Due February 2017 - Thread 8!

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Sorry all - I accidentally used the last message in thread 7. Hope you can find this one!

Shell I have/ not have? it is undiagnosed and not on my notes. Because to diagnose it they had to look at my ovaries and when I went for the scan for that they saw the bubba! i will have to wait until after pregnancy to know.
So midwife wouldnt have known that.
But lala mentions PCOS too so I might look at my notes again to see if it is there, but it should because they could not confirm my pcos or endometriosis hence not on medical record
Lala you are fat and so is your baby?! Honestly

London great idea about asking the birth centre. Yes, I dont have any of those factors
I am almost sure it is a mistake which is what the other midwife said.
I am booked for. 36 weeks scan anyway because today they saw the placenta low, and midwife will measure me at appointments so I think we will know if baby is "too big" before birth.
However my midwife and doula friends have told me that the estimating of baby's size it is pretty inaccurate...
Bisquick I would be upset too. That is not on!! I am sure bubba is fine but you deserve a proper scan and how bad of them they have to give you one and hopefully you het a different person

Luna totally get the digestion thing. It's horrible when you get those pains. Do you have lots of mint tea, gaviscon and windeze?

Thanks sleepy I will talk to my midwife. Apparently she is lovely but she has been off sick so I have met 2 different ones so far.
Some people on the other thread were so angry at me for even wanting to think about taking it or not
Thank you Friendly. I must remember to stick to this thread were we all share opinions without being me. I understand people dont agree on everything but...
Yes I want the nice birthday unit but I understand things can change on the day. Glad to hear a positive wouldnt be the end of my choices if I manage it well.
I will talk to midwife. Thank you.
Sparkles glucose tolerance test
Bis you are definitely not being unreasonable at all. Call them monday and explain. They should give you a proper scan

Piano I can't wait to put all the clothes on him
I like our bubble here

Who is having scans on Monday?!

Bis I'm another one who thinks you're definitely not being unreasonable! Yes, call on Monday and get fitted in - refer to your midwife/GP maybe, if you get any fuss from them?

Ever I also saw your other thread and don't think you were being difficult or strange in your question either. I am resigned to having the GTT because of my BMI - despite the fact that it's exactly on the limit of when they'd test - but I would personally rather do it and get it out of the way. However, given your BMI is lower I completely get that you don't want to do something which may well be unnecessary/may move your potential risk level for birth.

I do also think there are a vast number of MNers - thankfully on other threads! - who seem to behave in a holier-than-thou attitude and who're just online to be smug and rude and make others feel belittled and upset. Quite why they feel the need to be that kind of Keyboard Warrior is beyond me. Don't say it if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, I always think - and I bet 99% of them wouldn't!

The reason I am asking ever as I have to get the gtt because of the pcos xx

Been at a funeral today and had heels on, very high heels but they're actually my comfiest as they're wide fitting. Well, after around 9 hours in them its safe to say my feet are awful. My ankles are so swollen and puffy and my feet feel like they're throbbing, why didn't I take them off!!!

Ever, the midwife who booked you in did sound a bit.. Inconsistent. But although you've heard anecdotally that there are lots of false positives from the test I don't think I've ever heard of it happening. I'd look into a bit more before refusing the test altogether. And as for the fundal height measurements they do being able to tell that baby is big... That's unfortunately totally not the case. Size of bump does not always or even all that often relate to size of the baby. I was measuring 2 weeks behind all through the third trimester and had a 9lb6oz baby!

ever I would definitely query that with your mudwife, I wouldn't be happy to have it in your situation either. In my first pregnancy I declined the gtt and it was never mentioned again. I also had concerns about how reliable it was.
I'm due to have it this time again (borderline bmi) and am planning on having it just because I am so bloody worried about everything this time round but I'm still not convinced it is necessary for me.
Ignore the posters on the other thread

I've not seen your other thread ever but ignore those posters being mean. I don't get people who are like that online or IRL, I'd feel so bad if I was mean to somebody, especially someone I actually didn't even know. Maybe it makes them feel better about their own insecurities to be harsh to other people, I don't know :/

bis hope you get another scan next week. I'd be miffed / upset to be bundled out of there with no rescan date too.

Well I've booked myself onto my local sling library's bump to babywearing workshop in January. Hoping to have some idea how to wear a teeny newborn in stretchy wraps or ring slings before he/she arrives! I did babywearing DD when she was very small but with a baby bjorn which I've since discovered aren't the most recommended baby carriers

Friendly where did you learn that BabyBjorn's are bad for babies hips? It is still go high marks fro Which? and I can't find any solid sources on it-- just message boards.

evergreen MN has some bitter and miserable people on it, who seem to jump on anything. Ignore, and congratulations on your baby boy news! Yay!

My local sling library and online sling groups I've used have all been anti babybjorn because the hips are not well positioned and the baby's legs dangle compared to how they are supported in other carriers. I've heard they put a lot of strain on the wearers back too.

Marjory is that for older models maybe?

I can't find much information about carrier recommendations as concerns hips except this guide from a seemingly independent hip dysplasia organisation that mostly offer support for parents who have children with the disorder. They don't endorse any specific carrier but show how different carriers and slings should best support babies hips to prevent hip problems:

hipdysplasia.org/developmental-dysplasia-of-the-hip/prevention/baby-carriers-seats-and-other-equipment/

Marjory and London I've heard similar things about the baby Bjorn mostly because of the way the hip is supported - basically they say the baby's weight should be supported to the knee with the legs apart. I'm used to carrying babies (mostly because that's what we always did growing up with younger siblings and cousins) so plan to get a ring sling for the early months and a mei-tai style semi structured carrier for 3 mo +

Sorry, meant to add that the BabyBjorn Carrier one seems designed as wide hipped:

www.babybjorn.co.uk/baby-carriers/baby-carrier-one/

Its also apparently been acknowledged "a a hip-healthy baby carrier by International Hip Dysplasia Institute"

Looking at some of the older models, including the one rated top by Which? the legs do seem to dangle more though.

I'm just curious exactly what model people have read about as being problematic from hips and from where. Its so confusing. Which? apparently said parents didn't think their children were comfortable in the Ergo which is why its not a Best Buy but it obviously has loads of great reviews online

Here's a review contrasting the older models with the Carrier One London. From their response to the reviewer it sounds like they changed the design after these concerns were raised?

www.megganmamma.com/2013/11/01/why-id-never-put-my-baby-in-a-baby-bjorn-carrier/

Sorry, fat fingers - meant to type this review is from 2013 so may not be applicable for new models anyway! I found the link you shared useful as a way to compare and visualise what one should be looking for in a good carrier.

From what I've learnt so far from the sling library people a good carrier should hold baby or toddler's legs in an M position so they're more like in a sitting position. With the baby born the seat is too narrow to allow this M position to be created well enough. I just got the bjorn as I'd heard of it, it was on the shelf at Mothercare and I had never even heard of a sling library. It hasn't caused my DD any damage that I know of though Although she was a rather late walker... . This time though I'd like a fabric carrier for around the house as it'd be comfier for us both I think. The bjorn did hurt my shoulders as DD got bigger. When she was too big for the bjorn I tried her in a ring sling and when I got that on right it was really comfy, even though she was heavier.

Topmammy Bisquick that's really helpful.

From what I've been reading, it seems like if your baby doesn't have a congenital problem with their hips, it probably won't make a difference, which is probably why most parents who've used the old style Baby Bjorn haven't had issues with it.

However the absolute best practice would be the frog leg position, and the newest Bjorn carrier 'One Carrier' has that option and satisfies the hip dysplasia experts cited by me and others who appear to be the primary source of this particular advice floating around the web.

I got really confused as I just finished Brooke Shields memoir 'Down Came the Rain' and her daughter had hip dysplasia. It was bad enough that she had to continually wear a special harness. But even while the baby was in the hip harness Brooke still wore her in a Baby Bjorn carrier which seemed odd if it was a well know problem.

Anyhow, the book was really interesting. I wanted to learn more about postpartum depression as I know a few people who've suffered from it so don't automatically assume I'll be fine though I have no personal history of depression.

Long and short of it is, that I think we'll try on the Ergo, Bjorn One and Close Parent Caboo on Sunday before my bump is too big and see which one is most comfy for me and DH. We are both really tall so I think that will end up being the big factor testing it with the weighted doll. I have a bad back so I'm not even sure I'll be able to use it for that long so I'll let DH have final say.

Also for anyone else looking into babywearing, I found the baby gear lab's ratings article quite useful. Even if you don't like the particular ones they recommend it offers a good introduction to all the types of carriers out there and compares them.

m.babygearlab.com/Best-Baby-Carrier

And here's the carrier I'm planning to get m.kolkolbabycarrier.com/Mei-Tai-depid-982433-page-1.html
(Once I decide on a colour!)

Baby bjorn carriers are fine, honestly! The seat would have to be so narrow for a newborn's legs to dangle. They simply don't. Mine is second hand and at least 5 years old, and provides a wide seat for a newborn. Hips are abducted to 90 degrees and laterally rotated almost the same.

I can't stand the unfounded anti Baby Bjorn rhetoric.

That said, my soft structured carrier (Lillebaby) was definitely more comfortable as baby got heavier, but then people also say that about the Caboo.

Btw the Institute for Hip Dysplasia or whatever it's called is kind of like an advocacy group. It's not a proper medical research institute.

London my information mainly comes from the local sling library and online sling groups too. I don't know about the newer model but they're known as hip danglers and this isn't great when a baby/toddler is still developing. Also the DH of a friend works in child development/physio and recommended either the ergo or the stokke for optimum hip placement. I also think (and this is based on my experience only) that baby Bjorns aren't particularly comfortable for the wearer's back. The ergo takes the weight on the hips however two friends who bought the baby bjorn gave up using it after about 9 months when their babies got too heavy.
I would still recommend some sort of stretchy wrap/close caboo for the early weeks as I think babies are more comfortable in fabric but you'll need something more supportive for you when the baby gets heavier. The ergo, stokke, manduca and Tulas all seem to have similar hip placement. If you're interested in joining a few of us have posted pics of our slings in action on the fb group which might help.

London, I've got an annoyingly bad back as well, and found both the ergo and the Tula easily comfortable. Tula slightly more so. I can still carry DD, who is over 15kg, in a back carry in the toddler Tula comfortably. Plus, tula's are gorgeous The online B/S/T community is a bit nuts, though, haha.