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Morning all. Welcome Bunintum, good to have you here.

Sorry to hear about your day KMS, I hope today is going better for you.

It has been so beautiful here the past few days. Its supposed to get up to 73 degrees today. Went golfing Sunday afternoon with DH, and the in-laws watched Colin, so it was a good day. I thought I felt some fluttering last night, but really think it is too early. Didn't feel anything till 20 weeks last time.

KMS, what an awful day, sending big hugs to you. your really are having a rough time of it. Are you in pain all the time or do you get any let up?

Colinsmommy 73 degrees sounds fantastic, you lucky thing. Where in the world are you? Maybe it was your baby that you felt, I felt movements much earlier this time. Now my baby sticks out its bottom when I wake up in the morning, like it's having a wake up stretch, i hope that means it's keeping the same hours as me already!!

Welcome bunintum, congratulations on your baby. I'm sorry that people are being negative about your decision. Not all families are the same are they?

I'm finally back to work tomorrow, I can't believe how long it's been since I went, over 4 weeks. I hope I remember what to do!! I'm going to miss DS like crazy though. He's really starting to talk and I hate that I might miss something.

KMS sorry you had a bad day, mine wasnt particularly good either, as DH is away at work just now DS didnt really have a clue, he did say to me on Friday that he made me 2 cards but lost them, I did get them today
DH also told me on the phone to make sure and get his Mum flowers and take them to her. when i asked who was dropping mine off he told me i got them for valentines day that would do however i did get flowers (my mum saved the day) i also couldnt get his mum flowers so got her choc's instead which didnt go down well he complained cause they werent flowers argh! hope he isnt at home for Fathers day so i dont have to bother!!

welcome to bunintum - dont listen to what other people think you are doing the right thing for you and your lovely little baby, they will all eat there words when they see you both together in august.
colinsmommy it could be movement i have been getting very small flutters for a while i think because i have been waiting for them and i was only 16 weeks when got first good kicks from ds.

i have seen the pram i want this time cant remember what it is called though its an all inclusive with carseat and carrycot plus half the price of my britax one which fell apart

Thanks guys

Josey - sorry you had a bad day too. nice of your mum to remember you are a mum too.
one year mine got her boyfriend to phone and do the guilt trip bit of how upsett she was as she haddn't got a card! My DS2 was due a couple of weeks later and I had been in and out of hospital to stop contractions and was late posting her card. She didn't think to send me one to say "well done on being a great mum"!

(sorry starting to moan again!!)

Beachyhead - SPD stands for Symphysis Pubis Dysfunction. It is the name given to pain and mobility problems caused by instability of the pelvis during pregnancy. SPD website I had it during my last pg and was on crutches by the time she was born but it has started so much earlier this time. I do get a bit of pain free time when doing the pelvic tilts while laying on the floor with my legs up on the sofa. (what a picture!) but don't get much time to do them with 3 children! It will all be worth it in August. I just hope it goes away quickly.

Welcome bunintum. why is it that people always seem to have an opinion on other peoples lives? Its your body and your baby so what has it got to do with them? Cant they just be happy for yo and join in your excitement. Glad you are looking forward to it. I have been looking round for double pushchairs as DD will be just 2 and think I will need to be able to strap her down when i need her to be still so I can feed/change no.4 when out. Plus can't expect her to walk everywhere.

Colinsmommy - I have felt movement earlier each time. 14wks this time. so it probably is movement.

Kate100 - pleased you are now well enough to return to work. it is a bitter/sweet thing though having to leave your DS.

Hi all... Welcome to BuninTum and RachelJada who have come along since I've been away.
Everything is all right... just been so busy and hardly had time to sit down unless I'm reading to DTs or taking a nap!
Midwife came two weeks ago and figured out due date is 20 August, which corresponds with what i had thought but nice to be sure. Scan is supposed to be at 20 wks but hasn't come through yet.
Josey and Colinsmummy - I think I've felt some movement too... it was Saturday after my ballet class. I lay down to have a rest and it felt like I had butterflies... really odd but nice b/c with DTs I didn't feel anything, or didn't think I did, until about 23 weeks.
Hope all of you are well... I've missed so much. Very sorry to hear about your bad mum's day, KTS, mine wasn't quite as dramatic though I feel like my MIL is blaming me for fact she has not gotten card from DH. I didn't get one either if it makes her feel any better!

Sorry, KMS, even got your name wrong!!

Hi everyone. Dh and I have been sussing out reusable nappies - we didn't use them when our dds were born but am determined to do so this time! Have been reading loads and asking questions, and have decided to go with Tots Bots. We are going to start buying them now so we can spread out the cost.

We've decided to hold off buying a pram to start with as we think we can probably manage with our baby bjorn sling and a car seat, at least for a while. Hopefully we can borrow a cot off my SIL, so that just leaves us the mattress and car seat to buy. lots of expense... however it is all worth it!

Miaou, I used Bambino Mio with DS and it only added an extra load of washing every 3 days or so. I couldn't keep it up when I went back to work though (and neither could a friend), but I did then start to use biodegradable disposables.

On the subject of prams,I can't decide whether to get a double buggy or a buggy board as DS is a very confident walker, but he will only be just 2 when the new baby comes.

Was my first day back at work and I'm shattered. People commented on how much thinner I was and I thought I was looking better, so I guess I'm not, oh dear.

Kate100 - re:pushchairs we are thinking the same dd will be 18months when little one arrives but we think we will go with the double buggy idea as I'm sure some days she will want to have a little sleep and when it rains I dont want to be waiting around for her to catch up and if we go with a buggy board she will get soaked.
Anyway glad to hear you are on the mend!! Take it easy!!!

Miaow- I use real nappies! (am also an advisor for one company!) tots are great. they do take a while to dry though. I am going for musins and 50cm terries with snibbs for first few weeks as they dry quickly (with the odd fuzzi for DH!) then will go over to my MEOS/Onelife and tots when it has stopped pooing every hour!
The thing I have found most suprizing with real nappies is that they really do contain those explosive poos that shoot up the back when wearing disposables! I just thought that was to be expected when I used dispos for DS1, then when DS2 and DD were in washables it didn't happen. SO you save all those baths and extra changes of clothes! It is so easy too!

sorry I will get off my soap box now! Ask away if you want any more advise!

Kate100 and Dazie- I went for a double with DS's (2 yrs apart) as there are times when you just need them to be safely secured to the chair! EG changing babys nappy or B/feeding, these are the times that they quickly find out they get loads of attention if they run away!! buggy board was ok later when baby was a bit older. Sold our double though so wil have to buy another!!

Hello All

Eulia- What is the Early Bird Course I think I've heard mention of it before but I'd be interested to know more. Copying younger kids is a problem with ds1 but, restruants haven't been a problem since he learnt to read he enjoys the formality of chosing his meal from the menu and odering it. Problems outside home generally occur when there is too much stimuli for example in the supermarket, shopping centres etc. (or maybe thats just a man thing . School is a real stress inducer and causes him lots of anxiety. If only they could try and move in his direction instead of trying to make him more like everyone else.

On the pushchair front The Glasgow Pramcentre seems to have some good deals. I have reserved a Quinny 3 wheeler at £150 less than its available for elsewhere. The colour wouln't have been my first choice but, it was too good a bargin to pass on. GPC say it isn't suitable from birth but the manufacturer and various other retailers seem to think it is. Will suss it out when it arrives and if need be use my sling and carseat for a while. Heres hoping this August isn't too hot.

Sorry waffling again will go away now . Goodnight All.

KAte100 - Have decided to use Bambino Mio. Will you be using them again this time?
Did you use them from newborn I have some small covers and wonder if these will be ok or whether I'll need a coupleof newborn ones.
KMS- you may have some idea on the size thing for reusables I just remember that for DS1 and 2 when they were towards the end of the weight limit they leaked horrendously in disposables. Judging by the size limits on the reusables I can't see we'll get more than a couple of weeks use out of the nb covers.

Off to bed now I promise!

i'm looking into re-usables too and have been a little overwhelmed at just how many there are.

am thinking of using old fashioned terrys to begin with and using eco disposables when out and about, then switching to the other sort of re-usables. my friend who just had her baby said there is a woman who comes to the local ante-natal classes who runs a business laundering/supplying re-usables in my area. i'm thinking about doing a combination of my own and using this service for the first few weeks till i find my feet (so to speak)

Gosh, I've totally lost track of this thread, but done a quick catch up to see how everyone is. welcome to the new folk, too, and big hi to Shely who I didn't notice had joined the board before I last posted. I remember you from the ttc board, congrats, I'm so pleased for you.

Things are okay here, got my 20 week scan next Tuesday and am a little anxious about it, just because of our borderline nuchal scan. Got the consultant doing it anyway, so it should be a good and thorough one. Had a depressing appt to see a haemotologist yesterday as I have a genetic predisposition to blood clots (never had one yet but I have more of a chance than others) and she was not supportive of my hopes for a home birth. I'm so fed up with hosps and doctors and my last labour was so fast, I just want to stay home and not have to go through all that palaver. I think the blood people are being over cautious (they did admit the risk was miniscule) and I will be having blood thinning injections daily post-natally as well so I feel in my heart that it should be fine. I just wish I could get someone to look at me as a healthy pregnant person instead of someone with a complicated medical background. I'm tempted to hire an independent midwife, but that costs so much ££ and I'm pretty broke at the moment what with moving house last summer and booking a holiday at Easter that I am desparate for. Ah well. Have to do some more thinking, I guess.

Re non-disposables. I do what moschops is thinking of - use washables at home and tend to use eco-disposables when out and about, depending on where I am going. I love the washables as they are so soft on skin and I have found them very easy to deal with. The eco-disps I use are the Moltex ons which are really good, no leaks, much better I found than the Nature ones from the supermarkets. If you buy online in bulk they work out around the same price as Pampers premium.

V. long time no speak. Miaou mentioned you were in the throes of nappy discussions, so I thought I'd say hi. We are 19+3, due 2nd Aug, with 20 week scan on the 18th.

(Anyone else in the Royal Free, London that morning ?)

KMS: Are you a Napply Lady advisor, or a different company, if you don't mind me asking?

I've repeatedly read that newborns are great in muslins / terries. Can you advise what 'terries with snibbs' are ? Would you have contemplated running with 60cm from birth so you could just keep one set of terries through to say 2 / 3 yrs old ?

Hope all the other pg mammas are happy, feeling well, and that any dh / dps are being suitably servile to your needs.

I am an advisor for Lollipop. Didn't want to push any names really.

I personally had problems with prefolds on newborns but every baby is diferent. (don't buy a birth to potty kit incase you have the same problem!) This is why I find muslin and terries better as they contain better. And people are more likely to be happy to use them full time rather than just at home.
Prefolds rely on the wrap for containment which is why the weight range is smaller than with other wraps that go over shaped nappies.
Jellybrain - I would say get the newborn wraps and only use them if you have leaks with the smalls. if smalls are ok get a refund for them, or change them for another size.

Snibbs are a tie on wrap that we do which I find great over muslins as it is so adjustable for the "chicken leg" stage on a newborn. It goes upto about 10lbs in weight, so many can then go straight into medium wraps. again not so good with prefolds but can be used with them.
Try to see an advisor/agent in your area as seeing and feeling the nappies is so much better than a picture on the internet.

I am so chuffed so many of you are looking into it!

Just a small note to remember about eco-disposables. They only biodegrade if you DON'T put them in a nappy sack and then into the landfill! even vegetable scraps won't breakdown proplerly in a nappy sack in a bin sack in a landfill! Many eco-disposables are a bit of a con like that, although they are better in production then normal dispos. they are only really eco-disposables if you compost them and flush the poo down the loo instead of putting poo into the landfill.

I will get off my soap box again!

Feel free to ask away on my favorite subject! I like to help.

hub2dee - we have found that the shaped washables that we bought were too big for our two as newborns (but they were not big babies - ds 6lb 10oz and dd 7lbs 7oz) but by about 1 month old they were okay to use as the babies were chubbing up nicely and the ones we have (motherease and popolino) are able to be folded down to fit tinies. I don't know what snibbs are unless they are like nappy nippas which are fastenings for terries that are easier and safer than old-fashioned nappy pins. The ones we bought went happily from 1 month to about 15 months and then we bought a handful of larger size nappies and wraps as our two both have huge tummies and even huger thighs . I know several people with slimmer babies who were able to get through to training on just the original size. I know that the washable market has moved on hugely since we bought ours for ds in 2001, I keep seeing cute fleece covers which I may just have to buy for this final baby... FWIW, the company I got our nappies from and still get our eco-disposables from is www.earthlets.co.uk and they also have a good explanation of your washable choices. My other tip would be that I don't feel you need quite as many of the washables as they suggest - there is a limit to how many you can get in the bucket and once it's full it's wash time anyway. We have managed with about a dozen nappies and 5 wraps for the majority of our nappy changing needs.

Ooops - posts crossed KMS! By the way, what about those biodegradable nappy sacks? We use them when we're out and about and assumed they were fine, are they not any good either?

hub2dee, we got a trial kit from Eco-babes . Gave us a chnace to try them all out before committing hard cash to them. Washables weren't for us, for various reasons, but I was pleased we'd tried them and not dismissed them out of hand.

jellybrain - this is the Earlybird Plus course for older kids - I got this from the NAS website (sorry its not relevant to the thread!)

What is the NAS EarlyBird Plus Programme?

Following the success of the EarlyBird pre-school programme, The National Autistic Society (NAS) has developed a modified programme to meet the needs of families whose child has received a later diagnosis (four-eight years) and is in Early Years or Key Stage One provision.

The EarlyBird Plus programme addresses the needs of both home and school settings by training parents/carers together with a professional who is working regularly with their child.

NAS EarlyBird Plus uses the established EarlyBird framework of teaching about autism before considering how to develop communication or manage behaviour. The programme consists of eight groups sessions, interspersed with two home visit weeks which allow participants to individualise what they are learning. A follow-up session is held six months after the programme.

Aims of the EarlyBird Plus Programme?

The NAS EarlyBird Plus Programme does not aim to replace the traditional pre-school programme but in response to demand, offers support for families of slightly older children who were unable to access an EarlyBird Programme.

The NAS EarlyBird Plus Programme aims to maximise consistent help for the child by training parents and professionals together. The programme content is an eclectic mix of good practice and aims to build confidence in both parents and professionals whilst encouraging the teams to problem solve together.

Who can participate?

The EarlyBird Plus Programme works with between three and five teams at a time, two places are allocated to each family with a third available for their local professional. Applications are accepted from parents of children between the ages of 4 and 8 years with a diagnosis of an autistic spectrum disorder.

The programme is being rolled out via existing EarlyBird teams so is currently only available in some areas of the country. Contact your local EarlyBird team or the EarlyBird Centre for more information.

Have used washable nappies with both mine - they did fine 2nd time round and plan to use them again a 3rd time

Hi everyone,
Had a fab time at the Baby Show in Glasgow with my Mum. On the washable nappy front I managed to get a trial pack of tots bots which is what the nappy lady had recommended for us - found the site really useful, understand we have our own resident expert in KMS but will post the link just in case anyone wants to have a look (nappylady ) found the feedback from this site really helpful in wading through all the info. This is our first baby so am hoping will be sucessful and to use for subsequent kids. We're going to use motherease wraps with the tots bots as apparently is a better fit?! Also bought some of the Mamas & Papas nursery range we like as one stand had 25% off, seemed to good to miss. It was a long day all in all but was great just to get some quality time with my Mum.

Have put in an order for a gliding chair which should arrive a few days after my 20 week scan, thought it would be nice and comfy to have before baby arrives.

Got through Wednesday (due date for the baby I mc) a lot easier than I thought I would, had lots of cuddles with dh and just took it easy all day.

Spent a lovely couple of hours with two friends on tuesday - one is expecting any day and the other has 6 month ds. We had lots of baby chat and I had a nice cuddle with friends ds, it was great just watching him roll around and see his wee smiles. On the way home I realised that I felt properly excited about this pg for the first time, think in part just seeing my two friends so content - which then made me burst into tears when I got through my door and dh asked if I'd had a nice time with the girls - crazy hormones! I think I've worried about this pg firstly with the thought of mc and then have felt bad about being pleased about it when I could have been welcoming the first one. I think feeling excited about this pg really helped cushion things Wednesday if that makes any sense.

Bit of a strange experience at work earlier in the week - one of the kids I work with (am residential social worker in kids home) was asking lots of questions about my pg which was fine but she then patted my tummy - was really quite taken aback. Was just really suprised but I guess that this won't be the last time it happens, people seem to think "bump invasion" is ok, just think it would be nice to be asked first?! How have other folk dealt with this issue? Is there a polite way of telling someone to get off?

Anyway, sorry this is such a long post, hope everyone is doing ok, lol x

Glad Wednesday went as well as could be expected Twiga and you're being to enjoy this pregnancy. The Baby Show sounds like great fun - what a lovely thing to do with your mum. Regarding bump invasion, it almost never happened to me when pregnant with DS, but my sister (who's quite short) had it all the time - she found it immensly patronising and was sure it was to do with her height. Not sure what the best approach is - if it's a man with a paunch, pat his bump back I guess.

I had my triple blood test today and get the results in 2-3 weeks, which seems like much too long. Not that I would, but in theory I could decide to have an amniocentesis based on the results of the test, and so it seems crazy to take such a long time.

Had a horrid day at work, I even cried in the car on the way home, pregnancy hormones at work!!

Feeling so much better, not only after my illness, but with the pregnancy. It seems so much easier than last time. Only a week to go until our scan and I can;t wait. I think that we have decided to find out the sex this time, although it does feel a bit lke cheating.

Thanks for the advice about the prams from your experience, it looks like we may need to look into getting one as well as a new pram.

Hope everyone is well and enjoying the second trimester.