Breathing through the scanxiety, putting all our faith in Jill and fantasising about illicit paddling pools and fanjo fans - it's JS grads thread 32!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 32nd grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 50th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

Tea embrace the big norks. It's a fact of pregnancy and it can start early. Mine were stabby and made me cry last night. I'm back in sleep bras

Country it will depend on the system where you are but scan is v unlikely. I had a pre-booking appointment at 8 weeks and we just really said hello and MW gave me lots to read. Then I had my booking appointment at 9 weeks where we went through mine and DHs medical history and discussed screening tests. I had a 12 week scan and they took bloods then too and I got those results at my 16 week appointment. As far as I know women and only generally scanned at 12 and then 20 weeks. Some ladies chose to pay privately for an early scan.

Oh silly me. The only person I know who's been pg had a scan at 8 weeks. I'll be 9 on my first appointment

Once you get past 10th on that list it goes very quick!

I have researched the induction thing a little bit indigo but couldn't point you at a study. What I do know is that the 40+12 is based on when the placenta starts to deteriorate. It's not a hard and fast rule though I am sure - it can't be that at 40+13 it is significantly more risky and daily monitoring should help show when that risk actually increases for you. I want to decline induction should it get that far and keep going as long as I can without risking too much. Friends think I'm mental so just stopped saying it!

A booking in appointment is mainly getting you in the system country. There's lots of questions, bloods and urine test. Scan comes separate and later normally.

Well not sure I can answer the knockers thing tea but they probably won't continue at that rate. They will grow and change for sure!

gouda I was reading a bit about the french system - I think it sounds pretty sensible as over here you have your DD but most people go over, so if you're planning everything for the 'date' then you've still got the limbo bit waiting.

jelly it's a nightmare getting hold of a mw in my area too. I have to have my appointments in all different places:
GP surgery - mw routine appointments
local hospital - mw booking in, anti-D jab and antenatal classes, bloods
hospital in next town - scans
hospital I'm booked into (45 mins away) - anything urgent (i.e. monitoring at antenatal day clinic) plus birth

I constantly have to double-check where I'm meant to be and if I just want to ask mw something it's an absolute palaver.

Exciting stuff honey!

I had an early scan carrot for free because I never had break between mc and this pregnancy so they had to date the pregnancy, but with my first one I had to pay £99 for my early scan. First mw appointment you just give details and work out EDD, do wee sample (depending on area this is as places differ in the way they do things). I then had to go for bloods at hospital before then having booking in appointment at 10 weeks.

tea that happened to me too - I burst out of everything by 8 weeks.

indigo - I'm not sure about risk associated with induction. I think I was told it's perhaps to do with labour being artificially brought on when body's not quite ready to go which is why people are not keen to have it but I could be very very wrong there.

ANOTHER BFP! Check out the undergrads..
Someone has spiked them with clomid I reckon.

Sorry la I should have been more clear, I meant risk from going "overdue" rather than risk from being induced!

dulcet thanks, I am planning the same, should I go over. My mum refused induction three times and my pal more recently and she had very thorough daily monitoring (well she would have but she popped the day after she first refused!).

The placenta deterioration thing is what I've heard too. I'm not sure what it's based on. You'd think if they are inducing women so frequently there would be more to back it up? How can the UK think your placenta is potentially deteriorating and the French think you aren't even due?! I know the French are weird joke, I love France! but we can't be that biologically different?!

blimey they are a fertile lot right now! i hope some of it rubs off on to lil, tink and black

i just read something about someone drinking a placenta smoothie after their baby was born.

It made me gag

country - I know the system is different in the UK, but you almost certainly won't get a scan with your first mw appointment. If it's booking in it's probably just some questions and maybe a blood test. The scan will be after 12 weeks, unless you pay for an early one privately (that's probably what your friend did).

Dulcet - I don't have any stats, but I think the majority of women give birth "early" here according to their due dates. If a woman does go over her due date, then she has to be monitored a min of every 48 hours to check that the placenta isn't breaking down and that the baby isn't in distress. Although there are probably always exceptions, the vast majority of doctors won't let you go over by a week maximum, and I think even that is pushing it in most cases unless the patient makes a real song and dance about it.

I don't know for certain, but I think you can ask to be induced as well if you go over.

Indigo - the placenta is designed to work properly for 41 weeks, and after that it becomes less and less efficient at getting oxygen to the baby. There are also other potential health risks which can be very serious. In the UK the medical profession want to avoid those risks as much as possible and so go for an early induction date. In France they are okay with leaving it a bit longer, but I think they can get away with that because everything is very strictly medicalised here, and there's no real option to deviate from how things are done (which is very french).

Got my first maternity clothes through today!! . I also rather bizarrely got a free baby bottle included, which I'm not sure what I'm going to do with for the next 5 and a half months!

It's so weird how it is different! I think US has a different number of weeks as term as well. A baby bottle is an odd present gouda, but free. I like free!

I watched a programme about that jelly, she cut it up and added it to smoothies for a while. You can turn it into tablets too! Don't fancy it?

That's an excellent example of why I am not keen on induction indigo, your friend only needed one more day! If I can prevent it and not risk the health then I will. Obviously if it starts to endanger the baby I will do what I have to.

Tip for you newly pregnant people - don't tell people your due date! Just give a rough idea of when, or give them the latest date. I just want to be left alone now and everyone is texting under the guise of 'seeing how I am' but that's be what they mean! They mean 'what's going on with your fanny?'!

dulcet that just reminds me of the JS'g greeting cards! :)

Haha. Yes, there's an extension to the range for sure!

Me too dulcet. It's not like induction doesn't carry its own risks. More likely to want an epidural, then higher chance of instrumental delivery etc. I'm going to go with daily monitoring if I need it but like you, would be induced if there were a medical need. Fingers crossed NONE of us need to make those decisions anyway!

Agreed dulcet I am already receiving those texts and I have 11 days to go until my due date!!!

gouda the placental breakdown and other serious health risks don't seem to be serious enough that there is any clear and overwhelming evidence to support them! I would really love to find something, maybe I'm crap at looking! Maybe I'm a man?!

fleur and dulcet just text back and say you had the baby weeks ago and didn't they know?

I've booked in for a sweep next wed - I take it you're talking about chemical induction? Coz I thought sweep is more just encouraging the hormones for labour. I don't want induction bit sweep is fine as far as I know?

Just been for lunch with my friend in the sun, it's beautiful today! Bleeding happened again and it's definitely sex-injury rather than baby!! Oops.

It does make me laugh when folk text asking if I've had baby yet. Yes - yes actually I had him a week ago and just didn't think it was a big deal so didn't tell anyone

My mate just asked me if I'm going to put on Facebook that I'm in labour - wtf!? Do people do that??? Not a chance! I do remember a guy I know posting how many centimetres dilated his wife was - I would have killed him if he was my dh!

We tried that with MIL yesterday indigo. Answered the phone and said 'we had a baby!' but she didn't believe us.

Yeah, we are talking about medical induction la. Sweep is a bit different but I am thinking of declining mine tomorrow (if she offers) to avoid going in over the weekend as heard the stories about stuffing levels. Not sure that's the same at the BC though.

If you're getting hassled now, imagine what it will be like on your due date fleur!

Stuffing levels???

I remember reading that the risks of placental failure increase significantly after 42 weeks. And although each country does things differently, none of them encourage you to go significantly past that, and if you do to have regular monitoring. Each of us has to do what we feel comfortable with though.
Fwiw i was induced at ten days over with dd, and it was fine, i copied with just hypnobirthing techniques, paracetamol, and a little gas. And it was quick! So induction isnt always the end of the world!

Haha. Yes la, the number of doctors available to stuff your insides back in!

I know it can be absolutely fine totally, just about giving my body the time to do what it needs to without an arbitrary number that seems to differ across countries. I would want to be monitored though for sure! If it happens, it happens.

Sound promising la - shagging deffo started things off for me, when I went in with leaky waters I got swabbed and the mw said 'well this looks like show'. It wasn't. It was jizz. Mr tee was pissing himself.