21, no other kids..)
Leaky 4th June (39, ds1 5, ds2 2.5)
gems27 4th June
Ineedmorechocolatenow 5th June 2009 (31,ds 2)
helpivegottogivebirth 6th June (30, 1st one)
summerbird 6th June (35, 1st one)
daisy5 6th June (42, dd 2)
LittleSarah 6th June (26, dd 4yrs)
thisisyesterday 6th June (ds1 3.5, ds2 1)
DreamyDorrie 7th June (30, dd 19/11/07)
Yoshimi 17th June (34, ds 20 mths)
June2009 7 June (31)
Aligard 8th June (one dd)
DawnoftheDead DC1 11th June 2009
NickelSodium 12th June
travellinglight 13th June
Sparkle73 13th June
Froggy16 13th June (27 ds 6 yrs dd 4yrs)
borriebear 13th June (28 1st one!)
Queenofpuddings 13th June
Nemoandthefishes 14th June [30 DS 5[+2days],DD1 2.9yrs,dd2 21mths]
Loooouise 14 June
dreamydowler 16 June
ermintrude13 17th June (42, dd10 ds6)
Irishmama3 17th of June (36) [dd 9 ds6 and dd2
chocciedooby 18th June (37m ds1 4, ds2 3)
onehitwonder 18th June (41 DD1 3)
flynn1984 - due 20th June 2009
Stiefyloo - 20th June (30, DD 7 DD 4 DS 2)
snowwombat 21st June (31)
TTCnumber3maybe (36) DC3 22 June 2009 (DS 4.5 and DS almost 3)
Diege, 22nd June (38, dd1 7, dd2 5.8, dd3 2.8)
Heebeejeebee - 22nd June (36)
StrawberrySam 23rd June (27, first-timer)
BobsWendy DC3 26 June 2009
TheLittleMermaid DC2 26 June 2009
Tee2072 DC1 26 June 2009 (39)
TeenyTinyTorya DC2 27th June 2009 (22, ds1 20mths)
Sweetie34 - 29th June (37)
Wilsonmummy 28 2dd edd 30th june
mamaolivia 31 dd1 2.6 - due 30th June
NotSoRampantRabbit
tessofthedurbervilles
Li lacpink
mel1981

CoteDAzur · 10/01/2009 20:25

"since I've just quoted it in context and its meaning is plain"

I don't think so.

Just Googled Mayhew "Was it supposed to hurt" and got zero hits. Since you like my Latin, let's say: Ergo, you did not quote. At best, you paraphrased.

So yes, I do believe I have "further grounds" for skepticism, and would like to see a link to this quote you claim is from a Mayhew study.

flynn1984 · 10/01/2009 20:58

Evening all hope everyone has had a fab weekend so far!

Queenofpuddings welcome and congratlations lovely to have another June09'er here

MrsMcClaus thank you for letting my know Slimming World is different in Scotland, going to check this out

Doris glad to hear our scan went well and hope your results come back fine, fingers crossed for you

On the discussion of BF I'm starting to get a little worried simply because of my boob size already. They feel so heavy that at times I feel that there is no way I can safely BF my baby, think I'll be expressing most times
Had my midwife appointment yesterday and everything is fine, MW never took blood tho which I thought she would have. Heard the baby's heartbeat coming in at 140-150 beats per minute it was good to hear it again

Sorry to everyone else I've missed (I know thats a lot) I will hopefully catch up soon!

llynnnn · 10/01/2009 21:18

evening all! what a day i've had, dh and dd have both got this horrid sickness bug so I've been looking after them all day!! just hoping and praying now that I dont get it too!!

queenofpuddings - congrats and welcome!!

oh, did you all know that Asda have started doing maternity clothes now? I havent had chance to look at their items yet but hoping they are good as they should be reasonably priced!

MrsMcJnr · 10/01/2009 21:23

Welcome and congrats Queen

Ineedmore your poor DS! How awful! I remember at NCT classes they handed round photos of what may happen to babies with assisted deliveries (to prepare you) I am so glad he is ok now . My sis really struggled with BFing and as a result said nothing to me beyond that about it but she did try to suggest that we adopted the ?she who cannot be mentioned? feeding timetable but it just didn?t work for us as well as just feeding on demand (even if I was sat feeding for most of my life!) hope you had a lovely lunch with your friends!

Tee ? no, no none of us were trying to worry you or scare you about BFing. It is an incredible feeling to know that you are sustaining your baby and nothing can beat that but I think I speak for all of us when I say that generally we are just not as aware of things related to it as we could be and that it is worth being prepared as it makes it much less stressful (stress being bad for your milk supply!) I?ll be honest and say I never loved doing it physically but that was just me, I know girls who really struggle to stop because they love doing it so much.

Choccie ? better to be safe than sorry so get that rash checked. There is a condition related to the liver that can give you a rash like that. Sorry you slept badly, hope tonight is better!

Ermintrude ? fabulous post! I have read that Mayhew quote too but I cannot remember where totally agree with all that you say. I found the TENS machine fabulous with DS and plan to use it again (though they think it is a bit crazy here apparently) Interesting about your writing. Good luck this year with it my Dad wrote a book (fiction) a few years back but it is unpublished as yet which is a real shame as it is really good (even if I am very biased ? my book group read the book too though and 8/9 liked it too)

Daisy ? hope you have a much better time this time round. My DS screamed almost every night from 6pm-12am and was inconsolable it was awful from about week 2 to week 9, I think giving him Infacol did work but my HV kept telling me it wasn?t colic because it started within a couple of weeks of his birth but I am sure it was ? my Mum said it was because I wasn?t feeding him enough but hell I was feeding him for hours at a time and I was shattered.

Cote ? I guess everybody?s labour experience is different but I can honestly say the only stage that I was in actual pain was when DS was crowning prior to that the contractions were very intense and strange but never unbearable and never what I would call painful. I was very lucky I accept that but I think fear increases pain and normally when you have a pain it is because there is something wrong and I just wouldn?t have called all the sensations of labour ?pain? as I had no fear, which surprised me, my body just took over and I seemed to instinctively know what was happening at each stage. That said I did feel the stitches I had afterwards and they did hurt, probably because I was scared by the whole idea of what had happened to require them! My mother always refers to her labours as the most painful experiences of her life and always said there was nothing worse, I grew up thinking that?s how it would be for me and now that my sister and I have had babies, we feel so sorry for her because it just wasn?t like that for us, that said, we weren?t strapped to beds on our backs trying to push up hill (God I so hope I don?t have an experience like that in the Spanish hospital!)

Any advice on any of the following gratefully received:

? Double buggies ? which one? So sad to get rid of my bugaboo it is such a great buggy but needs must!
? Nappy bins ? defo need one over here but which one? I want one of the ones you put the nappy in and it bags it and stores it inside.
? Nursery stickers ? inspire me! DS has the Jungle ones and they are fab

Thanks ladies

MrsMcJnr · 10/01/2009 21:26

Flynn ? don?t worry about your boobs so glad all went well at your appointment why did you expect the MW to take blood? Has she done the initial blood tests and the double/triple test yet?

Llynnnn ? hope you don?t get the lurgy and that the others recover soon

ermintrude13 · 10/01/2009 23:04

"So yes, I do believe I have "further grounds" for skepticism, and would like to see a link to this quote you claim is from a Mayhew study."

Golly, Cote, it's like you want a fight or something, and I just don't. I wouldn't know if Mayhew's vast work has been put on the net for free - I doubt it very much - but I'm not going to search it out for you to prove a point which requires no back-up - since there are two real people on this post already (me and MrsMcJr, who has put it very eloquently) - who have described labours that didn't hurt like a bitch, and I know many more. They never involved lying on one's back for the convenience of doctors, which used to be the way everyone had to do it and still is in some parts of the world. Now that would hurt. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about a literary reference or anything else. There's room for all of us on MN!

MrsMc my sister swears by her Phil and Teds (which I always think is Bill and Ted but that was something else entirely) double buggy because it's so flexible - great for a tiny baby lying down, grows with them into toddlerhood. They're expensive but the kind of thing you might find at an NCT sale.

Good luck with your dad finding a publisher. It's hard but worth persevering.

Flynn there's lots of time to go and your boobs will settle; both of my last pregs mine were really sore and big from about 20 wks but adapted to b/f straight away. This time they're only growing v slowly so I'll probably end up with beach balls

Lynnn good news about Asda, they're bound to do some good cheap basics, we've a superstore nearby which I'll have to check out (their baby clothes have got a lot better over the past few years as well, and are v g value)

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 10/01/2009 23:14

Hello all! Had a fab day with lovely friends and just checking in before I'm off to bed

Wow, it's really kicked off on here. Lots to digest so not going to comment too much tonight. I think that pain is relative and I found the pain of labour overwhelming and scary, but oddly productive and exhilarating (not trying to sound all hippy or worse, into S&M! ). The pain of BF was so different and confusing. I think that's why I found it worse, in a way. I knew that labour was going to be painful, but no one had told me that BF could be, so was completely at sea with it. However, lovely friend today (who also struggled a bit but is still going strong with BF DS who's 9 months) said it doesn't last long and once you've gone through the early days you come to love it so much. It's brilliant to hear, and I'm so up for it now.

Poor old you Llynnn hope everyone recovers soon...

MrsMcJr we've got the Tommee Tippee nappy wrapper, well two actually, and they're really good (although the cartridges are more expensive than nappy bags). Oh, and I've just bought a second hand M&P Twin Aria from Ebay and it looks really good for a double (only £50 - as DS will be two and a half when this one arrives, I saw little point in splashing out on a brand new one).

Hope the rest of you are well . Night night xx

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June2009 · 11/01/2009 01:40

choccie my torso is itching today, I'd read somewhere that might happen so I didn't really look further into it. It fels a bit dry, might put moisturisers on it later.

Thinking about it now I feel like I'm itching everywhere, aren't you? :D

Other skins stuff I've noticed:
I've had hundreds of tiny little red/blood freckles, some spider looking, come up since the pregnancy started, everywhere on my skin, torso, back, arms, boobs, couple on my face. They're not obvious.
The midwife and the GP said it happens sometimes. They said it may or may not go after the birth.
Anyone else got that?

Talking about BF, I'm wearing a 38 DD instead of my usualy 38B, I don't feel like my boobs are that much bigger though, maybe it's still to come, definitely pointing south
All of a sudden my nipples are huge now and dark!!! That was a bit of a shock this morning.

I haven't put pressure on myself, I have sad to relatives that I will "try" and bf, secretly knowing that it can be hard and that you som people have to struggle through it at the start.

Just had a weekend with some relatives who were visiting from France, they took some pictures of us and were showing them to us tonight and I look massive. (not sure what emoticon to use, still actually undecisive about how I feel about it.)

flynn1984 I'm with you on the weight issue, I've been eating a lot of carbs which were pretty non-existent in my pre-pregancy diet and I just feel hopeless without my 8 to 10 hour a week high intensity workouts, exercising was the only way I could manage my weight and I stopped for fear of misscarrying. (why can't I just eat less???).

Well you know what, I'm just tyring to be sensible and reasonable, not always successfully.. you can't always help putting on weight and how much you put on will vary from woman to woman. My little tips that sometimes work are: don't use your pregnancy as an excuse to pig out (I used to do that with my periods!) watch your portions, don't go for seconds, keep cakes/chocolates as a treat, don't eat deep-fried foods. (some of which I've been able to follow, others not so much.)

I'm planning on going back to the gym from around week 20 just for some light exercise, walking, cross trainer, swimming, we'll see what I feel up to.
My dh has mentionned a few times that I'm paying the gym for nothing which has angered me as I was so tired and nauseous all the time I don't see how I could have fitted it in. I promised I would go back soon to shut him up! DH's don't mean to be mean, he also said it doesn't matter how much I put on, and even though it's nice to hear, you know that for your own self esteem it would be better if you just put on the minimum required, nobody can watch what you eat for you unfortunately, it's all in your hands.
I say, just try your best but really do try.

(coming from someone who is also stuggling with it, hopefully didn't come across as patronising, just coming from my own experience).

Take care

CoteDAzur · 11/01/2009 07:22

ermintrude - I asked for a link to this Mayhew study you claim shows a teenage mum asking "Was it supposed to hurt?", because there is no such thing on Google.

I am skeptical that anyone at any period of history would not even have heard that childbirth hurts, least of all a mum who has been there yet you say you gave an exact quote.

I am not "looking for a fight" but you baited this by asking "who are you to say that..." Well, now I am really interested to see if you are correct in your quote or if I am correct in doubting it.

Either provide this link and prove your claim, or accept that your 'quote' was incorrect & drop it.

CoteDAzur · 11/01/2009 07:36

June - If your tummy is itching, that could mean you are prone to have stretch marks. I have religiously used creams and oils when pregnant with DD so never felt this tummy itch, but friends who said they did ended up with stretch marks.

I did itch all over, though, and was very sensitive to various fabrics from very early on in the pregnancy. I learned later on that this is significant, so if you are itching all over, do mention it to your MW at next check-up.

Tee2072 · 11/01/2009 07:38

cote did it ever occur to you that she didn't find this quote online, but in an actually, you know, book? So maybe it isn't online, because the book isn't online? Not everything in the world is on the internet.

Perhaps you could go to your local library and asked for the book and look it up yourself, if you're going to be this insistent that she prove what she read.

Personally, I have no problem just believing her. As has been said before, not everyone experiences pain in the same way. My SIL, for example, found her first labour to be very painful and her second one to be a breeze. And no, I don't have a link to show you where she said this. We were actually speaking to each other about it the other night.

CoteDAzur · 11/01/2009 07:43

Ineedmorechocolatenow, re pain during BF:

After the first few days when DD chewed my nipples bloody and I was considering switching to formula, nurses at hospital suggested I use silicon nipple shields until my nipples heal. I did, and they helped enormously. Nipples healed, and by the time I took them off, DD had learned to latch on properly

My mother says we should "toughen up" our nipples in anticipation of BF in the weeks running up to the birth, by roughly scrubbing them under the shower. I might try it this time.

CoteDAzur · 11/01/2009 07:48

Sure, Tee, I would love to. If she only she would say which book has a study with a teenage mum surprised to hear that labour hurts.

It is normal practice to provide a reference, especially when sceptics are to be slagged off by ad hominem such as "who are you to say...".

Nemoandthefishes · 11/01/2009 07:49

I loveeeeeeeeeeee my phil and teds mrs mc. If you have a smaller age gap[under 2] then it is definetly the way to go. You can pick up the V2 onm ebay for around £150. I upgraded last year to a sport as my V2 was second hand and it sold on for the same as I paid for it. I really really love it and still use it for school run if dd1 is ill[like this week when her asthma kicked off again].
I am going to pick up a m+p pramette today that was brand new from ebay . Another great pram as it has the inbuilt step for the tots. I use on at the min for dd1 and dd2 on the school run but dd2 will be walking most of the time when baby comes as she will be 2 and a half but will be keeping my P+T for just in case occasions..lol

Nemoandthefishes · 11/01/2009 07:55

just changed my due date as was changed to 21st june at first scan

CoteDAzur 28 May by dates, 6 June by scan (37, DD 3)
SweetBROODY 29 May - 20 week scan Friday! I am 27 and this is my first!
MrsMcJnr DC2 (Pink!) 30 May (I think 6 June!) (34 DS 10 months)
Mhairi100 30 May (29)
Myneaux 1st June
Bigcar 1st June (37, dd 18, dd 9, ds 8, dd3 2)
marmotti 2nd June
llynnnn 2nd June (27, dd 2yrs)
Dorisisapinkdragon 2nd June (32, dd1 3yrs DD2 1yr)
Champagneforlunch 3rd June (27, DD 5yrs)
Kitteh - 4th June (21, no other kids..)
Leaky 4th June (39, ds1 5, ds2 2.5)
gems27 4th June
Ineedmorechocolatenow 5th June 2009 (31,ds 2)
helpivegottogivebirth 6th June (30, 1st one)
summerbird 6th June (35, 1st one)
daisy5 6th June (42, dd 2)
LittleSarah 6th June (26, dd 4yrs)
thisisyesterday 6th June (ds1 3.5, ds2 1)
DreamyDorrie 7th June (30, dd 19/11/07)
Yoshimi 17th June (34, ds 20 mths)
June2009 7 June (31)
Aligard 8th June (one dd)
DawnoftheDead DC1 11th June 2009
NickelSodium 12th June
travellinglight 13th June
Sparkle73 13th June
Froggy16 13th June (27 ds 6 yrs dd 4yrs)
borriebear 13th June (28 1st one!)
Queenofpuddings 13th June
Loooouise 14 June
dreamydowler 16 June
ermintrude13 17th June (42, dd10 ds6)
Irishmama3 17th of June (36) [dd 9 ds6 and dd2
chocciedooby 18th June (37m ds1 4, ds2 3)
onehitwonder 18th June (41 DD1 3)
flynn1984 - due 20th June 2009
Stiefyloo - 20th June (30, DD 7 DD 4 DS 2)
snowwombat 21st June (31)
Nemoandthefishes 21st June [30 DS 5,DD1 3,dd2 2]
TTCnumber3maybe (36) DC3 22 June 2009 (DS 4.5 and DS almost 3)
Diege, 22nd June (38, dd1 7, dd2 5.8, dd3 2.8)
Heebeejeebee - 22nd June (36)
StrawberrySam 23rd June (27, first-timer)
BobsWendy DC3 26 June 2009
TheLittleMermaid DC2 26 June 2009
Tee2072 DC1 26 June 2009 (39)
TeenyTinyTorya DC2 27th June 2009 (22, ds1 20mths)
Sweetie34 - 29th June (37)
Wilsonmummy 28 2dd edd 30th june
mamaolivia 31 dd1 2.6 - due 30th June
NotSoRampantRabbit
tessofthedurbervilles
Li lacpink
mel1981

ermintrude13 · 11/01/2009 11:02

Nemo - good to hear another endorsement of Phil and Ted's because I might inherit my sister's, since her SIL is going to give her a later model. Her babes are 18 months apart and like you she found it v suitable for that gap, but also says it's good for a single one when they're sitting up and is v stable and easy to manoeuvre.

June, the fact that you were working out so well before being pregnant will help with fitness and weight loss after birth, I'm sure. I'd started speed-walking and cross-training before becoming pg but no way can you exercise when you are nauseous and exhausted, so have done nothing except the odd stroll since then, which is frustating. Hopefully we'll be over this sicky stage soon and able to take some gentle exercise but your past fitness programme will have been very beneficial already.

For anyone interested in reading Mayhew's highly-respected journalistic work, 'London Labour and the London Poor' documenting working class life in 1850s London - and how splendid that people are interested in continuing their academic study during pregnancy - it's available in Penguin paperback. Incidentally, I first came across that work through reading Philip Larkin's 'The Less Deceived', a collection whose title poem was inspired by a Mayhew interview with a working class girl who had been raped by an upper-class man, who of course got away with it. A very moving and shocking account from the girl, and who am I to disbelieve her?

Odent, Kitzinger, Grantly-Read and LeBoyer are all very much worth checking out for anyone interested in the subject of pain in labour, having studied responses to, and ways of dealing with, childbirth by women across many cultures.

Tee2072 · 11/01/2009 11:18

So, what you are saying cote is that every time someone makes a statement in this thread they need to back it up with proof? Then I guess I won't be posting to this thread very much, if at all.

I had no idea Mumsnet required research and homework!

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 11/01/2009 11:23

Now Tee, I'd expect you to know that by now. Tut tut. Detention and extra homework for you.....

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Tee2072 · 11/01/2009 11:25

LOL Ineed. I promise to do better next time!

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