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Due June 08: less of the hens hatching, more of the cows milking?

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bitofadramaqueen · 26/06/2008 13:30

Lets hope it's not too long before everyone is hatched and milking season is in full swing!

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Neenztwinz · 13/07/2008 21:28

And Luke is gorgeous too! Hope you are feeling a bit better Amber. Please don't feel like you are crap - you are a better mum than you think you are. Just relax and wing it (and remember your baby won;t remember any of this so no matter what you do you won't cause him any long-term damage!!)

thegreenfairy · 13/07/2008 22:43

neenz sorry to hear esther needs an op - am sure she will be fine tho. FAB pix. I love all our babies!

Haven't heard from ernest in a while - do hope she's coping with her fourth DC!

Essie3 · 13/07/2008 23:36

Neenz, just been on your profile - Esther and Theo are so gorgeous! I'm sure Esther will be fine but it's such a worry - it's amazing, isn't it, really - I just know Iestyn will break my heart many times over. That's life!

Anyway - you really are superwoman: going camping with twins?! Good god, you're made of sterner stuff than me! (Iestyn is coming up to 1 month old, though, and we're still sleep deprived here...)

Ok, now a dilemma. DH had masses of work to do and a 5.30am start tomorrow morning, so I tried to settle Iestyn. And I gave him a dummy, which he happily took, and has been sleeping since 10.30. (Dummy fell out shortly after I put him in his moses basket and he hasn't stirred). Result, I thought!
But now, DH is having a 'crisis' about the dummy issue - what if he becomes dependent, what if he wakes in the night all the time (once he's grown out of feeding at night) and needs a dummy etc etc. So he says dummy is only to be used in emergencies. But surely we can't mess around like that?

Also, (this is not important!) , or rather [major shame face] I'm secretly pleased that Iestyn took the dummy because MIL hates dummies, says they're dirty and disgusting, hoped I would never use one ('common' - yes, I am!), and made fun of my mother who is, according to MIL, 'a fan of dummies'. (The last one hurt - we're like the mafia on Anglesey and nobody makes fun of our family.) So really I'm keen on the dummy because it annoys her, and it will be my little victory.

Parenting. Makes me so childish. Maybe I'll get Iestyn's ear pierced...next week . [JOKING!]

Rolf · 14/07/2008 08:41

I think you should get him a baby haircut and use lots of gel .

Neenz - sorry to hear about Esther needing an op. I'd be in pieces too. They are both gorgeous.

I'm still using DH's PC and can't upload any pictures. DD2 is gorgeous though!

hedgehog1979 · 14/07/2008 09:03

neenz if i didn't have isaac i think your two would make me broody!! big hugs to you and esther for her op. I am sure she will be fine, but couldn't bear to have to go through something like that.
essie lol at 'anglesey mafia' although i do know what you mean about wanting to p*&% of MIL's as mine was here yesterday and did not approve of me waking Isaac for a feed, if I hadn't he wouldn't have gone to bed until after midnight, and she keeps going on about getting him into a routine. He is not even 3 weeks old yet.

A word of caution to all of you feeding your lo's lying down and falling asleep. I did this last night, he was latched on fine, woke up about 20 mins later and he was still sucking, and there was pain, checked and he had rearranged himself to give me a 'lovebite' on my boob as he was sucking above the nipple. Will lanisoh work to make it less painfull??

aberdeenhiker · 14/07/2008 09:23

Essie - I love dummies for this age - and we took DS1's away with no problems at 4 months old. If it makes them feel better when they need it who am I to deny it? Once the physical need to suck is passed though I'm happy to take the dummy away.

Fraser has been a very difficult baby lately (wind and not being in a schedule) and DS1 is sick with a fever so I've not been around much. My mum's just left so today is my first full day alone with 2 kids. eek!!! But at least now I can put Fraser on a schedule, my mother kept rocking him to sleep and as a result he's got days and nights mixed up.

PiggyPenguin · 14/07/2008 10:29

Neenz, so sorry to hear about Esther's op. You are right, it is awful when they need an op at any age but when they are so little it is just heartbreaking. She will be fine though.

Still trying to get amie into some kind of routine for the night and failing miserably. HE is generally up for at least an hour, sometimes as much as four after 2-3 ish, and there seems very little we can do about it. He is very difficult to wind after his earlier night feeds when he has gone back to sleep, and he gets so windy that he wakes to feed, then can't feed and ends up awake stressed and miserable. Any advice?

needahand · 14/07/2008 12:11

DLM thanks for the tip about breafeeding lying down and puttling Lo inthe crook of the arm. I tried two nights in a row and it worked!! No leakage and slighly more sleep. You are my hero! Sorry you had to take LO to ER but glad everything turned out ok.

Neen they are gorgeous. Sorry Esther has to have an op. SJ has a hernia too but we have been advised to wait until he is a year old and see what happens

Debs glad the bobs are better

Essie glad you are better. If the dummy makes Iestyn and yoy feel better then I would definitely stick with it. Every little helps and small mercy to have a happy child and sane mum should be taken!

amber sorry you are having a tough time

Really with all of you with DH on the phone all the time. Mine either works every evening or is on the phone to the whole earth. Never has a minute for me or SJ so I am starting to feel really lonely

aberdeenhiker · 14/07/2008 13:35

Ohh - just found all the chat on the postnatal thread - that's me switched over to it now...

Neenztwinz · 14/07/2008 20:44

It really annoys me when people get snobby about dummies. Granted, a two year old shouldn't be walking round with one but when a newborn is distressed and wants to suck it is cruel to deny him IMO. My SIL has a baby who cries all day (3 weeks old) but she refuses to try a dummy. More fool her.

Sybil are you BFing? Your LO may be hungry. I would try expressing 2-3oz and giving him that insead at the feed where he won't settle. If that sorts it then it is hunger that is the cause and you need to either rest more in the day or express and give him that instead. I am currently giving my two expressed milk at 7pm and it has really sorted out the evening unsettledness. So much so that I am trying it for the 10pm feed tonight as well cos they have been unsettled then too. If you do replace a feed with expressed milk it is probably worth expressing again at the time of the feed to maintain your supply and help engorgement.

It relaxes me cos I know they have had a good feed, and means I don't have to worry if I want to go for a walk in the afternoon - before I was worried to do anything in case it meant I'd end up with two screaming babies that evening!

aberdeenhiker · 15/07/2008 09:55

Most of DS1's friends are 2 and still have their dummies on occasion. Honestly there's way worse things and if it makes them happy, why fuss about it? I would have hated the idea before I had a toddler, but now when he's upset sometimes I wish I could just pull out a magic dummy and make it all okay.

needahand · 15/07/2008 11:51

Well at the moment I feel like SJ's human dummy as he has now realised it is nice falling asleep sucking mummy's nipple and screams/screech if I unlatch him. I think I will try a dummy today if it carries on, with DD I wasn't keen on trying but she never wanted it anyway as she sucks her thumb. With insight now, I would rather she had a dummy, you can get them to give up the dummy but you can't chop the thumb!!!

Neenztwinz · 15/07/2008 12:32

LOL needahand - I had to be bribed to stop sucking my thumb when I was younger!

needahand · 15/07/2008 12:53

Yes, I am sure we will have to resort to bribery when the times come!

PiggyPenguin · 15/07/2008 14:05

Thanks for the advice Neenz, but I would be really surprised if it is hunger that is the problem. He feeds every 2 hours during the night and hence I have loads of milk to give him, its more that he doesn't want to feed but is restless and grumpy. Also I am reluctant to bottle feed him as he is a pain on the breast and I am concerned about nipple confusion.

libralady · 15/07/2008 22:27

Just uploaded some more photos and am now off to catch up on the thread!

bitofadramaqueen · 16/07/2008 17:52

Hi everyone - I'm back! Sorry its taken me so long... Congrats to everyone else, especially Laura for the 06/07/08 birth.

Right, where do I start... Went in for induction on the Saturday night, had first dose of gel, came home, watched Dr Who on sky plus, went to bed and had a good nights sleep. Arrived at hospital 9.30am next day, as arranged, then waited in waiting room until 11.30 until they had an LDRP room ready for me. Was getting waves of pain in my back (only later did I realise these were contractions!). MW examined me and said I was 2cm. She did a sweep instead of 2nd dose of gel and told me to have some lunch and go for a long walk. On my 'long walk' the contractions started coming pretty thick and fast. Basically, as one finished another one started within about 30 seconds. I went back to the labour suite and told the MW that I absolutely couldn't take hours and hours of this non-stop pain. She asked what I wanted to do pain relief wise (clearly, reading my very basic birth plan was too much to ask) and I said that I was quite open minded but was happy to consider birthing pool for pain relief when in established labour, gas and air, and that I was open to epidural if labour prolonged and difficult. She told me that it was really early on and if I was having trouble managing the pain already then I might as well go straight to epidural I was in way too much pain to argue so off I went to a higher risk room, feeling like a complete lightweight for needing max pain relief before I even got started.

Thankfully, in the higher risk room I had a much better midwife. She was happy to let me have an epidural, but suggested that I might want to try other methods first. She examined me and I had jumped to 4cm. There was no way I would sit still for an epidural so we went for the gas and air and diamorphine route. Like Laura the diamorphine seemed to wear off pretty quickly (within an hour and a half). The midwife told me there was no way the doctor would sanction another dose so quickly. She examined me and I had jumped to 8cm - I got the diamorphine . Before labour I had been pretty adamant that I didn't want the diamorphine but I have to say after the first half hour of it, I didn't feel too out of it and was able to cope with labour quite happily.

I pushed for about an hour and a half, and a very bossy doctor took over and insisted that I should have an episiotomy and that I was going to need to go to theatre for a forceps delivery. Suffice to say that gave me the incentive to push Struan Blair in the closing minutes of 06/07/08. It took me days to realise what a cool birthdate that was.

Cant complain about the birth - I always viewed it as a fairly functional process and it was exactly that. Barely used anything from my labour bag - arnica, straws, dressing gown, nightie, stuff to shower in and one magazine. Must write that down somewhere just in case I ever go through this again!!!!

Post-natally things weren't quite so straightforward (sorry, this is really long). Struan had to be taken away (his score was only 5). When he came back he was already wrapped up with his hat on. I asked for him to be unwrapped so I could have some skin to skin. They then took him away to clean him before giving him back to me for a brief cuddle. Then they took him and gave him to DH while I was stitched (2nd degree tear - more on that later). No-one thought to suggest to DH that he should have some skin to skin, and poor DH was exhausted and didn't think about it himself. Almost two hours after he was born I finally got to have a proper cuddle with my son. Then they very quickly shoved him to the breast, confirmed that he attached but as he was 'fussing' a bit, they admitted me to the post-natal ward.

Struan was screaming (he hadn't fed at all) and DH was sent home. I was on this new ward in the middle of the night with a screaming baby who wouldn't feed. Midwife after midwife came along and pulled, pushed and prodded my boobs. Struan wouldn't feed and they hand expressed me. The ward nursery nurse took the baby for a cuddle to try and calm him down, then someone came back a short while later instructing me to look after my baby because he was upset. It's fair to say the whole experience was pretty distressing.

I struggled through the next day with Struan still not feeding, and still unable to hand express myself (I just couldn't get the hang of it). This carried on through the Monday night as well. By Tuesday morning it had been a straight 48 hours since I had slept. Struan was hysterical everytime someone tried to get him to feed and my head was in a complete spin.

Thankfully, there was a great midwife on during the day and after a long chat with her and DH, we decided that I would stop trying to put Struan to the breast and would attempt to mix feed with expressed milk and formula. The hand expressing suddenly started working and I had a great night on the Tuesday night as I was actually able to look after and feed him all by myself.

Got home on Wednesday and everything been going ok with Struan. It's taken a while to get our heads round the feeding, but its working so far.

Unfortunately, my stitches were a bit botched and have since been removed and I developed an infection. I'm much more comfortable now, but worried about how I'll heal with no stitches! There is a bit of an issue about anti-biotics, but I think I'll save that for another post!

Anyway, sorry this is so long - will go in search of the post-natal thread.

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bun2 · 17/07/2008 15:42

Hello Everyone,

Sorry it has been so long but just to let you know that Sophie was born on 3rd July at 4.22 am weighing 7 lbs 4 ozs.

I stopped posting before she was born because I realised I was beoming a touch obsessive about going overdue and the whole labour thing. I think as soon as I relaxed things started to kick off. Things have been a bit manic here since she was born and can't beleive it was two weeks ago.

My quick birth story:

Had dd1s summer concert at school on Tuesday 2nd in the afternoon - feeling a few twinges (as I had been on and off for a while) so didn't think anything of it.

Started to think things might be kicking off at about 5pm - I was upstairs watching the tennis while having contractions. The in-laws came over about 7pm and we went off to the hospital about 9pm. contractions were coming one on top of the other by this point. I was examined and found to be 5cms. Carried on with gas and air until 1.30 am when they examined me again and was found to be only 7cms when they broke my waters and things really started to speed up.

By three am I was in loads of pain and wanting to go home (still only gas and air) and started throwing up. They examined me at 3.30 am was found to be 9cms which gave me the strength to carry on. Things are a bit hazy now but at about 4.10 I felt the urge to push and felt the baby's head coming down. Told the midwives who didn't beleive me until they checked and could see for themselves. A couple of minutes later the head crowned and she was born in three pushes after that (total stage two time 11 minutes!). All a bit of a shock at such a quick birth but I had no tears - on a small graze!

Had to spend 24hours on the ward because the waters were meconium stained but were home on Friday evening.

Congratulations to everyone else who has hatched - will catch up on all the posts as soon as I can. Will also put a photo on my profile.

XX

katyjo · 17/07/2008 17:19

Congrats bun2!

poppy34 · 17/07/2008 17:21

hugs bdq - can empathise with you re the bossy midwife thing.. was in for 2 nights with edie and being woken up asthey forced her to latch on (making her scream) is something that I dont want to recall ... one of m/w offered to take her and formula feed her in a very bossy way in which time I started to cry and texted dh to take me home...

it wasnt til saturday (edie born thursday night) that spoke to my m/w who suggested teh mixed feed route.. which was very successful as edie.

good point for next time (if there is one!!) to bring nipple sheilds and tell the m/w to sod off if they start doing the pushy bit (I'm sure its cos they have to make sure you feed before they kick you out).

glad you're back though!!

bun2 good to hear from you and congrats

bitofadramaqueen · 18/07/2008 11:57

Congrats bun2! Thanks poppy. Are you still mix feeding? How is that working for you? I'm expressing (not as often as I should) and topping up with formula. Fine at home but need to get my head round how it will work when I'm up to being out and about for the day.

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poppy34 · 18/07/2008 14:17

hiya BDQ - yep still mixed feeding although tbh moving more to the express/ff route..mainly as edie seems to prefer the bottle (esp at night or when tired).. she obviously prefers breast milk but just doesnt want to bother latching on. I am with you on trying to figure out how to factor in expressing to having a life (which slowly starting to look more like)... have you trawled the bf/ff section for tips? Might do that.

am also thinking of experimenting with diff formula - I know others rave re aptamil and for some reason my mother fixated with cow and gate (god knows why she doesnt seem to think any other brand comes in easy mix formula..and there is no convincing her ) but I dont want to mess edie around too much as she seems pretty happy with current balance

bitofadramaqueen · 20/07/2008 16:50

Good idea re: trawling feeding threads for tips. All the 'official' info about feeding while out and about is focused on those exclusively bf or ff - not come accross much practical advice for those combining expressed milk with ff. Am using aptimal at the moment - still using the cartons as the whole idea of making up formula a hassle too far!!! Once Struan settled into a feeding pattern I might use formula powder at home.

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Sarahpo · 24/07/2008 17:31

Hello all you may have moved to a new thread, i see that the last post is 20th July? I will post anyway as it will help me to feel better about things :-)

I finally had my baby son on 11th July after going ten days overdue. I started the induction process on the Tuesday, had a pessary on the Tuesday morning and started contracting by the afternoon and was 3cm dilated. During the evening nothing was happening so they sent my husband home. Next day (Wednesday) nothing and they said on the Thursday they would break my waters and put me on the syntocin drip if nothing started. Thursday at 10am waters were broken and within an hour i was put on the synto drip and the contractions started coming thick and fast. I was on gas and air but i told the midwife there was no way i could cope with the pain my back was wracked with pain with every contraction (as i am sure everyone's is!!) I was given morphine and then things are a bit of a blur suddenly it was nightime and a different midwife who demanded that i start pushing. Well i pushed and i pushed for an hour but i knew something was wrong as i had no urge to push and could feel nothing. It was like i was pushing against nothing. Finally lovely doctor came in about midnight who saw i was in distress as nothing was happening so was rushed off to theatre for a forceps delivery with epidural.
Baby came out after three pushes with forceps but i have had some problems as a result of the forceps delivery and think i will post a new thread to see if others have had problems.
Meanwhile Patrick Christopher was born and he was 9lbs and 2oz and feeding him is just a nightmare he just won't settle but i think that is probably another post!!
I love reading all of the birth stories though...they are all so different...

Parofleurmapu · 31/07/2008 23:11

Sarahpo Congrats If you see this message we are on postnal threads now come and join us here

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