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Hello all and welcome to this month's thread!!
Let's all stop feeling sick and start expanding now

Buzzybee - is that nuchal score low? i've forgotten how it all works. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
Hello Beller! I wondered where you'd gone. Glad everything sounds good with you.
And hello everyone else x

I only ask because amnios sound so horrible and dangerous. Eeeek.

Hello everyone,

buzzybee- 5% chance is really really low in general terms - of course it's completely your decision whatever you decide to do but if you think of other incidences where there was a 5% chance of something happenening, you would think of it as neglible. It is statistically insignificant (said the psychology PhD!)!!! Don't mean to persuade you one way or the other but please don;t let this make ytou think there is likely to be a problem. Hope you are OK

Hi beller, marathon runner! I'd also wondered where you'd gone. Have you been running the last few weeks? I can feel myself really slowing down now and getting out of breath much more easily.

cazzybabs - of course we missed you!!

macdoodle - that makes me REALLY want some asparagus...

Well I've been fainting left right and centre this week! Feel OK most of the time, just a bit lightheaded and weak. Yesterday I fainted in the middle of town in front of dd (and about a hundred shoppers) - very embarassing. Was worried dd might be freaked out - not at all - laughed her little head off

Hiya all!
Flipflopper, so so sorry to hear your news. Hope you are doing as well as you can be .
Neuro, I think what you are doing is fab, why leave it to chance? A close friend of mine has settled down with a man who she gets along with but is not the love of her life. They both know it is not a 'forever' thing but were both at a stage in their lives when they were ready for children - as I said, why leave it to chance?!
Buzzybee sorry to hear about your Nuchal result, 95% of baby being fine is good but you have to do what is best for you and if you feel that knowing is better then go for it. Hope the test goes well!
Well I am feeling much less ill in the evenings now although food still tastes shite and I seem to be more tired than ever now! Does anyone else find their bump is bigger and harder in the evening? Mine definitely is! Am hoping the MW will try to test for a HB next week for me (will be 14 weeks) so I can relax a bit and tell my DSs!

Hi everyone. I really need to start posting more. I lurk all the time but never seem to post! I had my dating scan a couple of weeks ago and am now due December 5th so I've changed it below.
I'm off work at the moment with a broken coccyx. It hurts!!

My bump def feels harder at night, I thought it was just cause I'd eaten so much throughout the day! Think it has something to do with the bladder but not sure what!

Neuro 29th Dec my first baby
jinxed 26th Nov 2dd's (2.9yrs and 1.6yrs)
Nbg 28th Nov 1dd and 1 ds (3 and 9 months)
BeansterMum 30th Nov 1dd (nearly 2)
cazzybabs - 30th Nov 2dds (4 and 2) 2mc
Angelhunter 1st December, 1dd (12 mths)
tombliboo 1st Dec 1dd (22 mths) 1mc
kandi 1st Dec 1dd (16 mths)
thelady 2nd Dec
BeachBunni - 3rd Dec
Bunny Baby 3rd Dec
mad4girls 4th dec 2dds (7,4) 2mcs
Ambi - 4th Dec
Kitsilano 5th Dec 1dd (23 mths) 1mc
BornToBeAPrincess 1st Dec 2dds (3yrs and 9 mth)
GemBean 6th Dec 1dd (13 mths)
Claraq 6th dec 1dd (19 months)
Taliac - 6th Dec 1dd (10mths)
mimicakey - 6th Dec
Lizzer, 8th Dec, 1 dd (7yrs)
skidaddle 10th Dec 1dd (17mths)
Caz10 11th Dec
daisyboohoo 11th December
Insywinsyspider, 13th Dec, 1 ds (12mo)
Bimblin 14th December, 1 ds (2)
dundeemarmalade 14th Dec
Bambino1: 15th December 1dd (3 in aug)
Lucy 16th December, 1 dd (14 mths)
Fifisworld 17th Dec 1 ds ( 11 mths)
FurryFox 17th Dec apprx, 1 dd (20 mths)
peanutbutter = 21st Dec, 1ds (21m)
Bouncingturtle - 23rd December.
Curlygirly 24th Dec, 2dss (4yr, 21m) 1mc
littledetails 24th dec
Fleacircus - 25th Dec, this will be my first!
MotherofZ - 25th Dec 1DD (18 months)
buzzybee - 25th Dec, 1 DD (5.3 years)
Keepitreal-26 Dec 1DS(8yrs)2DD(IDTwins 7mths)
Becklespeckle, 27th Dec, 2 DSs (6.10 & 4.4)
Niks - 27th Dec
Tabimum - 27th Dec 1dd(13 mths)
Housemum - 29th Dec, 2 DDs (14 & 4)
macdoodle 30th dec 1DD (5years)
Awen - 5th Jan - 1DS (7yrs)

Buzzy oh dear try not to panic only the odds - how old are you and how do you feel about if it was a downs baby and what would you do - all the things which were going through my mind - if you want to know or you would do something then you have to have an amnio if you don't care either way ?? there is the risk of MC what a horrid decision to make ....
My thoughts were I really didn't care if it was downs (I would love it the same and downs have excelleny quality of life now and enrich every one they touch ) My concern was more for the other abnormalities with less life for the baby didn't want a baby that would suffer (edwards pataus etc)...sorry to confuse you just all thoughts that were in my head...good luck whatever you decide x

buzzy - sorry you're going through this worrying time. As macdoodle says, have you thought what you might do in the worst case scenario? We have severe physical disabilities on dh's side of the family and are therefore having further tests again this pregnancy, but i'm much less certain this time around of what my decision would be in the event of the baby having disabilities. It's such a horrible thing to have to go through isn't it? Good luck for next week and try to focus on the fact that there's a whopping 95% chance everything will be just fine.

I wish my tum felt hard at any point in the day....it's pretty much soft & flabby 24/7

I wish this weather would buck up - i'm dying to get in the garden with ds and his new toys. We got him a paddling pool with a canopy from Amazon and a water play table with a water wheel which was in the sale at Blooming Marvellous (oh and i managed to slip a few more maternity items onto the order while i was about it )

Please can somoene tell me what an HB test is?
Thanks Becklespeckle! Urgh your poor friend having to put up with a man she doesnt love!!! Sorry, I've got the point of being overly independent and feel extremely loath to give up my bed space (and snoring space) unless i am in love with someone. I KNOW there are tons of men out there who do plenty of housework, but few who havne't needed telling! Anyway, your two friends might fall in love when t'baby comes along. I know with my future baby's dad that when i found out i was preggers it only clarified further to me that he wasn't the person i wanted to live with or settle down with. But, despite all this, he's been great since i got preg and has taken to giving me 50 quid every few weeks, said he feels good helpinng me out and means i can buy better quality food in order to grow a healthy bubba. So the respect between us is building. Unless he behaves like a twat i'll encourage him as much as poss to be see the baby as much as he wants. I think it'll be ok.
blah blah.
Hard tummys: well mine was hard this morning after i'd spent a penny. I was gently prodding it like the scan woman did to see if i could feel the baby moving around. But i couldn't feel anything!
I'm a bit fed up of the weather too.
Going back to work next week so can almost guarrantee the sunshine will be back.
laters

HB ?? = ?Haemoglobin as in blood count as in check whether ou are anaemic ??
or could be heart beat
Not sure

Neuro, I'm 37 so the underlying risk was 1:150 i.e. its gone from 99% chance of no problems to 95%. Last time I had a risk assessed at 1:3000 but I was only 32 then. Anything over 1:300 is regarded as low risk.
Because they don't do the triple test with bloods in NZ this is based on nuchal fold only and as far as I know (anyone else know?) this only picks up risk of Downs Syndrome not those others like Pataus.
I absolutely agree about the amnio. I was dead set against the idea before I got this result but was honestly expecting it to be no worse than 1:100 which I could have lived with as the risk of a MC with an amnio is about 1:100. I feel like this may well be my last chance to have another baby and I really don't want to risk a MC - imagine if the test came back clear 2 weeks after I'd had a MC!
As you say Macdoodle and Peanutbutter it would therefore really help if I could get my head around whether it matters what the result is. I think my gut reaction is no, but there are complicating factors not least my DD and how it would impact on her life.
At the moment I'm thinking I want to look into all the other options for getting more info before I decide to proceed with an amnio. And as you've said 95% is still pretty good odds when all's said and done!
Have to admit tho that I'm still feeling very emotional regardless...

Morning all, jeez i haven't been on here for donkeys!!! I got to read back to 1st june!! Which i will do when i've got a spare couple of hours.
I had my nuchal scan on 14th june. Seen baby,was great,it wavedit was a lively little thing.Sonographer says all looks good.My EDD is now 31st december,i have added myself to the list.hope you don't mind.
my results came out as 1:3929 of having a ds baby. Got bloods on 9th july then i will get my date for 20 wk scan i guess.
Does anyone know if the dentist gives you anasthetic(sp)? I have broken a piece of tooth on my back bottom nasher, i've made an appointment for a check up but earliest i could get was 19th july!!
Don't want it filled without cos last time they did that it was not nice.When they drill down and blow air and the water on it, my god!!!
Sorry for long post.

Neuro 29th Dec my first baby
jinxed 26th Nov 2dd's (2.9yrs and 1.6yrs)
Nbg 28th Nov 1dd and 1 ds (3 and 9 months)
BeansterMum 30th Nov 1dd (nearly 2)
cazzybabs - 30th Nov 2dds (4 and 2) 2mc
Angelhunter 1st December, 1dd (12 mths)
tombliboo 1st Dec 1dd (22 mths) 1mc
kandi 1st Dec 1dd (16 mths)
thelady 2nd Dec
BeachBunni - 3rd Dec
Bunny Baby 3rd Dec
mad4girls 4th dec 2dds (7,4) 2mcs
Ambi - 4th Dec
Kitsilano 5th Dec 1dd (23 mths) 1mc
BornToBeAPrincess 1st Dec 2dds (3yrs and 9 mth)
GemBean 6th Dec 1dd (13 mths)
Claraq 6th dec 1dd (19 months)
Taliac - 6th Dec 1dd (10mths)
mimicakey - 6th Dec
Lizzer, 8th Dec, 1 dd (7yrs)
skidaddle 10th Dec 1dd (17mths)
Caz10 11th Dec
daisyboohoo 11th December
Insywinsyspider, 13th Dec, 1 ds (12mo)
Bimblin 14th December, 1 ds (2)
dundeemarmalade 14th Dec
Bambino1: 15th December 1dd (3 in aug)
Lucy 16th December, 1 dd (14 mths)
Fifisworld 17th Dec 1 ds ( 11 mths)
FurryFox 17th Dec apprx, 1 dd (20 mths)
peanutbutter = 21st Dec, 1ds (21m)
Bouncingturtle - 23rd December.
Curlygirly 24th Dec, 2dss (4yr, 21m) 1mc
littledetails 24th dec
Fleacircus - 25th Dec, this will be my first!
MotherofZ - 25th Dec 1DD (18 months)
buzzybee - 25th Dec, 1 DD (5.3 years)
Keepitreal-26 Dec 1DS(8yrs)2DD(IDTwins 7mths)
Becklespeckle, 27th Dec, 2 DSs (6.10 & 4.4)
Niks - 27th Dec
Tabimum - 27th Dec 1dd(13 mths)
Housemum - 29th Dec, 2 DDs (14 & 4)
macdoodle 30th dec 1DD (5years)
Imawurzel - 31st December (first timer)
Awen - 5th Jan - 1DS (7yrs)

{{hugs}} to you buzzybee.

Neuro, HB will be your haemoglobin levels. It will check your iron levels to see if your aneamic.

Hello to everyone else, hope your all doing well.
xxx

buzzy - no wonder at all you're feeling emotional - what an awful decision to have to make. Maybe an idea would be to do a bit of research into DS and try to make a decision as to whether you think you and your daughter could cope with a ds child in your family. Once you have made that decision maybe the decision to have the amnio or not will be easier?

I have seen a few threads on similar situations to yours - a search might bring them up. Also thomcat on here has a daughter with ds and is full of inspiration stories to warm your heart - you could search her too?

Really feel for you and hope you manage to come to a decision that you're happy with.
xx

Buzzy - did they do the blood test as well or just the scan? Maybe worth a quick word with your MW - our hospital does the combined scan and blood tests which is apparently more accurate - maybe they can do the blood tests privately? If it's under £50 maybe it's worth doing if it improves the accuracy of the result? Know what you mean about not being sure - I'm 39 and said that we'd stop trying at 40. If the results come back with a high risk I don't know what I'd do - it would be such a major life change, but we've waited nearly 3 years for this baby so don't know if I could do anything but have it. Even though it's too early to feel it move, I feel attached to it.

On the positive side, though, I don't actually know of anyone who has had a MC following amnio. Perhaps your hospital has statistics on how many they have seen? (If they are willing to tell you!) Perhaps leaving it as late as possible for the test carries a lower risk? (Though that has to be weighed up with what you would do with the result - if you think you would not continue, you would probably rather test sooner, though if you just want reassurance or the chance to be prepared, test later)

I don't envy you the decision at all but hope I've given you some food for thought. All the best whatever you decide to do.

Awh buzzy I'm sorry you're having such a sucky time of it. 95% are still good odds especially when you think that the chances of carrying a pregnancy past the 12 wk mark is only 75%.

Friends of mine have a ds brother and it took me a whole weekend away with them to realise he actually had the condition. He is the most lovely, big-hearted boy you could meet.

I honestly don't know much about this but are there not other markers that can be picked up at the 20 wk anomoly scan rather than amnio?

Unfortunately that combined blood/scan thing is not available here in NZ. There is apparently another different (separate) blood test but its considered less reliable than the nuchal fold. The only real alternative to amnio is to wait until 20 weeks and see if any of the other "soft markers" show up.
Housemum - good idea to do some research on risk factors relating to amnios.
Thanks so much everyone for all your messages of support. I haven't really talked to anyone in RL properly yet. Tried to get hold of MW tonight but not home. Have told a few people via text and expect I'll have at least a couple of long chats over the weekend - with my Mum and at least 1 other friend. I'm going to sit down tonight and record my thoughts on paper. I do think I could cope OK but at what cost? DD is the most precious thing in my life and I'd never want to jeopardise her happiness. Part of me thinks I'll just take the risk and hope for the best. But my analytical brain tells me I need to know all the facts before I can make an informed choice....
Have also read some of the posts on other threads and what Thomcat says is positively inspirational and has helped me see past some of my initial shock. Sorry, rambling now.
On the positive side I'm pretty sure I can feel the odd little kick now!! I know roughly where bubs is lying from the scan and I'm also feeling much "harder" in the belly. S/he wants to make presence felt! but

Dear Buzzy
I understand now. 95% still sounds pretty good. Do you have any family history of abnormalities/DS?
And altho amnios do sound unpleasant and risky, all the women i know who have had one were fine.
I can totall appreciate the impact a DS baby would have.
Good luck with your thoughts. x

Skidaddle- havnt been running due to sore boobs! Have taken to cross trainer...and going to go to the gym today and ask for a "pregnant" work out!
Neuro- Im like you with the bedspace/puting up with someone now...My ex came round on wednesday to chat (11.30 a night nice!),and ended up staying...but with his lack of responsibilty and gambling habit..im thinkign not the best basis of a relstionship along with his reaction over the last 6 weeks! Havint him in the background might be best for me and little en!
Buzzybee- I get my tests back in 3 weeks, but think its the combined, thinking of you xx

Neuro - my friend is happy with her situation even though not in love and has 2 beautiful DCs. The guy she is with is very supportive of her and great with the kids- it works for them all at the moment! Am glad your LO's dad is being supportive and hopefully he will be a positive person in your LO's life. I think if I had not met DH then I would have been more tempted to go down your route for a baby than my friend's though, it is hard enough living with someone you do love!
Buzzy, such a hard decision to make, I don't envy you hun! Personally I would not have the amnio but I would find out as much information about DS as I could. My friend has a DD with DS and she is a really lovely girl. Although my friend's DS is younger and so has never known different, having a sister with DS does not seem to affect him, they play and fight like any 'normal' children do! I think speaking to your Mum is a fab idea, as is writing down your thoughts on paper. Most important is what you would do if your child has DS, if the answer is keep it then unless you want to know to be prepared then why put yourself through the amnio?

Well put beckle - it sounds like you want the baby no matter what buzzy (though don't want to put words in your mouth) and if you decide that this is the case then that's it sorted to some degree. I think you will get the same joy, fun, frustration etc with a child with ds as you would with any other child. Your daughter will also learn to have a healthy positive attitude towards people with disabilities which is a great gift to give her. Hope you have lots of great chats this weekend and the decision becomes clear for you.

Beller - me too with the cross trainer, although finding it increasingly hard work already and am only 15+3

Have been going to bed at 8pm every night this week and sleeping till 6/7 the next morning - thought the tiredness was supposed to be easing now? Anyone else have an equally ridiculous sleeping habit??

Can also feel my uterus poking out really well now - keep giving it little pokes and shakes to see if the baby reacts but nothing so-far. I'm probably already annoying the sh*t out of him/her and they're not even born yet!

skidaddle- just back from the gym,and managed 30 minutes on the crosstrainer...then had to get off and walk on an incline for 15 mins...so yes, getting tougher and im only 13 +1! Im also still sleeping for ENgland....go to bed between 8-9, but i have to get up at 5 for work..which is hard...hate to think what it will be like when im bigger!

Please, just sit down and eat some chocolate - you're putting us to shame with your exercising! I have bought some Fitflops in the vague hope that the marketing hype is true, and that they will work my legs/bum as I walk...

housemum - plenty of sitting down and eating chocolate here, don't you worry

beller - my goodness that's beyond what I can do (20mins on cross trainer and 10 on step machine on a good day) - feel good afterwards though, don't you?

haha believe me, i am eating chocolate and crisps...plus im having fish and chips for dinner tonight..just want to exercise as well..so i can eat and not put on SO much weight hahahaha
I go to the gym as much to get out of the office as anything else!

Gosh, I am very impressed with all you exercisers. I am 15 + 4 and have to lie on the couch all day if i have as much as walked for 30 minutes the previous day! I really hope this fatigue till go soon. Anyone else struggling?