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DottyA · 21/09/2016 12:58

Sorry all - I accidentally used the last message in thread 7. Hope you can find this one!

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LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 10:25

www.sleepyheadofsweden.com/safety/

The sleepyhead has been safety tested and complies with BS4578 breathable safety requirements.

Is there any specific reason to think the test results have been falsified or that the BS4578 safety standard is inadequate?

If not, I can't see what the problem would be personally but happy to learn more.

gumbootsandjandals · 07/10/2016 10:28

I have read the safety report(s). I still would not use one.

LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 10:41

Why would you not use one despite the safety reports? Is it just a gut feeling or do you know of some unfortunate incident involved with a sleephead?

LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 10:43

I should add, I don't own one but was considering buying one so I am asking out of genuine interest.

gumbootsandjandals · 07/10/2016 10:50

I have explained my reasoning above. I do not know of any incidents involving the product, but then I'm not sure how widely used they are.

I personally believe a moses basket, crib or cot with thin and obviously breathable sides is the safest sleep surface for a baby. In addition, the above offer safer bedding options for a baby, if you plan to use blankets rather than bags or swaddles. I know people who tuck blankets around a baby in a Sleepyhead. This is not safe as they can come loose.

Just my personal thoughts with my science head on.

Bisquick · 07/10/2016 11:10

Hmm - I was planning to get a sleepyhead as well London, and have friends who've used them.

Going to read up a bit more on what gumboots said though and read the safety report before deciding.

gumbootsandjandals · 07/10/2016 11:16

Just to add, Mothercare cot bumpers comply with safety standard BS1877. That doesn't make me want to buy them as I believe there's enough evidence bumpers can cause harm. However, others might find that reassuring.

LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 11:25

It seems to come down to if you believe they are 100% breathable or not. The EU safety testing standard says they are but if they aren't breathable, then they would be less safe than using a mosses basket.

I think I'll just test it myself and see how breathable it is when I see one in real life. Without any specific reason to doubt the EU safety standards, a personal real life sanity check on the product will probably be enough for me to decide.

I wouldn't use Bumpers though, even if they are breathable. Even when breathable (which most are now), they still pose a strangulation and falling risk.

If fact, even before the US design requirements were changed, most of the deaths (in the US at least) were from falling and strangulation rather than suffocation. At its peak, there were around 7 deaths a year from suffocation from the old thicker bumper design (out of 4m births a year). While every death of a baby is tragic, the risk of suffocation seems exceedingly low even for old style bumpers.

However, with new EU crib / cot safety design requirements, bumpers also no longer serve any practical purpose.

LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 11:28

I should have clarified the first part of my post related to the Sleepyhead!

I hadn't refreshed my page to see gumboots post.

Like I said, I wouldn't use a bumper because the greatest risk from bumpers has always been strangulation and falling and they also serve no practical purpose.

gumbootsandjandals · 07/10/2016 11:54

Cot bumpers may stop your rolling baby getting limbs stuck between the cot bars. Some may say that's a practical reason to use them. My children certainly let me know on the very few occasions when they got stuck. Otherwise they were content to sleep with their arms hanging out the side of the cot (I always moved them if I found them though!).

My thoughts on the Sleepyhead are my own, and I respect that others may feel that as it meets certain standards then it is totally safe. In addition, things like bumpers only cause such a small number of deaths per year, well below the numbers that die from bed-sharing, for example. I guess it's about taking the risks that you feel comfortable with.

I have not room shared for the recommended 6 months (for practical reasons) and did not use a dummy/pacifier with my children (I tried two brands which they were unable to independently keep in their mouths). Both of these reduce the risks of SIDS.

It is absolutely impossible, imo, to reduce risks to zero, so you need to feel satisfied that you're doing what you can to fit your situation. I hope that makes sense? (My husband days I should work in health and safety!)

LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 12:31

Sorry, I shouldn't have said no practical purpose for bumpers! However, before new guidelines requiring spacing to be no more than 6cm between bars, babies could literally get their heads stuck and die in certain cots. A bumper was actually used to help prevent this.

I agree that we all have to balance risks versus benefits of every choice we make and all have different ways of deciding what's right.

Like I said, I'll take a look at one in real life and see if it seems breathable (if you see a pregnant woman at the London baby expo with her head buried in one surreptitiously you'll know its me :)) and then decide from there!

CeeCeeEnnEss · 07/10/2016 13:04

Thanks gumboots and london. Basically it's the safety aspect that gets me. Reviews are brilliant, but I'm still not sure. We might take it back and then buy one later if we feel we need it. Also if baby is large I reckon it'll be pointless!

SBSparkles · 07/10/2016 13:12

Just had call from docs to say I'm low on iron and need tablets. Thanks to everyone who commented before which led to me going for a test to find out why I was so tired. At school and no TA this afternoon. Feeling really really dizzy. Someone has told the head but she's not been in to talk to me or sort anything out!? Can you work with iron deficiency? Keep feeling like I'm going to pass out on the kids!

twocatsandatoddler · 07/10/2016 13:13

Gumboots I agree with not being able to reduce risk to zero and working out what is best and safest in your situation. I didn't room share for six months either, I hated DS being there all the time so he moved out when he started sleeping for an 8 hour stint and I didn't have to feed in the night. I do think the guidelines are there for good reason and I fully support the Lullaby Trust's work to encourage safer sleep, but we made the personal choice to move him to next door room with doors open because I was struggling a bit post-birth and felt it was more important for me to avoid PND than the minimal risk to DS not being in the same room after 8 weeks.

We didn't use cot bumpers as however pretty they look, and however safe they probably are, I didn't want to take a risk with something that's basically cosmetic. DS did bump into the cot bars or stick an arm or leg through occasionally but it didn't do him any harm or even wake him up! As London says, cot bars are a regulated width apart these days so there's no danger of the baby getting stuck.

twocatsandatoddler · 07/10/2016 13:16

Sparkles my friend who had low iron in her pregnancies and encouraged me to get tested said she started to feel much better as soon as she had the tablets so hopefully you'll have lots more energy soon. And it's fine to work with anaemia, just take it easy if you can.

My iron levels came back ok, a bit on the low side I think but not enough to need iron supplements so I'm just battling on and trying to go to bed an hour early.

wispaxmas · 07/10/2016 13:25

I know loads of people who opted for air wraps instead of padded bumpers when their babies started rolling and shoving limbs through bars. We never bothered and were fine. It just one less thing to buy Grin

DottyA · 07/10/2016 13:55

Hi everyone... I've not been on much as I've been terrified of my scan today, but all is good, and I'm having a boy!

Now I can start thinking of names :-)

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LondonGirl83 · 07/10/2016 15:21

Congrats Dotty!

I'm so happy everyone is making it through their scans okay.

Can you believe most of us are at or past the halfway point.

I am struggling to get my head around it as I still have so much to do!

ScottishSnowflake · 07/10/2016 16:59

Yay! Congrats Dotty! Smile

DottyA · 07/10/2016 17:06

Thanks London and Scottish. Didn't expect to be quite so nervous of this one but I was. So relieved.

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SBSparkles · 07/10/2016 17:29

Congrats dotty!!

teabagsmummy · 07/10/2016 19:13

I saw midwife today and she reckons it's sciatica and gave me exercises to do so hopefully they help.
Just had my last night as beaver leader tonight feeling really emotional as loved being a leader, on the plus side I got lots of yummy homemade goodies from the parents

topmammy · 07/10/2016 19:40

Congrats dotty! I had my scan today too. Baby is healthy and I'm also having a boy! Grin That's one of each for me now, feeling really quite lucky! I would have loved to give DD a sister but it'll be nice for me and DH to be parents to a boy too.

The talk about the safety of sleepyheads is interesting. I just started looking for info about them last night. I'll look into it more but I'm really not sure what to do for the best. I want something to help baby feel 'cocooned' when I'm not holding him. Does anyone know if there's other similar options to a sleepyhead? I havexpect heard such great things about the sleepyhead though.

wispaxmas · 07/10/2016 20:12

topmammy, you could just roll up a couple swaddling muslins and place them alongside baby - it's something they do in NICU and something my mom suggested when DD was teeny.

DottyA · 07/10/2016 20:12

Thanks SB and thanks and congrats topmammy.

Sleepyheads look great from the reviews - I really want one too. The only other similar things I've seen are the poddle pods, much cheaper but they say definitely not for overnight sleeping. I wonder what the difference is between them in terms of the material?

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