Due Sept '07 - Loving this weather - yes WE WILL make it through the summer thanks!!!

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I did it (slightly adjusted the wording - is it OK?)!!! Now all we've got to do is a link from the old one to the new one - I'll leave that to somebody a bit more competent!

By the way, I just go laalalaalalaaa when you guys talk about epidurals/pain relief etc. I really didn't enjoy having one when I had DS but I had to as they had put me on a drip and all sorts and I had lots of complications. Ended up with even more severe migraines for years afterwards too. Didn't have one with DD1 and much preferred the whole experience. If I can get away with it this time, I'm going to try and avoid having one (obviously can't predict how things will go!). Gas & Air me up all the way!!!

PLP xxx

Thanks dal21, you're right it is good that he is talking as he used to just go into himself if that makes sense!?

It's so tempting to just say 'buck your ideas up boy, you've got a baby on the way!' but I know that won't help - if anything it will make him worse so I'm biting my tongue!

Thanks for listening, its amazing how having a moan helps!

oh no hopey, poor poor you and dh.
and you plp.
Really sore today and feel unwell, but probably because I'm tired. Had a bit of a fright during the night, got up for the ususal toilet stop lay back down and suddenly realised lo wasn't moving at all. This was unusual so I changed position and started pushing him, still nothing. In the end I got up and walked around, then sat back as he normally moves when I do this and finally he started moving around.
Poor thing must have been asleep.
I need to take lo's to the park but can hardly walk and feel rubbish, so its a toss up between them not getting a run or me feeling worse. Either way I'll pay.
Right, I'm going to get them dressed and see.

Poor you seamonstEr! At least you're getting around to some degree even if it is around the house... I know exactly what you mean about worrying about movement - Monday and Tuesday this lo was so quiet I was getting very worried, then yesterday she didn't stop all day!?

Have you got a garden you can let the DC's loose in while you sit and monitor them without having to do anything physical?

If you have got a garden, you could invent a game which has them running up and down a bit? I'll see if I can think of anything...

HIWBB and PLP, I hope you're both feeling better as the day goes on. It's not fair that you've got extra worries but I'm sure everything must improve soon.

I feel a bit guilty for complaining about this since other people on here are going through much worse, but I am so ruddy uncomfortable. Last night I could not get comfortable as the baby felt like she was right under my ribs and if I led down I couldn't breathe. I was a bit better this morning but it's starting to feel the same way again now. Why won't she move down a bit??

Anyway. Sorry about that. Just a little rant. Ignore me.

Hi emj23, I know exactly what you mean as this lo has been doing that too! Hope it settles down for you!

Don't feel guilty, I don't think there's any problem too big or too small on here, its just lovely that we can all share and get stuff off our chests xx

Thanks PLP, I'm really glad I joined this board, you're all stars.

I love being able to moan to everyone on here and you all understand

Not long till I can get rid of ds and get some sleep.. phew, I can feel my temper starting to fray, but bless him he is being pretty good, its just the climbing all over me I don't like atm, as I am quite hot, tired and feel crap from this cold. I hope its gone by the weekend, so we can try our holiday again

Also I'm really hungry but don't want to eat anything in case it sets off my heartburn again. I am so not doing this pregnancy lark again

the big sea - I had something similiar a few nights ago. LO is usually giving a few well timed kicks as I settle myself to sleep and had nothing. Was worried and DH asked if I wanted to go to hospital, but I relaxed and in the next few hours, baby had kicked me again. I guess I am so used to its routine it totally throws me when it doesnt kick at its normal times. Am pretty sure this LO is still breech as all kicks are low. Does anyone know what it is that makes baby turn? I am tall and not feeling too uncomfortable yet...could it be because baby still has lots of space and doesnt need to turn??? I have no clue.

HIWBB and PLP sorry to hear that life is crap for you and your DH's are suffering for different reasons. It does sound like they are both getting/going to get help from professionals and you both sound amazingly supportive. I am really sending you positive vibes that it will get better. Like emj23 said I feel bad having trivial moans about stuff when you have such massive things to deal with.

Like Mrs Fish I also love being able to moan on here and you all are stars and don't judge.

emj23 I also have the baby's head stuck up under my ribs and she stretches up every so often which feels like she is trying to break out and it is so uncomfortable. The thing I found helps is to go on all fours for 15 mins before bed if you can. I pile up a huge pile of cushions, pop a book the other side and go on my knees resting my arms on the cushions whilst reading a few pages (almost finished Harry Potter in this elegant position!). It seems to make the baby drop a bit before I lie down and sleep.

Dal21 - my midwife told me not to worry about the baby not turning until 34 - 36 weeks and they can still turn at 38 weeks. Things that help are going on all fours for 15 mins a day with your head resting on your folded hands but without letting your bump rest on your thighs (ha ha!) or lying on your back with your pelvis slightly raised on pillows if you don't find this too uncomfortable.

Had my second NCT this week and teacher showed a water birth video. She did say that anyone who wanted to could leave but of course no one wanted to be the one who stood up and actually walked out the room and stood in the hallway. I wasn't really sure afterwards how I felt about it. Whilst it wasn't that gory and quite calm I did feel for DH who is sqeamish and they did a close of shot of the head emerging and then showed her holding the lo with the water all red underneath her. Neither of this is bad for me but I am not sure DH really enjoyed it. Am I being uptight in thinking that I am not sure whe should have done this as to be honest birth is going to happen and be different for everyone and so i am not sure if the video really helped prepare me or DH. Am I wrong to feel a bit cross we were put in that situation without a real get out option? All I really wanted was for her to perhaps have offered the option of putting it on and then doing another excecise/talk in the kitchen so people had a choice and could make it seem like they were just opting out.

Now I have got that off my chest I feel better. DH said it was fine but he is a nice man so wouldn't want me to worry he was freaked. He also did come away from the whole evening saying the immortal words "i had better find some more easy recipes and it seems like I will be doing most of the cooking"!!!! The money spent on NCT has been worth it for no other reason than that!

Also remarkably clumsy at the moment and covered in bruises where I walk into things. this is ironic as the sun has come out and I am wearing skirts without tights to work and less trousers. My legs are black and blue.

Gosh that ended up quite long - sorry for rambling

Well we went to a friends house around the corner in the end, and as I said i'm just sore and stiff. Ah well could be worse. I can't even tsend the horrific monsters outside really as its POURING with rain atm. I'm waiting to hear what's happening next week re the horrific monsters, as they were going to stay with my mum, but they still have no drinking water from their taps which means they may come here again or have the boys or none of the above.

As for moaning on here, we need to moan and groan, and only we know what it's like for each other [to a point of course] and imagine how we'd feel if we didn't get it all out here?

Hi everyone,

I'm so sorry to hear about your dh HIWBB. I do hope he's back on the road to recovery soon and you can have him back at home with you very soon.

PLP - sorry to hear your dh is struggling again too. As the the others have said it's great he's being open with you and talking. I hope your appointment with the doctors went ok today.

Gosh, there really must have been something in the air last night cos I had a rubbish nights sleep too. I wasn't too uncomfortable, well... no more than ususal. I just couldn't shut my head off. I kept thinking through all the things I had to do today. Then I got thinking about our lovely chunky granite pestle and mortar which was a wedding present... I realised the pestle bit (is that the bit you use to bash whatever you're grinding up?) is missing. I couldn't for the life of me think where it was so I was hunting around the kitchen at 2am yesterday. Then I spent the rest of the night going to the loo and being desperately thirsty... now what's that all about? Perhaps if it wasn't coming out of the other end so fast I wouldn't need to drink so much!

TinaLC - it's interesting what you say about birthing videos. I started a thread about it here. It kind of descended in to a discussion about my pain issues, but I was curious too to see if anyone thought they were of benefit. I've come to the conclusion that unless its something you really want to see, there's not much point. I'm not going to watch the video our midwife is going to show us next week. I just think every birth is different, so I'm not sure how much it'll prepare me, and it might just scare me more, and I already have problems with pain as it is. Being even more scared aint gonna help! Our midwife has given us the option of watching as she'll show it at the end of the class. I hope your dh wasn't too distressed by the blood etc.

I do hope everyone has a happier day today. I know it's a bit grey and miserable here, but I just can't wait til my baby's born. Mostly it's selfish reasons, I want my body back (!) but I can't wait to see what he looks like too. I stare at every woman with a baby with undisguised envy at the moment

Take care xxx

This is my last day on here for 2 weeks as I am off to France (fingers crossed for no heatwave!) - I bet some of us will have popped by the time I get back, so best of luck ladies!

I think it's time for an "excitement about our babies love in" session OK, so here goes on mine...

I CANNOT wait now to meet my little boy! He's my first baby and I can't wait to hold him and to say 'hello, I'm your Mummy...' (wipes away tears). HOW exciting is pregnancy ...? (as well as being hard and tiring of course ).

love to everyone, will miss you all.

Holly

Yay Holly!!! Have a great holiday and you're so right. It's great to moan and get things off our chests, but I'm going to try and stay excited! I want my boy to be so happy and loved. When I can't sleep at night I keep thinking I hope he's really gorgeous looking and really sweet and kind, one of those people everyone likes! Uh-Oh hormonal tears are welling!!!!

Dal - I forgot to say, I've been convinced my baby's breech too, all the movements and kicks have been very low, all around my bikini line, but both my gp and midwife disagree, based on where they're getting the loudest heartrate with the doppler. I wonder if the height thing makes a difference, I'm 5'10" so maybe I'm the same as you and there's plenty of room for them to settle quite low. Or... our instincts could be bang on the money and my gp and midwife don't know what they're talking about

Hello everyone - Haven't been about much this week as DP off work on holiday so we've been busy! Managed to get the cake baked on sunday although i think i've eaten twice as much as DP!

Growth scan on tues went ok. Baby weighed 3lb 13oz which was about 40th centile on the chart so a little below average but still on the chart! I think what i'm finding weird is that DS was 8lb 9oz and has always been right at the top of the chart - looks like this one's just going to be smaller. They were very thorough and even sent me to day assessment to monitor baby for an hour after i'd said movements had slowed down. Took bloods as well.

They want to see me again in 2 weeks to check growth is progressing ok.

Mrs Fish - found your holiday story hilarious enjoy yourself next week!
Welcome Vicx - i'm due the 16th sept - where are you from?
Lou - i hope things have settled down for you?
HIWBB - so sorry to hear DH is back in hospital hope things improve soon xx

SeamontEr - i've been getting lots of on off crampy pains in lower tum area and when i spoke to the midwife she said they were just stretching of uterus and other bits! I thought they were braxton hicks because i've never experienced the tightenings but she said not! Sometimes the pain has me doubled up it's very uncomfortable.

Afternoon ladies.

Good idea about a babies love in session Holly (btw have a great holiday). Can I add my thoughts? I'm desparately looking forward to that moment when I'll see him for the first time. But more so when I see him for the second time, after he's been weighed etc, and he is passed to me for that first cuddle. Breathing in his aroma, feeling his little wriggles (with ds2 I asked for him not to be dressed or wrapped, but wanted him skin to skin under my gown asap, he was like that for about 3 hours - will be asking/insisting we do the same this time too), feeling him touch me, whispering into his ear and watching him respond to my voice, helping him feed for the first time. All that I'm so looking forward to. And that gradual, all-encompassing emotion that I loooovvvveeee my baby. And that I'm a mummy all over again. And that to this beautiful little creature I am the single most important thing in the entire universe. Ok, I'll shut up now, I can see I'm being boring.

Hopey, any news how dh is doing. Did you say he's going to have another op today? Hope all goes/is going well. Hope you and the boys are bearing up ok too. We'll crack open another virtual bottle tonight to help you unwind.

Plp, sorry to hear about your dh too. But what a great thing he has done to talk to you about it and see the dr. I'm sure it could have been so easy for him to keep his feelings hidden. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs/wants quickly, and maybe signed off work for a little while to give him breathing space. Its good you're encouraging him to keep work informed - the last thing you all need is flack from the boss on top of everything. I remember you and all the other girls were so supportive to me when my dh took a turn for the worse. Hope we can do the same for you.

It's interesting hearing all you tall ladies saying about being uncomfortable. I'm only 5'3" and although feeling a bit cramped, I'm not suffering too much from kicked ribs or bladder. I do know he's not breech though, and in all the scans he's curled up in a little ball. Maybe that's it, because I haven't got much space, he's curled up and can't kick/punch too much, whereas in you taller ladies your babies are more stretched out, hence the kicks etc. Maybe for the first time in my life I should be grateful for being a shortarse.

SeaM, hope your aches and pains ease up soon. D'ya know, I'd be tempted to send them out in the rain - my kids love puddles and getting wet. Then when they come in let them have a soak in the bath for an hour. Then its tea time, then bed. Sorted.

Tina, can't say that watching birthing videos really helped me at all. As you say all births are different. And from the mum's pov, you really are looking at it from a different perspective, literally. And most dads would most likely be focussed on the needs of their dw/dp, not the action up close and personal throught the lens of a camera. I did NCT classes with ds1, and I seem to remember filling out a feedback sheet at the end, maybe you could put your thoughts on that.

MrsF, sorry about that rotten cold. Do try to look on the bright side though (don't hit me) - you could've been on holiday this week suffering with it! Lets hope next week you'll be over it and have a great time away.

I've got a feeling we'll all get a better nights sleep tonight. Here's hoping!

Hi All,

Haven't been on for ages as I've been obsessing over our house move. We were meant to move on 20th July but found out that the bottom of the chain had lied all along and weren't going to be in a position to complete until the financial settlement of their divorce was through. We're told that will be in the next 2 weeks but we've been told "in the next few weeks" since June so we'll have to see what happens. It's all getting a bit stressful with lo due in only 5 and a half weeks, less if I have to have a section again (consultant will only agree to VBAC if lo is in good position - currently breech - and isn't too big - DD was over 10lb). I've decided to start preparing for the baby to arrive here and then if we move in time it'll be a bonus.

HIWBB and PLP - sorry to hear about your husbands. It must be very stressful for you and makes my worries seem trivial. It sounds like you're both being very supportive. I hope you're also getting some support. HIWBB - I hope DH's operation went well today and he's soon on the road to recovery again.

Mrs Fish - your holiday story was great and really made me laugh. I hope you have a great time next week and the weather stays good for you.

Dal and MrsMar - my midwife and I are both convinced my baby is breech. When she checks for the heartbeat with the doppler it is always high up (above my belly button). I have a hard lump which moves across under my ribs - this is the head - and I get kicks lower down and to the side from the feet. I also get quite a bit of movement high up which I assume is arms / hands. I'm booked for a presentation scan in a week and a half so I'll let you know what happens. Hopefully lo will have turned by then.

Holly - have a great time in France. I'll join the baby love in too. I'm getting so excited about meeting this little one and especially about introducing him / her to DD who absolutely loves babies at the moment. She's so affectionate to my bump that I can't wait to see what she'll be like.

Wow! Didn't mean to go on for that long. Apologies for the self obsessed / ranty beginning.

Hope everyone's day is going well

xxx

Just caught up with the posts -

Seamonster hope you're ok and feeling abit better. Take it easy! I think we all need reminding sometimes, I do hope you haven't done anything serious.

HIWBB so sorry to hear about your DH - lots of healing vibes coming your way.

PLP sorry to hear that your DH isn't too good either, hope it's just a minor blip and he'll be back in shape soon.

I too had a crap night's sleep last night - reading all the posts is the only way I can keep my eyes open at the moment. I've been feeling pretty uncomfy recently - baby really pushing up into my ribs. Interesting about the height thing - I'm 5.8 so on the tall side. Baby would not stop wriggling and kicking - like she was doing star jumps? I ask you?! Need to get out of SIL hen night tonight - fear I will drop asleep at the table if I go.

Re birth videos - I'm undecided, as I am terribly squeamish but trying to educate myself. I actually saw a clip the other day on that BBC3 programme (make me a baby think it's called) and there was so little blood (sorry if TMI) and it was so quick (the actual birth, the labour had been edited) that I was quite reassured. It's difficult to know what response one is going to have to these things until it's too late? can't decide whether to watch the ones at the classes I'm going to. Might give it a go with my hands up to my face so I can look through my fingers, wimp-style.

Holly - have a great holiday - I am jealous, working in this hot weather is not fun!

spangly - bad luck about house - that does sound very stressful - but it sounds like you are doing the right thing by planning for the baby anyway and not getting het up about moving. Good luck!

My baby is breech too - wonder if that's why it's so uncomfortable? I was hoping the wriggling I experienced last night might have been it turning round but I can feel the back and head (I think?!) still high up.

Mrs Fish - forgot to wish you a good hols too - at least you know the way

Hmmm. I hadn't considered whether the discomfort thing had anything to do with height, I'm only 5ft 2 so I'm not sure about the link there.

Have a great holiday Holly29!

Lots of posts, no chance to catch up on them all! The decorators are out and the bathroom is finished! hoorah! looks fab! have cleaned all the dust away and bedroom is all prepped for a lick of paint which DH and I should be able to do in a few hours tomorrow! Hoorah!

Re. the height - I am 5ft 9inch...so I think there is something in the height/ bub having more space to move and kick.

It is official by the way - tons of us on this and the oct thread had horrendous nights sleep last night - last night was a rubbish night for rest. Join me in willing that tonight will make up for it and we will all be raving about the good nights sleep we had tomorrow morning.

Hey, wasn't last night a full moon? Or am I making that up?

Enjoy your bathroom dal.

just looked it up. am such a saddo. last full moon was 30th Jul....so no.

so we're not witches then?

LOL kinki - depends who you ask!! i am itching to get off sofa and start the painting tonight. DH will kill me if i do tho' so have resisted temptation!