Due in Dec 07 - Feel them kick!!

[buzzybee]

Hi, thought I'd start a new thread. Hope ou find this OK!

Just been shopping downtown and bought a fab paid of maternity pants for work.

Also bought "The Baby Name Wizard" as Borders were having 20% off everything. Feel free anyone to ask me a question about names now!! The book categorises them into the following "style families" (chances are if you like one name in the family, you'll like a number of others - e.g. I tend to go for "Antique Charm" names for girls which include Abigail, Adeline, AMelia, Anna. Annabel, Annalise, Ava, Bella, Clara, Daisy, Eleanor, Emma, Eva, Georgia, Grace, Hannah and Isabel):
African, Androgynous, Antique Charm, Bell tones, Biblical, Brisk and Breezy, Celtic, Charms and Graces, Country and Western, English, The -ens, Exotic Traditionals, Fanciful, French, German, Greek, Guys and Dolls, Italian, Jewish, Lacy and Lissome, Ladies and Gentlemen, Last Names First, Latino, Little Darlings, Long Gone, Mid-Century, Modern Meanings, Muslim, Mythological, Namesakes, New Classics, Nickname-Proof, Place-Names, Porch-Sitters, Saints, Scandanavian, '70s and '80s, Shakespearean, Slavic, Solid Citizens, Surfer Sixties, Timeless and Why Not?

kerioke - x post! but yes agree new topic! am at work today already bored and surfing mumsnet - anyone else on a 3 month wind down??

and i meant eidsvoid when i said evisvoid... though i doubt it matters as i have a feeling it was posted by someone tired and cranky rather than somone actually out to prove a point but there we go, each to there own! (must say it has riled me a little tho!)

kerioke - good for you for changing the topic!!! My plans - work, work, more work, while suffering horrible heartburn already! Wednesday night is take-out night in our house (gives me a mid week rest), so looking forward to some nice grilled chicken tonight with corn on the cob!

3 month wind down insy?? i'm on a 3 month wind up now lol! cupboards to sort, storage to find, baby things to buy, labour plans, cook and freeze batches, perpare the boys for babies arrival... did i mention xmas?? but hey its all good fun and at least i can stop complaining i am bored lol

suey then you can understand my anger at people who presume to come on the special needs topic to voice their opinions - we on the sn topic are also a group of women experiencing things for the first time and experience things that others can only imagine every day of our lives - women who have to fight in some cases for our children to be seen as people not some pet - who have been subjected to some pretty horrid and ignorant statements about our children and our lives.

You forget I have been where you have been three times. Every day I face things that you can't even begin to imagine - such as delivering my 8 week old babe to surgeons for two open heart surgeries.

Despite real prejudice and ignorance I try to educate where I can and to respond to various threads that crop up all the time regarding down syndrome, antenatal testing and so on.

Unlike most of you - I have been told at 20 weeks that my unborn babe has a very real heart defect that if she is lucky to survive to teenage years will mean a heart transplant if she is to survive. I have then faced further testing to find out that in fact her heart defect whilst very severe is repairable and she will not need further surgery. I have been told my unborn child will most certainly have down syndrome - which to me was no biggy. However for some people it is and the attitudes and grossly outdated information and lack of support they are given can be catastrophic to lives and relationships. I have stood in shoes that others can only imagine and have tried to lend support and information where I can to make it easier for others.

I have also faced the arrogant assumption that because my child is to some less than perfect she does not deserve to be given life - that she does not have a place in this world. In fact I face it every day. That is my RL experience.

actually I am in australia so no sleep deprivation nor cranky - just tired of misinformation and assumptions based on what some people perceive to be life with down syndrome.

but will bow out and as I did earlier wish you all the best with your babes to be and hope they bring you as much joy as my three do to me.

kerioke - meant a wind down with work wish I was at home getting through the list of jobs you've just listed! good idea about freezer food - I'd forgotten I did that last time

eidsvold i am very sorry that you have been through situations some of us cant bear to imagine, but how naive of you to think no one on this board has ever suffered... you dont know us at all, but you seem adamant to fill us in on your history...

i dont know who has riled you or what has upset you and i do agree that spreading the word and changing narrow minded opinions is for the good of the majority, but do you realise that your posts make you look narrow minded? and patronising? and bitter? and my god woman dont you sleep!?

i do admire you as a mother you has suffered, battled and continues everyday... but as a woman trying to put her opinion across i find you a little agravating to say the least... i can see your sn boards mean a lot to you, so perhaps you can imagine how our board means to us?? there is a place for your debate and it isnt our ante natal thread...

speaking of which this thread is taking foreveeeeerrrr to load!! anyone want to do a new one i dont know how?? think its overdue ay?!

Plans for the day.

In the middle of a glucose tolerance test - they do them at our local health centre, so I can come home between the two blood tests.

More research (look out, you've got me started now!!)

Continue working on all the mad-panic-urgent stuff for the business that needs completed before I can't work any more: I'm the planner, organiser, and general admin person on the team. DH is great at getting things done, but a bit like a clockwork mouse - point him in the right direction and off he goes .

I was treated to lunch at a wonderful restaurant about an hour away yesterday: the Wheatsheaf in Swinton. The excuse was picking up a few reusable nappies from Duns and Edrom (go on - google earth to find them) and we ended up being given an old silver cross pram (carrycot or buggy option) and baby bath as well. One set of nappies is to try and then return (two wraps and 4 bambineo mios in newborn size) and I've also got a huge bag of assorted cloth nappies to rootle through next time I'm having a bad day.

Then why make your initial post so confrontational? If you know how upsetting it can be. Please don't judge this thread on other experiences you have had on mumsnet. People who decide to abort also need support and not judgement. It is awful that you have had the experiences and prejudices you have, but none of these has come from any of us. (to my knowledge)

I am very lucky not to have made a very difficult decision. I would veer towards aborting if i had a diagnosis of downs- but i cannot know whether i would actually do it or not because i haven't had to make that choice.

In RL it is incredible that so many people feel the need to have a go, in my opinion usually to legitimise their own choices. You have been a victim of that to a large degree, but i am sure that all of us on here have already experienced it to a lesser degree.

THe discussion on this thread on downs as far as i remember came from one of us (who is on holiday) who had had a high likelyhood of having a baby with downs. She was agonising whether to have an amnio or not and had to think through whether it would make a difference to her actions if she did have a diagnosis of DS. In the end she decided she wouldn't because she was not going to terminate. This was some time ago and i don't know how this can be construed as offensive. I won't say any more about this individual's situation because it really is not my place to do so.

ideas for a title?? how about soemthing like 'Due in Dec 2007 - writing those lists' (feeling inspired with thelady's lists) or is that a bit pants??!

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oops try again
new thread

I'm with you Suey - and am upset and angry that Eidvoid felt she had the audacity to hijack our thread. For a start, there is no one on this thread who has mentioned anything out of order with regards to Special Needs as I'm sure we would have corrected them. But we now do not have the right to share our fears and intrepidations with our sisters going through the very same things. We have to censor our feelings for fear of upsetting people who do not belong to this group.

Keep your "egocentric" comments to yourself and stay out of our thread.

ok although we agreed to let this matter rest and i have probably said more than i should i had to find out just what this woman was on about so i headed over to SN boards...

i found what had riled her on 23rd aug, then this lady and friends discussing it on the 2nd spet and i must say on reading the post it can be easily misconstrued... however i still dont feel how waiting 10 days to retaliate and taking it to a different section is the right thing to do...

and from reading on our board the lady in questions story and treading the steps with her i can appreciate her concerns and feel it is awful that the mums 'experienced' in SN would react is such a way... surely you once had similar comcerns??? right i am signing off now as i have a feeling this isnt going to stop here! but i hope you all have a lovely day and i look forward to reading a new post later full of ante natal planning and OUR daily lives x

Morning all,

Back from Dublin and our proper wedding. Was fantastic and definiely feel like a proper MrsSkidaddle now.

mixedmama - congrats on DS2!! Great news

thelady - my Goodness, that's some list!! Not sure what you'd use as your bag to accommodate all that lot - maybe a 75litre rucksack...

neuro - word of warning re using disposables at first with the intention of using non-disposables afterwards: I know of three couples who have tried this and have got so used to disposables, which are let's face it, much easier to use than non-disposables, that they couldn't bear to give them up. Not to say that this will happen to you but my advice would be to use non-disposables as early as possible so that you don't get too accustomed to the convenience of disposables. You can use muslins at first when they are really tiny, and you can get tiny little newborn wraps (can find out the brand if you're interested) because the small size will be huge on a newborn at first.

Glad to know it's not just me feeling knackered and out of breath already. I'm doing that ridiculous hauling myself up on my arms to turn over in bed already as well. Three more months of this...

Eidsvoid -

Your comments seem to generalise. This morning you write of us as people who think of Downs people as second class citizens.

Maybe read your messages back and think how they come across to our group.

However as pointed out, we don't all need to air every bit of our life. I declined the tests, but didn't feel the need to share with everyone.

However - please don't think that we don't care.

Since my early teens I have worked voluntarily with children and adults who have Downs, Cerebal Palsy, Multiple Sclerosis, and differing levels of brain damage. These people are angels, and I have taken holidays, celebrated birthdays and sadly been to funerals which seem far too early for such bright lights. This is not my day job, but something I feel passionate about.

It does seem like your comments are a hijack of this thread. Therefore I agree with comments posted by others. This thread has always been for those are due in December (with one or two late Novembers like me and early Januarys).

Should you have been part of this thread and within these dates, who knows - maybe the discussions would have gone in different directions.

As you can see from the passioned responses, many may feel like me that we are being unfairly judged without you knowing the slightest thing about us. It would be wise to better know people before you jump to conclusions about them.

Welcome back MrsSkidaddle!

I'm certainly not planning on taking all of that in with me - just it seemed a good idea to pull all the advice together in one place.

Right: I'm over to the new list now.

Congrats mrsskiddadle, so glad you had a gorgeous day

Morning!

I'm off to the docs today to discuss me not coping at work, I feel like a wimp but am really stressed with a number of issues there and my work station is causing me neck and back ache. Actually I'm REALLY pissed off with my boss but that's a far too long to go into

Thelady - Very impressed with your lists.
Tea tree oil is also very good for stitches, put some drops (and lavender) in a carry oil or in milk then in the bath and wow, very comforting.

new thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2290/386965?stamp=070912092043

Just adding myself in, to help even up the expected sexes! I have another consultant appoitment next week, so I might find out what shape my dodgy mended pelvis is in. Ive had to see the physio about pain in it but apparantly the pain is all to do with pregnancy (sacro iliac joint) not the break. Not convinced as it is the same place/side as I broke it.

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