We're pulling pompoms from our fanjos to cheer each other on, breaking beds, twiddling our nipple tassles and counting jeremies! It'll be sneezebirths all round on JSing Grads 34!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 34th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The 33rd grads fred is here.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 51st outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

Is 13 weeks the second trimester

Yes Jelly

Your posts make me laugh!

6 yesterday Totally

I'm upstairs hiding while DH does the waybaloo/ITNG/stories hour.

Hilarious I'm 6 tomorrow!

Little 6 weeker club

Hi gouda good to see you back again, feels like it's been a while? Pregnancy is making me thick so apologies if not. You can definitely tell the sex from 16 weeks (I found out mine at a private scan on Friday when I was 15+6, but measuring just over 16 weeks apparently). They weren't forthcoming when I had the scan at EPAU though at 16+2!

pretzel great scan pic, great news in general, congratulations! Enjoy telling everyone your news, was such a relief!

la only 2 more cm and you can be admitted that sounds v close and promising!!!! Gx you get there.

Can't believe some of you viroids are thinking about next babies already, I'm seriously tempted to stop at 1 as I hated the first trimester so much, was such an anxious, nauseous mess. I also feel so lucky to not have had a mc as I know how common they are so I don't want to risk having one by getting pregnant again - sounds stupid I know. You never know though I wouldn't rule out a second, I would love a daughter, in an ideal world I would have one of each and as this baby has a willy I would have to have at least one more! No more than 2 though, so may end up with 2 boys!

Ooh and I forgot about OBEM, going to watch that tonight! Dh refuses though as he "doesn't want to watch chavs give birth".
He's not a horrible Tory I promise, much as that sounds like it!

Oh I just posted and it's gone

Bastarding fuck, I'll start again

Ha ha!

Ok I need help understanding this! Thanks carrot, I think I get it but it's raised more questions!

So 10cm diametre = 31cm circumference.

But average baby head is meant to be 35cm. Which equates to a little over 11cm diametre. Sooo does this mean that a fully dilated 10cm cervix then stretches another 1 or even 2cms (for a big headed baby) when the baby comes through? Is that what happens? Or is what carrot is saying that the way they measure a baby's head isn't how a baby's head is birthed? The way it's presented coming through means it still measures around 10cm if that makes sense?

Answers will dictate my vigour and dedication to upcoming Epi-No use!!!

Indigo the skull bones aren't fused together so the head can be squeezed through

warning loo-oo-oong post re good birth story
I'm fairly ancient which autocorrected to sniveling! Wtf? so first baby and all there was some worry about me wanting a water birth at home. It helped being relaxed I think for me and knowing the space around me so I was clear that unless there was something obvious that came up in the final few weeks I would like to try to go ahead with it. My contractions started after afternoon visit to hospital but throughout the night they were manageable and I even got stretches of sleep. I downloaded a contraction timer app on my phone which was excellent as it gave me something to do when the contraction started and stopped and I could see them getting shorter or longer. I'd highly recommend it as it gave me a sense of "knowing" what was happening.
Also knowing that it might take a while to get going properly and would be irregular was useful as it prevents you panicking. Not nice but fine.
In the morning the mw came to check me out and we set up the pool. I walked around a lot which is something else I can recommend as I think it made everything happen really quickly. Gravity, your pelvis shifting lots, etc. I waited to get into the pool as I wanted the pool to give birth in not just to relax. In the space of two hours I went from 1cm to baby during the morning. So fast! The last fifteen minutes was hard because it felt like baby was coming out then going back in and repeat as infintum. Me? Swear at the mw to just pull the fucking baby out already? Never! Kept throwing my head back rather than putting it on my chest when pushing, so I'd gladly give the tip that head down you get more oomph going!
The mw were great at letting me push and letting me rest so I wouldn't tear. The water was fantastic for letting me move around whichever way was easiest. I'd definitely recommend trying for a water birth. If you like it, great. If it doesn't work for you, you can just get out. Also the baby comes out onto your chest pre-cleaned by its first bath! Bonus!
Dh was there the whole time (because where else could go except the kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, garden, kitchen, bathroom, etc) and in the brief minutes between contractions chucked ice cubes at me or asked if I needed the scuba gear, which was really sweet When DC was born we just both sat in the pool with the mite and waited for the cord to stop pulsing, dh cut it and I got out to fannyfart the placenta into a container delightful really, isn't it, collapsed on the bed on a bunch of towels, and had tea while he and the mw coo-ed over DC's weight (and head circumference!) and prepared the vit k shot. Then I spent a good twenty minutes fruitlessly trying to get DC to latch, but it eventually worked fine so don't stress too much of it takes while.
I found the first two weeks a lot more painful than the birth itself, fwiw. I didn't tear but you still get grazed and bruised a bit and peeing was agony! A great tip a friend gave me which she learnt from experience and which I am passing on is to just pee in the shower from the get go so the water can dilute the pee and you immediately wash to minimize burning! Really worked!
I am dead scared of the aftermath again for the next DC, not really of another birth at all. If you can, I'd say try to be interested in what is happening and ask your mw loads of questions. Keeps both of you occupied between contractions!
I have to add that I am not at all a "woo-y goddess praising we all should give birth in the oceans or on beds of organic kale" sort of person. At.All. But being in an environment that was "mine" really made me feel prepared for the next phase during the whole process. So do take the cat to hospital with you, or your favourite painting to look at because some of those maternity ward flower scenes are total mind-fucks as you never know how long you might have to stare at it!
As it was my first, not having ever had much to do with babies or pregnancy or birth, I think it was a very positive outcome and I was dead lucky to have had it. My only mantra was "no expectations no disappointments" so I was just going to take it as it came, whether it was easy or hard or I had to be transferred to hospital or get an emergency c section. And trust the mw as they have done this many times over. I think if the mw knows you trust them they are much more likely to trust you with trusting your own body. If that makes sense?
Apologies for the long post. I hope it helps hearing good stuff! and yes this was the summarized version
(Please don't kick me off the fred now? One of my friends basically told me that it was karma I was in a car accident a few weeks after DC was born for telling her and another friend it was a good experience when people have crappy births all the time. I then stopped telling people altogether it can be okay (unless they specifically ask) because I didn't want to seem smug or upset them if they had a tougher time. )

Fuck me that was much longer than I thought! Please please can I stay?

Carrot my GP didn't do those forms either and I'm still waiting for the hospital to get in touch.

Thursday Your tiredness starts and I am getting the beginnings of MS. Feel icky, think I should eat.

Haha. Course you can stay auf, they love a birth story here!

I don't know for sure indigo but MW today said something about head being slightly bigger than 10cms and everything having to line up perfectly to get out. That chin to chest thing is what makes it work, and what this baby couldn't do and he was facing wrong way!

auf brilliant birth story, we love them all! I really really want a home birth but DH not keen for my first. The reasons you gave are exactly the same as why I also want one. Guaranteed use of pool a massive bonus! I don't think you should feel remotely put off from telling your story, the world is awash with all the horror ones, and it's easy to forget some go to plan!

Yeah purple I know the bones aren't fused, but they measure the head before they've fused too, so that's what's confusing. So are we saying your cervix goes to 10cm max and the baby's head has to line up properly to make it through dulcet? Even a big headed baby has to fit through 10cm by having the right presentation? I can totally see why back to back plus large baby was never gonna happen!

Indigo - they measure the head at the widest point once born. But the baby turns and tucks chin in as he descends the birth canal, to present smallest part of head to the cervix. Also the skull bones are not fused as others have said - so extra "give".

Are you still sleeping La?

Btw auf your friend was being particularly cuntish to say a thing like that. Not cool

Minipopz was spot on average head size but not in the right position - hence I couldn't push him out and forceps.

Ok so in a well presented baby you not pushing out 11cm diametre directly, the head is sort of staggered?

Yeah I'm not wondering where la is either...