Due April 2007 - Pregnant women aren't just walking wombs on legs

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We all seem to be having a tough time of it in one way or another so this seemed quite appropriate somehow!

Bloody stupid drs
Well again they start by reading all through my notes so again asking about cardiac problems from first 2 pgs and going all over previous depression which seems to be their big thing at the mo. So i assured him im fine, it was to do with very difficult circumstances before (ie being in b&b for 4 months of last pg with 2.5yr old until 37 wks and arsey boyfriend both times) and this time everything is how it should be and im very happy. And yes ive been to see the mental health team (who couldnt understand why i was there if im not at all depressed).
I told him i was however concerned about my hip pain. He drew me a lovely little picture of a pg womans tummy and hips and explained how ligaments soften and the baby is heavy ( who knew?!) so thats why it hurts and the only treatment is delivery, its just a pg thing. Then when examining me he actually said to the student dr guy be gentle there cos her spd will make it very tender. So he accepts its spd but didnt consider it important enough to refer me to physio or even write it down in my fucking notes

Then he tells me he wants to see me again in 3 weeks just to keep an eye on my mental health and they would like me to have regular appointments with the mental health team to make sure im ok, especially after the birth as babies can be very hard work. No shit!!
It is very good that they are so aware of pnd/and and placing so much importance on it but i wish they'd listen to me when i tell them im fine and let me focus on making this a positive, happy experience instead of harking back to my previous pgs and constantly reminding me of all the problems i had. And when i actually did have depression in my last pg they did fuck all about it, even after i spent 3 days in hospital with heart problems having ecgs and x-rays and all sorts of tests to find out what was wrong. When they eventually decided it was AND they just sent me home and did bugger all.

Sorry for the rant it just annoys me but no point saying anything, they're so full of their own importance they dont take the slightest bit of notice of anything i say. Not to mention the fact that they only understand 50% of what i say to them anyway and vice versa! Will go and see my gp re spd and hopefully she will do something. And may not bother going to hospital again, may just stick with community mw from now on. The only reason im even on their books is cos of the cyst at the 20 week scan, if it wasnt for that i wouldnt have been seeing consultant at all.

Glad to hear WO is being closely supervised.

flump - just PMSL about the nork revealing at the race track!

I too, am loving all this open talking about bf and bottlefeeding. I'm avidly taking notes, what a good idea about the parasol.

It's looking like all potential bfeeders should get these Liliepadz.
Saxons - the book is called 'Three shoes, one sock and no hairbrush' everything you need to know about having your second child. By Rebecca Abrams. I got mine on ebay for a couple of quid second hand.

I'm also bidding for some slings on ebay too, so thanks to the person that gave me the idea. It should make things easier.

For the ladies having twins, I admire you so much. I'm moaning my head off about how miserable and umcomfortable I am, and I only have 1!

Emmy- I can hardly keep my eyes open most of the day, so I nodd off in the staff room! When do you finish work?

at your doctor

Just a suggestion - why don't you go to A&E about your SPD? Chances are you will get referred to physio virtually straight away. Might have to play on it a bit iykwim. (not that I'm saying that its not painful, but thats what the mw told me to do if I couldn't get a referral)

So it's all excitement, round here recently, so glad that WO and bump are ok.

Ooooggs I was so excited at the thought you had had your 2, even mentioned to the multiple mummies that there may have been a new arrival, but no your holding on to them for a bit longer.
Seriously now glad everything is ok with you

I had my visit with the scanning woman (can't remember the correct name) and consultant yesterday, the DT's are fine, they are both head down now and have about an inch of room left, one is 4lbs 5 and I have a slightly greedy one as the other is 4lbs 7.
I know it is only a rough estimate but it has made me feel alot better knwing that they are such a healthy weight.
The consultant was a bit worried about my blood pressure but has told me to take it easy adn come and see him next week and they will book me an exact date for my section.
So it's all good on the baby front.

I noticed that someone had a link to the poodee bottle, I have one it looks crazy but I thought I would give it a go as you don't have to hold it when feeding, It may work it may not.
I think I have every type of feeding equiptment about to test out on the DT's so I can BF 1 and express for the other and then swap them over the next feed.

Morning ladies. Have been lurking over the last few days and enjoying all the chat esp re bf'ing. Whilst I totally agree it's a very personal choice for mum and baby I do think breast milk is so so important and every drop counts. I don't really get the first time mums who don't even try it for a day or so before deciding its not right for them - how do they know if they don't try? That said I am absolutely against pressurising mums to do it! Its weird how society has shaped our views on it so much - I too suffer from the "public embarassment" factor and I wish I didn't - why should I be embarassed when I am doing absolutely the best thing for my baby?

I also canot stress enough how important it is to get help in the early days, to avoid problems as well as solving any that do arise. If the main problems can be avoided then it will be a more successful and happy exerience all round. Even when going well breast feeding is such hard work until the baby is weaned and you drop down to 2-4 feeds in 24 hrs. The morning feed in bed and the bedtime feed were always such a pleasure and a lovely time for cuddles etc. Once DS was 6 months I quite enjoyed it and stopped around 9 months which was right for both of us - and because I knew I wanted to be getting pg again around DS's first birthday and wanted a couple of months when my body was not suporting 2 people IYSWIM!

I agree with most of the views on extended breastfeeding too - cannot imagine feeding DS at 21 months, he likes to see mummy's boobies anyway, would be mortifying to have him asking for milk!!!! However I do respect other people's choices... and I do feel funny about seeing older toddlers with bottles too.

Glad to hear WO is ok and the twins are all still inside! I wonder who will be first?? One of my neighbours who has the same due date as me had her baby ( a girl) on Monday which is weird, exciting and scary all at the same time!!

My little one has also dropped and I feel much much better in the rib area. The GP wrote 3/5 on my notes but I'm not sure what that means?? DH is convinced this one will come early (DS was born at 38 weeks) but I'm not counting any chickens. Also we are supposed to be having our loft room split into 2 rooms (1 for DS) and the bui.lders were supposed to have started a couple of weeks ago - not seen anything of them of course! Am getting ever so slightly stressed about it as can't get anything readty for the baby until DS has his new room to move into and I'm worried he will feel shoved out etc etc if the timing coinsides with the birth. Aaarrggg bloody builders!

I've also read that book on having a second child. Whilst its not that helpful in a practical sense thought it was very interesting particularly in relation to how society is not very helpful to women with more than 1 child.

Gosh - that was a mega post! Must get on with some chores etc whilst DS is at nursery so I have a free day with him tomorrow.
Hope all those with aches, pains, stresses and worries start to feel better soon.

Hotlips
34+3

Hello all

Hope WO is getting lots of rest and wishing her all the best.

Off to the mw later today, fingers crossed it's the nice one! Have a few questions to ask and the other one just doesn't listen to anything I say .

Had some good news about paternity pay. Turns out DHs company offers 1 week at full pay (rather than 2 weeks at statutory pay). Works out great for us cos DH could only afford to take 1 week off at stat pay so he's now taking 1 week at full pay and 1 week of holiday. Means he won't lose any money but gets 2 weeks with me & LO.

He was saying how he can't believe our LO will be here in a few weeks and how sweet it'll be. I said "yeah and it'll cry & poo all the time, you might not think it's so sweet then!" His response was to say it'll make cute noises too tho....and proceeded to make sheep noises ...anyone think I should be worried????

Am planning on b/f if possible so all the tips are great. Someone might need to tell me to persevere tho when I'm tired and sore!

Been looking at my A/N notes and I'm not really happy with the birth plan...there's hardly anything on it and it just seems to be completely randomly written, no structure or order to it. Am considering writing my own to make it a bit clearer...has anyone else done this? I just don't want them to say 'oops, we didn't see that bit'.

Hotlips - 3/5 means the baby's head is 3/5ths engaged. Hurrah it's all heading in the right direction!

Mmk - an planning to keep going at work as long as possible, my official finish date is the day before Good Friday i.e. 5th April). Not due until 25th April, and dd was 7 days late, so may get 3 or 4 weeks to myself before this one arrives.

However have another scan tomorrow as had placenta previa (sp?) at 22 weeks, so will see if that has moved tomorrow. Also baby is laying across my tummy still, so may need to be turned, or she may just leave it til the last minute and then drop. Who knows, but at least I'll know a bit more tomorrow.

Nutty - I personally think that any noise or smell made by a DH should be carefully investigated!!

Everyone, what about our new feeding thread? Where is Ellie, she knows how to do it. I have followed instructions, but they don't match the links.
Shall we call it the Lilipadz support group? So we can thereby include those bottlefeeding.

I have been obsessing about sausage sandwiches all day again. The van selling them is about half a mile up the road from where I'm working, in rural Milton Keynes. Shall I go for it (don't anyone ask if I have already eaten lunch..)

Emmy
mine is laying accross my tummy too! They don't bother to see if it is engaged as I have to have a csection.

I'll be wishing you good news tomorrow.

So you have only a few weeks work left- I hope it will be easy for you.

Afternoon! Just popping in while boss is off for a quick meeting, have been following you all as usual but still busy so not much time to post. Last day of work for the week so looking forward to a long lie in tomorrow and on the plus side the week has flown.

Received some bimble easypeasy qd nappies that I bought from someone on the nappy lady - they are SO CUTE!! Oh my god I am loving real nappies before even starting, you just could not get so worked up over disposables, I'm convinced of it! Even dh just melted when I showed them to him.. they're so teeny!

Well that's my break over.. better dash but will be back later on.

6 weeks 5 days to go...

Emmy
mine is laying accross my tummy too! They don't bother to see if it is engaged as I have to have a csection.

I'll be wishing you good news tomorrow.

So you have only a few weeks work left- I hope it will be easy for you.

DH has called to see how I am, told him I'm craving a sausage sandwich, he is going to get one and bring it to me, awww, what a love!

I think 3/5 depends on the dr as to whether its 3/5 engaged or 3/5 free, 2/5 engaged. On my notes they put 5/5 meaning not engaged at all, 5/5 still felt. Which is bloody annoying!! I swear he does keep going down but then popping back out again! He's also lying slightly sideways at the mo but that changes by the hour! And his back is down my left side so good that he's not back to back any more. And he's measuring 35 weeks and im 34+3 so thats reassuring as well cos he was quite a bit ahead of himself before.

Hotlips - are we due date buddies then? 16th april?

Bubblez will email you back soon just being typically crap at remembering things!

Talking of forgetting i am officially the worlds worst mummy today. Dds tooth fell out yesterday at school so we put it in an envelope under her pillow at bedtime and then i completely forgot all about it She came into my room at 6.15 this morning soo upset that the tooth fairy hadnt been and lay down on my bed and cried I hastily said that its because we've decorated her new room all girly but she's not in there yet so the tooth fairy must have got confused and gone to the wrong room. We are going to make a big sign to put on her door tonight saying 'Maia is in this room still!!!' and hopefully the tooth fairy will remember tonight!!
Luckily she mentioned to me that they have been learning about monet at school so i could tell her that i have been to his house and gardens and found the little book and set of postcards i have from my trip so she took them to school and hopefully will be so full of this that she'll forget to tell all the teachers about the tooth fairy and i wont have the whole school knowing how terrible i am

WO - glad you are back home now and everything seems to be ok, hope you're able to take things easier now

Pesha I feel for you, they take such 'important' things right to heart don't they, and they never forget anything. I know Emily will be exactly the same when her teeth start falling out!

Oh pesha that's terrible of you forgetting about the tooth fairy

What is the going rate on teeth now days, I think it used to be 50p when I was little.

Her first 2 i gave her 50p but decided as thats about what i got as a child that it was probably a bit stingy 20 years later to still pay the same so her last tooth i gave her £1.
As she reminded me this morning when she said 'last time the tooth fairy gave me a glittery gold coin in an envelope and she wrote my name on it and spelt it right and everything but last night i kept feeling under my pillow and she...never...came' followed by crying and not the loud, shouty, spoilt crying but quiet, contained, 'im so so sad but trying to be brave' kind of crying that makes you feel so much worse. Just stick a knife in my heart child why dont you, finish the job properly!!

Perhaps the tooth fairy should bring an even bigger gold coin tonight to make up for getting the wrong room last night?

My friend gave her dd a fiver Sorry but sod that, they have 20 odd teeth FFS!!

To leap into the bf experiences discussion - I found it hell initially, to the point where, having a voracious baby boy and a stressed out mum meant that I wasn't relaxing enough. The night about 4 weeks in that we "gave in" and fed him a bottle of formula (more difficult to digest) and thence got a decent amount of sleep was heaven, and from then on ds coped on one bottle of formula a day, which meant that my norks had a chance to catch up, i relaxed - whatever - it all just settled into place, and I sucessfully combined bf/bottle until first tooth at 6 months.(YOWCH!) No nipple confusion either.

I possibly over-hydrated as well at first, which can apparrently lead to a reduction in production. We'll see. Am equally detmined to bf thsi one, but know about the formula 'cheat', and won't get too hung up about being a "failure", just 'cos I gottta hungry baby!

Tips for covering up include a pashmina/ shawl/ muslin / being so tired you're out of it anyway And the baby quite likes the dark when you're starting off too so lightly covering head's not altogether a bad thing.

Stick with it - I can relax I've done my bit for allergies, and as high risk (I have/had? truly rotten eczema and dh has asthma) I was determined to give it as long as I possibly could.

Good to know we're all holding on to our babies until they're well ready after all. glad WO is being monitored - must be most scary indeed.
I had rotten BH's this morning - and must have had through the night as a really distrurbed sleep. Bh's to the point of waking dh as we didn't get much preparation time last itme with the real thing - settled down now I'm at work. (Last day tomorrow!)

Afternoon all - child free day today so had lie in, bath and just cooking lunch - roast lamb with garlic & rosemary and roasties - yummy! Dh home - so thought would be a nice treat!

Can't remember who said about the pelvis stabilising - I think that is true - it is just the pain I feel when can feel him trying to wedge himself lower - nearly hit the ceiling at one point last night! either that or hes trying to escape!

Great news WO - make sure you rest now.

1B3 - good weights on the twins - you must be feeling very proud

Lilypadz - may get some retrieved from Baby Show - PHP stock them and will be there - so will ask her to give some to friend to bring back! Then will stick them on and let you all know what happens!

Transverse lies can be a bugger with the threat of a prolapsed cord - make sure they check you regularly if you are going for a natural delivery. My friend who has 4 kids - the last 3 were transverse and she spent the last 2 weeks in hospital for saftey But all was fine in the end and deliveries were straightforward.

We have decided to wait til after appeal and baby before we put house on market - it might all be fine and we need to concentrate on no.3 Just don't need another thing to think about!

Must go check dinner!

Oh Pesha, we have so much to make us feel guilty don't we? I think double payment should do the trick!
I hope you are feeling better after your appointment.

Dh arrived in the car, with a sausage sandwich for me, oh yum. So I rewarded him with some smoochy kissing, and he has gone away a happy man.

Anyone else got geographic tongue by the way? It is making my life a misery.
(It's a pregnancy related condition where the taste buds swell up etc. Eating cheese or spices is agony, it really makes the condition worse.

Someone else is finishing work tomorrow, so we'll have an online drink up. Order your drinks now ladies..

Pint of Magners with ice please!

I'm with you Girt. Although I very much hope to bf, I will certainly think about formula as well as time progresses.

Pesha - we could be the same! My due date depends who you ask - the midwives say 16th April the hospital the 17th. I', not too hung up on it. Am measuring 35 weeks and baby is lying with its back down the left side too!

I smiled at the tooth fairy story (sorry) as its the sort of thing I would do even when not heabvily pregnant! You have the excuse of "pg brain" at least !

Right bloody builder not yet phoned back so off to chase him again - will tell him that this stress is not good in my condition blah blah

Me, me, me!! Finishing work tomorrow I mean. Mine's an ice cold vodka lime & soda to go with all the Spring sunshine.

Pesha - a special £2 coin from the fairy for your daughter ought to do it. You told that story so well - you should do some writing IYSWIM.

Very interesting to read all the bf stuff. Will have to bookmark this thread once its finished. I bf both mine - one very successfully but DS2 much less so. Would like it all to come together with this last one.....

Hi to WO who better be taking things very easy indeed!

Where is GMM?????

Hi all. Quick post from me as I have to go into the assessment unit. Have had more leaky waters this afternoon (more than before) when I was in tescos. Was praying they didnt all go! Luckily they didnt and I sorted myself out with a quick trip to the ladies!! Am also getting some very mild period type pains quite low down in my tummy. If my waters have gone then I will have to stay in for 24hours whether I do anything or not so they can monitor me. Not desperately happy about it but it is safer, especially with the strep b to worry about aswell. Wont be able to get back on here for a while probably but will update you all asap. Didnt get ooogs email what with her being in too so cant text anyone or shall I put my number on here? What do you think? Will be around for next 10 mins or so as just waiting for dh to pick me up.

Mammyjo - email me now on [email protected] with your mobile number and I will email you back asap.

I thought of a tip today, not sure if it rechas been mentioned before but after the birth I would really recommend you pee whilst running a shower over your under carriage or whislt pouring a jug of warm water over your bits in the bath, and make sure you drink plenty so your wee is not concentrated.