May mummies we are here!!!!!!

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Morning all, new thread for today.

MKG - she offered him that. But I'm afraid I too agree with the decision. It would have opened up a whole can of worms I think if they'd decided any other way.

Cam - I think she can still try with doner eggs.

SOH is in London, by the way. She's here til Thursday, so that's why she's not posting. I was trying to contact her on her mobile to arrange to meet up. I didn't get any response from the text so was hoping she hasn't gone into labour. Of course she might not have her phone with her, or she's busy or something.

Wow - have been away and am only really getting down to being able to post properly now although managed a couple of quick messages on various linked threads....
Lupins - your LO is gorgeous - well done!
April - congrats - I agree with others that this is scary though!

We had lovely time away in yummy child friendly hotel where we were really able to relax and DS was able to enjoy himself - he's being v sweet and even kissed my tummy goodbye when I left him at nursery this am.

Feeling a bit re pregnancy at present because it is not really going to plan (although all healthy with baby so am grateful for that). Had growth scan two wks ago and baby was head down although right at the top of the size percentile. Next day saw midwife who said LO was now breech. Saw consultant today and LO is still breech and, because LO is so big, she is booking me in for a c section on 9 May (on the understanding it can be cancelled). I am now starving myself because I have to go in for another glucose test tomorrow morning because that might give an indication as to whether LO will keep growing. Also consultant gave me instructions on what to do if waters break (ie knees to chest whilst waiting for ambulance). She was v nice but I am feeling a bit freaked out because I was so keen on a natural birth (DS was born in water with gas and air) and have been doing all my hypnotherapy cds etc. Also I am v scared of idea of csection. AND, to crown it all (and this will sound v silly), we are booked to go away for a night next week for a special family night away before baby arrives. I will be 35+6 when we go away and I am now scared LO will arrive before then (or whilst we are away). I'm sure s/he won't but with everything turning upside down it now feels as if that might happen too. Having said that DS arrived two days after his due date and, except for size and breech, this one seems perfectly OK so I guess I am worrying over nothing.
Will stop wibbling on now - thank you for listening!

Morning all, still not got my head around the fact I'm not at work and don't have to get up with husbands alarm at 6 ish. OH well I have plenty to occupy myself with, trying to finish a loose cover for my old nursery chair that my mum has given me, done most just trying to work out how to do the front skirt.

LIke most of you I feel for Miss Evans and her frozen embryos and I know that while a child doesn't need 2 parents to grow up rounded and happy I can see where the ex partner is coming from about chosing when he wants to become a parent. I know she'll be able to have donor eggs but they are very hard to come across at the mo and I guess to her it will never be the same. ON the other side there is of course now the issue that they are going to be destroying embryos, in the eyes of the law they don't have human rights though do they? I am being controversial this morning, nice to have something to stimulate the brain other than food and washing.

anneme - can completely understand all your worries, when I feel tetchy about a possible section for breech I just remember that I didn't get pregnant to have a normal delivery I got pregnant to have a healthy baby and although now it feels like a horrible prospect I try and bare that in mind.

cameroon - the frog and parrot is that the one on division street, may be rat and parrot? the warehouse sounds like roxy maybe??

Better go, dog is wining think she wants to go out.

anneme: its strange what different advise you get in different areas. ive been having growth scans because baby big. above the scale for abdominal circum at last scan (im 34 weeks) and in the highest percentile for the other measurements. (my glucose level is fine) but registrar told me they dont intervene for big babies if they can possibly help it anymore (they used to enduce at 38 weeks apparently). only way we find out if i can deliver this baby naturally is to try and he said labour is more efficient if you go into labour naturally. having said that i see a different person every time! 2 different registrars and the consultant in last 3 app. got another scan and "consultant" appointment at 36 weeks. wonder who i will see then!?

having a preg moment anneme - just seen that your baby breech. i understand now. sry!! feeling v tired today.

TYG sry didnt post thanks re your comments about hubby's kids. unfortunatly its a no win situation and to be honest i dont think there is an answer. hubby and i been together 6 yrs. early on ex wife banned me from seeing/spending time with the kids. couldnt handle anyone else getting close to her children basically. we went along with it (stupidly) for a quiet life, and to ensure hubby had quality time with his kids. now 6 yrs later i have been built up up into some kind of monster figure in their minds unfortunatly aided by ex...i have heard her call me all sorts of terrible names in front of them on the phone) and they have been totally poisoned against me. hubby tries so hard but at 13 15 and 17 its hard to change this ridiculous situation we have got ourselves into. as a consequence hubby drives 1.5 hrs each way on saturday and sunday every other weekend to see them. (they refuse to come to the house let alone stay over because of me...)
we are actually quite worried about them and he would dealy love to spend more time with them...holidays etc especially as ex seems to leave them alone a lot. new years eve was a good example. we would have loved to have them with us. instead they were left alone at home (oldest only 16 at the time and in charge of 2 younger siblings and 2 even younger cousins)
anyway. sry to go on. there is no easy solution to this.
incidentally they have said the do want something to do with their half brother/sister but not me. now how is that gonna be possible?

made in devon - you are right about different areas doing different things, my AC was 95th centile and predicted weigth 10 1/2 lbs which for little old 5ft 2 me, size 8/10 pre pregnancy seems huge. I live in sheffield and here consultants don't deliver early for the reasons you said but 20 miles up the road in Barnsley they would do. Who's to say what's right and wrong as with many things in medicine opinions change so quickly its hard to keep up.

Anneme - I completely understand why you're feeling so low, especially considering all the advice you're getting from the consultants is very negative.

First of all, stick with your hypno CDs - there are lots of women who say they turned their breech babies by doing lots of self-hypnosis and "telling" the baby to turn. My teacher's sister did it whilst in labour...

Secondly, and this is purely a personal non-medical opinion, I think a lot of consultants make women worry far too much about breech births. If you see previous May threads, Marslady (a doula) has been doing courses in attending vaginal breech births. It absolutely can be done under the correct supervision (even at home) and so it makes me a bit and a bit on your behalf (and all the other ladies this has happened to recently!) that the first thing that was offered to you was a c-section instead of practical advice about what you can do instead, or even "try this before we do a section".

If you do a shout out to Marslady there on the antenatal threads, I expect she'll be able to tell you lots of good positions to get yourself into, to turn the baby and she'll be able to tell you a bit about vaginal delivery too, although you'd have a bit of trouble convincing the consultant.

FWIW, my mother was born breech, or as her mother says, "Born bloody awkward you were!" My Grandma was 16 having my mum, they didn't have scans or even know my mum was breech until, well, they saw an arse coming at them during the birth! I really, truely believe that sometimes out medical knowledge can be a hindrance to us because we just know too much and it gives us things to worry about.

Plus, my hypno teacher made a very good point I think. She said we're all human, and humans like to know where they stand and what's going to happen and that includes the medical profession. They're at their ease if they know they're doing a section or know they're doing an induction, for example, because then your labour and birth will most likely follow a set pattern, even if it's a cascade of interventions - they still know what to do. What is harder for them to cope with is not knowing what will happen so it's not surprising that they don't want to let women try to do a vaginal breech delivery becuase it makes them feel uneasy not knowing what will happen.

I hope you'll forgive me DrKG - I don't mean to "tar" all the medical profession with the same brush - I am generalising here. I think it's a bit like the way that some GPs (in my experience) will say, "take and antibiotic just in case", whereas I'd say I'd rather not and what can I do before I go down that route to fix this sore throat, iyswim. (Actually, I wouldn't go to a GP with a sore throat unless I thought I had severe tonsillitis or something, but that's another story!)

I'll get off my soapbox now. Stick on a hypno CD there and relax for 20 minutes and focus on the baby turning. It can't hurt to try.

Good luck with the glucose testing later. x

BTW, I forgot to say LG&T... Stalk away. I'd love to see you get away for a few days, even if it is just to sunny Muswell Hill.

DH reiterated that when you're back in Portsmouth, we should deffo go down and see his uncle. Says I can go off an meet you and cackle and stir cauldrons or whatever it is we "virtually" do on here and he'll spend time with the uncle.

So, just need to fix my car really...

Sodding "approved" repair places nearby (ish) can't fit me in for over a week. Will keep looking for immobiliser reset button. I'm sure it's there somewhere. Have been on various internet forums asking, have asked my Grandad to ask his mate who owned loads of cars the same make. Infinitely prefereable to fix it myself than have to pay to have it brought to a garage for them to press a button and say "that will be X astronomical sum for you to pay for 5 minutes work, thank you very much."

I completely agree with you TYG there are very many different "classes" of doctors as with other professions!! Having been an insider working in the hospital I'm to deliver in and the one a few miles away, things are very different and I know there are some consultants I'd prefer not to see. Can't beat informed decision making in my opinion, give people the facts and the info. let them make their choice with guiding if needed and then support them in whatever they want. I have a dr friend who recently gave birth to her first child at home despite lots of objection from local midwives,doctors etc it wasn't straight forward, slight meconium, prolonged second stage and cord came away from placenta in third stage. THrough it all she had 2 great midwives , she has a healthy happy 7lb 8oz little girl and at 6 days old they are both doing very well indeed. Had she been in hospital she may have had an instrumental delivery plus manual removal of placenta and had to stay in due to meconium. Just goes to show sometimes we can over medicalise things, but what works for one doesn't always work for all

i completely agree with you about the "over medicalisation" of birth. at the end of the day we are not ill woman....just pregnant! and giving birth is a natural thing (was reading at weekend that even if you in a coma your body will just go thru the motions of giving birth for you.....really made me think....)

Good morning all

Have just read through the mammoth postings of yesterday evening, yak, yak.......you lot are terrible

Pinkjenny i was watching the lady with the frozen embryo's too yesterday. Im not really sure about it, i can totally see why she would be so upset and determined to use them but i can also see his point of view. I think it is probably one of those situations that until you are in directly affected by it it would be hard to pass comment. My heart goes out to her though, i really hope she manages to conceive using donor eggs and sperm.

DrPink it seems such a waste to destroy the embryo's too, some of us were already posting on this very link having got our BFP and worrying about our little ball of cells. Then we have those little embryo's sat in a petri dish awaiting a fate of very different kind An impossible situation.

I hate bloody ethics i failed my essay on it at uni while training and had to do the a viva for it, worst day of my life. I had a hideous UTI and had just found out i was pregnant with the triplets. Ethics and me.....

AbbyLou i have had super painful kicks from this LO, the worst i have ever had in 5 pregnancies. I think it is beacause he is breech, i have a rock hard head under my ribs that even when he has moved to my left side the right side (he favours) feels like i have a bruise. I have the feet kicking off the rim of my pelvis which is probably the most painful thing he does. It actually feels like he is standing up on the rim and pushing off, i wish i had a portable scanner at home to check!

Anneme you sound like me, im sure they are going to say a section for him being breech, he does go flexed breech but is mostly footling. I know that my last 2 were 10 days and 2 weeks late and the last one at 14 days over was 9lb. I had shoulder dystocia with him and knew that there was no way i would get a bigger baby through my pelvis next time. Im pretty sure they wont induce a breech baby so if i go late again he wont fit. I wont know till the last minute and it could be seriously bad for the baby and me.

As much as i have tried to avoid hospitals and have the most natural approach to childbirth since the twins i think this time i may have to go with the flow. It does fill me with dread to have another section and be in hospital but as DRPINK has pointed out very well, i didnt go in to this pregnancy to have a natural delivery i went in to it wanting a healthy baby

Mammoth post sorry!

TYG glad you approve of stalking plan, feel free to stalk me at any time. S can take dd under her wing and hopefully boss the unruly boys around while we drink strawberry daquiris in the garden

So SOH shall i start calling hospitals then? Will text her too in a mo.

Good morning everyone, hope everyone's feeling ok today. I've got the mw this afternoon and I'm really looking forward to it - sad I know but it's another chance to hear lo. I've got to take ds today which I haven't done before but hopefully he'll be well-behaved. I'll be very interested to see which way she thinks he is lying. It seems too late on to still be moving constantly but it seems to be in a different position every time I go! Last time it was head down but she couldn't work out which side the spine was on. Last night, as I posted, my kicks were absolute agony and just felt really uncomfortable. This morning I have had to physically move a limb from under my ribs on the right!

We have all become very intellectual these last 48hours, does it come with the nesting? Having just finished a masters in Public Health we too had to undergo the ethics debate, discussions of definitions of sickness and disease and over medicalisation of childbirth, its very interesting. Has anyone else found that the whole attitude to natural birthing has changed even recently? It seems to me there is much more information given nowadays and more respect of a woman's decision to try for the most natural birth than even 6 years ago when dd was born. Or maybe it is just me that has become better informed?

Whatever happens to each of us I don't think we need to see having a c-section as a failure, at the end of the day recovery can often be quicker than for others suffering 3rd degree tears and often the c-section process is less traumatic for both baby and mummy. I do agree, however, that informed choice is the way forward.

Anyway rant over, off to the playground

DrPink, it was the Parrot pub with the world's strongest beer brewed on site, where you could only drink a thimbleful before you fell over I think I must have always arrived at the club too inebriated to recognise its name, but not the Roxy, more indie..

Cameroonmama i have had a pint of similar stuff too, from a Firkin pub. It was called Dog Bolter, i drank 2 pints while watching a rugby match many moons ago.....when i got up i couldnt feel my legs, hysterical.

Yes we are an intellectual lot this morning, it's probably a desperate bid from our prg addled brains to show we are not just baby machines.....

NEWS FLASH

Just heard from SOH.....

"Worry not, Mathilda made a desprate bid for freedom yesterday but was denied. Got to 'take it easy'. Apologise to TYG for me for not meeting her and profound apologies that she has to live in this den of iniquity. Everybody's crazy or a tourist. And i saw a real live prostitute in pretty pink fishnets."

So as we all feared Mathilda trying to escape has thwarted her plans, im very glad she decided against the trip to France she was planning......MrsJB could have had to deliver.....

Still she sounds good and is cracking me up as usual, lets hope she makes it back to Norfolk or she will have to 'register' her baby as a Londoner (or born in den of iniquity) PMSL......

Morning all

I was convinced I was in labour in the night as I was having lots of pains but think they were just Braxton Hicks as they went away eventually. I never had them with the DDs so they have been a bit of a surprise. Doesn't bode well for after pains!

DDs at Gymnastics until 4 so I have a clear day again to do some jobs - or just rest. Think I have rested enough whilst trying to catch up on here.

Can't decide what to do about third stage of labour. DP really surprised me by suggesting leaving things to take their course. I thought he was all for medical intervention. How long does it take "naturally" - anyone know?

morning! our birth class midwife said it could take up to an hour for the uterus to shrink back and the placenta to come away. I think in ina may they encourage nipple twiddling/sucking (by the father/birth helper if necessary - think there is a story with both going at it) to help it!

My natural third stage only took about half an hour, it was my fourth baby, third pregnancy so im pretty sure it makes your uterus more efficient at ejecting it. I know it can take an hour or even more.

I think it was lovely but with the last one i couldnt do it as the cord had to be cut before he was fully delivered due it being wrapped round his neck twice! I had to be stitched too so it i just wanted the third stage over to get on with that really. I wont do it again this time either as the afterpains were sooooo bad with Hugs it took all my strength to get through those without thinking about delivering a placenta.

Having said that it's much better for the baby as long as everything else is ok.

Just got some more update from SOH.....

"Checked over, all's fine. She's just engaged and have lost some of my plug and having a few irregular contractions! No dilation. Could go on for weeks yet. We are staying here tonight because we're picking up a car from Willesden in the morning. Going to take it very easy today. Might go to the zoo tomorrow if i feel better"

She is crazy, the zoo???? Methinks Mathilda may arrive in London (den of iniquity) or the zoo????!!!!

Blimey, it's all going on! SOH keep hold of that baby for a little while longer, at least until you get home!

I am having a day of feeling like the worst mummy in the world - ds and I are on our own as DH is working away for the rest of the week, and I am finding it hard to fill the time without resorting to TV - and he's only been gone 24 hours! We've played games, been to the supermarket and this afternoon we're going to play at a friend's house after the midwife, tomorrow we're going to the zoo with friends, but I just feel terrible that I am so crap at entertaining him myself! It doesn't help that I have had a crappy night's sleep, due mainly to dh being away and half arsed dreams about Life on Mars, but then he woke up at five to six and started singing in his room!!! Argh! I went and told him to be quiet, and he was really good until 7am, but I was awake then! So I've been rather grumpy and short tempered today as well which doesn't help. Braxton Hicks feel very strong today and I have some lower back pain which is driving me mad.

Sorry for the moany post. I need to stop reading the post natal threads as well, as they are making me feel even more scared - of what is to come when the baby finally arrives!!!!

In our NCT class they said they can put the baby on to feed which probably has the same effect as the Nipple tweaking!!

SOH - cross your legs! We can't have another May baby arriving in May. Already freaked out
The zoo indeed - are you mad?!?

April even
PG Brain in action

Hi all,

Today its my tunr to pnaic-havent felt the aby move since yesterday morningnad what with bing sick and etc all night am a bit worried-getting quite bad crampy pains and not sure if they are to do with the tummy bug or something else..Going to have a bath in a sec and see if baby wakes up, and if not call hps I think nad go in for a bit of reassurance..(am at home BTW, not bathing at work, though the assisted bath might come in useful actually..)
Assuming im ok tomorrow TYG any Starbucks is fine-Will we say the one on the high st as if its nice weather we can sit out-at 3?But will let you know if cant make it...

SOH's baby could be born in the new gorilla enclosure-I hope she gives us all a mention when she is being interviewed for the news about it!

I havent had my secret stork thing either yet Mrs JB-but not sure if my person got theirs..What is the thread title for checking?

Chin up to all those feeling the pg miseries today-sometimes it all gets too much I think in these last stages-well it does for me anyway-I have become a real cryer over the last few weeks..and more than a bit tetchy because im uncomfy..

Im in a total panic about what on earth im going to do with DD whej im off by the way Intheseshoes-she has been used to the childminder and all the kids there-from week after next she will be stuck with just boring me-plus I will be massive and not very mobile-have booked her into two toddlers groups and a sort of soft play thing already, plus my olf Bumps and baes group still meets and Im organising the May one for this year-but that will still leave me about 3 days with nothing planned, she will be so bored poor child..

oh, Woodstock-didnt have the heart for the gazumping in the end, and our original buyers had the survey done on ours this morning-so hopefully things are on the move a bit now..Just couldnt do it to them..Being pg has made me into a softie!(as opposed to the Alan Sugar ruthless business mind I was before, not!)

off to bath now, c'mon bean wake up!