Due May 2007 - Thread for w/c 13 November

[peacemakerukuk]

Morning all, Am very surprised I'm the first around this morning. Re. krispy kreme doughnuts, the 3 Tesco's nearest us have been selling them for quite a few months now. I don't see the attraction in them myself - thank goodness, I have enough extra weight as it it

Amazing how personal the pain relief thing is. I tried gas and air and almost threw up and then felt spaced out for the whole time. There's a lot I can't remember about the birth. It just didn't suit me. Have to speak to the midwife yet, but am hoping to hire a pool for my house. Otherwise I'll just use the bath until it's time to get out.

DH is a lot shorter than EXP so maybe this baby will be smaller than DD, who was 8lb 5. She was pretty long too and I'm only a short arse. Midwives told me she was a very big baby for someone my size. Bless my 16 year old muscles and perineum for getting her out without tearing!

Yay juicylucy weve been worried little hens here! So glad you are ok, and so pleased you got great results and lots of piccies.

Poor you TYG at 16, did you have a good family to support you, it must have been so tough. A pool sounds like a brill idea, ive always thought about it but just thought i will have a bath instead, Dont think there will be time to run a pool this time!

Thank God for that JL, we were getting quite concerned. Can't believe you could do that tous. So so pleased to hear heverything is well.

Mum was a tyrant at first. Told me she'd always told me I wasn't bringing any kids into the house and stuck to that right up until about 3 mths after DD was born. When I'd already found a flat and everything, she then relented (prob becuase she was in love with her granddaughter) and said "I could stay if I wanted." Wasn't a kind enough sentiment for me to want to stay so I went anyway. She was good after I moved out. Carried on bringing me to school every day (flippin miles away) via childminder. Helped with babysitting. She found it hard to let go of me though and was very judgemental of my lifestyle. She's just that kind of person. My dad lived in UK from when I was 7 so wasn't really involved. Exp parent's were lovely. Annoyed at first, but then his mum started buying me little things to put away for the baby so I knew she'd relaxed about it. Some time later she started taking DD a couple of days a week and always stepped in when minder was sick. She was great. Still is. Exp's parents came to my wedding a couple of years ago and gave me such an amazing wedding gift, so I guess that shows how well we get on.

I had a pool at home and it was great. DS floated out on one push. It is really nice to have the water right up around you and be able to shift position. I'd really like to have one this time around but I'm not sure we'll have time to fill it either. Our poor old boiler only just about coped last time and we had to connect the hoses up the the electric shower at one point

at showers connected to birthing pool. I imagine they do take a bit of filling!

We had a student midwife manning the kettle too...

I guess if you have an electric immersion heater, rather than instant gas boiler, then they're just not suitable. Not unless you stick the immersion element straight in the pool!

In my house I grew up in, you'd need to decide about 3 hours beforehand that you wanted a bath.

Hi all!

Sorry about the brief post earlier, haven't had a chance to get on here and chat to you all properly for a couple of days. Luckily El Boss is off in a meeting about Wiki (eh?) or network capabilities or some such inane technological drivel.

Firstly and most importantly tomatoes? Eugh! And in a sandwich, that's just unnecessary. They are the one thing I couldn't eat if you paid me. I'd rather eat a raw tarantula.

Secondly, JuicyL, you are very naughty to leave us all in suspense. Consider yourself told off young lady. But congratulations, very pleased for you!

LG&T being a first timer, I don't have a lot of advice. But your very lovely sounding (and beautifully named) little girl is only six and sounds very mature and bright in many respects. My 6yr old goddaughter can do all sorts of amazing things (memorise a whole Britney Spears dance and song after one viewing and reprogramme the bloomin Sky box etc) but will she sit and apply herself at school? No chance. Maybe the ed. psych. can be a positive thing and find a way to move forward without considering drastic options like different schools.

Your DH sounds very romantic, but I disagree about honeymoon periods. My DH leaves lots of lovely notes, cooks, buys flowers etc and we've been together 8yrs. And imho taking out the bins can be as romantic as hearts and flowers, as long as they show they care!

Anyway, must rush. Happy weekend (have a big box of chocs at home and am planning a night in front of the TV watching slushy films!). Roll on 5pm...

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JL feels hands well and truely slapped.

I promise to do better. x

Oh, JL glad you feel slapped. Look at it positivly though. We all care.

JL

It's good to see your back.

SOH-- Don't knock tomatoes. They are healthy and delicious.

LOL at JL teeling off from SOH!! True though JL at least it shows we care

MKG i expected a much stronger defence of your tomatoes passion...especially when compared to eating a raw tarantula (largeg&t shudders at the thought and fights the urge to run screaming from the room) I mean someone insulting a KK like that, wow, you would have to stand by......

Also chuckling at the pool being filled by the shower bensonblue, at least it wasnt you doing it, were you wallowing in the pool in manor of very happy (small) hippo?

What pool did you use and how long did it take to fill. I may consider it, just one thing i havnt tried yet on the birth checklist! Although cos Hugs came in 40 mins im not sure i will make it, still no guarantee it will be so fast this time. Cant believe i have to do it again, i must be nuts

I'm not terribly offended LG&T. I konw a lot of people that don't like tomatoes. I crave it in all forms though. I'm sure SOH eat Ketchup or pasta sauce, maybe she doesn't like them raw form. My sister's like that.

I would pay money to see her eat a tarantula though.

JL glad all is ok, we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief now, strange how we worry about people we've never met (but its nice too)

I was like you TYG in that im a short arse and ds1 was 8lb 5oz and long (hes still big for his age now). I'd bought him a lovely outfit prior to his birth but he only got to wear it twice before outgrowing it. His dad was over 6ft and quite muscular (he looked like a young elvis too,yum) so maybe that didnt help. Ds2 was tiny in comparison (I remember his whole bum fitting in the palm of my hand!) but then again dh is only 5ft 8in (ish) and was only 4lb when born. I dont mind if this one is a bit bigger than ds2 was as long as it is still in the region of 7lb 5lb.

SOH my dh doesnt even put the bins out let alone but me flowers (unless he has a guilty conscience). His mum even buys my flowers/cards for valentines otherwise i wouldnt get any. I know he loves me its just he isnt sure of all this romantic stuff. Even his proper marriage proposal was lame, we were stood in my hall and he said 'lets go buy a ring'. He had proposed before that (on our first date) and it was a bit better but that didnt count as he was pissed

Thanks MKG, Largeginandtonic, Aprilmeadow, Frenchsmallfry, Skytvaddict, Pebblemum, Scootermum, Jellybeans, Bensonbluebird, Lisa, Creena and Twelveyeargap for all your good wishes. Sorry if I missed anyone off.

Yes I am still in shock and am going to crack on with the potty training asap, also think will have to wean DD1 off the breast. I had thought I might tandem feed but think that will be right out the window now, I'm sure I can not grow another breast by May
Glad you had a good birthday Jess.
LG&T I do hold you personally responsible for my predcament you know willing someone to have twins when there was only me and a couple of others left (when I am not panicking I actually think it is wonderful so thank you). LOL at you driving with everything on on the way to work Scootermum. Jellybeans and LG&T I will be coming to you for advice as I do not know any twins so will be looking out for any help I can get.
Glad the scan was okay Gingerbear.
I used a TENS machine with DD and thought it was brilliant, it really helped me, not sure of it stopped the pain or the distraction of pressing the booster button just gave me something to think about. I actually forgot about the gas and air until about half an hour before she was born and when I asked the midwife she said by the time she got it setup (I was at home) DD would already be here. Might get to try it this time though.
Largeginandtonic hope everything is okay with Phin re school it doesn't sounds like lack of intelligence to me and September next year is ages away, she has plenty of time to catch up.
I don't get a free nuchal scan and have been advised by my MW not to have the blood tests done as they can throw up od results as it is twins, now got to decide whether to bother with private nuchal scan. I don't think I will bother but then change my mind half an hour later.
I had heard they tend to get bigger as you have more but that labour and birth gets easier, lets hope so (re length of time anyway), I think these will probably be smaller than DD1 as she was 7lb15oz just because there are two of them. I am hoping they will be a healthy weight though.
I don't think it is 6 weeks full pay, at least I know I will not get that. If I am returning to work I will get 4 weeks' full pay (inc SMP) + 2 weeks? at 90% of full pay (inc SMP) + 12 weeks' half pay and SMP* + 8 weeks? SMP. This will change to 4 weeks full pay (including SMP) +2 weeks 90% full pay+ 12 weeks half pay and SMP (or 90% of full pay which ever is the lower amount) +21 weeks SMP (or 90% of full pay which ever is the lower amount) from April 2007. And you get the option of not returning to work unitl 52 weeks if you can afford a few months with no pay. Not sure about this yet as quite how childcare for 3 will work out I daren't think. If it goes through which I think it has. It really depends on where you work as I know what I get is actually better than the legal requirements.
Well done MKG on Ds walking. PMM or what?
Juicylucythe2nd glad evrything is all okay.
I am so disappointed I won't get my second home birth, I really felt it was a positive experience but will go with what is recommended by MW this time as twins is a whole new proposition.
I love tomatoes and would not eat a tarantula unless paid a huge amount of money, I hate tomato soup though.

charleymouse--
What's PMM mean?

I wonder if the twins are identical or fraternal? Could they tell in the scan, maybe they'll be able to tell later. I would love to have identical twins. But you'll have to get different color bracelets or something to be able to tell them apart.

lol pebblemum at your romantic dh. Mine is not romantic in the romance sense, won't buy me flowers cause they die and are a waste of money (his words not mine) I love getting flowers!! He finds showing feelings and emotions in a serious nature really tough. If he can say I love you pulling a stupid face or with a silly accent he is more than happy. Not sure if thats good or bad. However he is Mr helpful on all fronts and will do everything for me or the kids if asked.

I wanted a water birth with ds, no chance I was in Labour boxing day so short staffed hospital and no midwife available.
Didn't even contemplate it with dd, it's 20 years behind in France, on bed attatched to every monitor going, drip, Dr present and legs in stirrops. Thats how you give birth in France and you can not change it.

MKG, I know where you are coming from with the lack of defence on the tomatoes (said in an american accent ) I have loads of friends and some family that will eat them mashed in things like bolognaise and pizza etc...... but will not touch them as a fruit on their own. I like you like them alot. Got to have lots of salt on them for me so I try not to eat to many. My ds LOVES them, eats them straight out of the fridge like an apple!! Often wants a tomato sandwich too so I can see where you are coming from. Keep eating them.

Sorry MKG it is Proud Mummy Moment.

They couldn't tell at the scan as it could be one placenta with 2 sacs or it could be 2 placentas fused together. They sort of look like to blobs of oil floating next to each other iyswim. I was told if I had gone for an earlier scan they might have been able to tell. I just went when I was told but there is no history of twins on either side so was not expecting this news at all.

FSF can you just stop at home as long as possible so you don't have to have all that intervention or at least not for too long? Am I getting confused or did you say in a previous post that you have a pool, if so you could always hop in that for an hour or so.

Hoorah for the weekend.

Hi All
OMG I cant beieve how much u lot can chat in a day, where do u get the time!!

LG&T Just wanted to say that inho i think kids go to school wayyyyy to early, in europe they dont start till 7, I am holding my dd back from srating when they should as I think there is too much pressure and standardising in the ed system, they all learn at differsnt speeds and have differant interests, could it be that she is just not interested, or that they havent channelled her abilities, the fact that she can memorise songs means she isnt silly, sorry this is sensitive subject with me, I get alot of grief off of friends when I talk about keeping dd out of school, especially now they now there will be another one at home to cope with, Rant over, hope you get the right support and arent bullied to much by the system

What a pooey day weather wise, got soaked twice, grrr and now dog stinks of wet dog yukkkk, I am fancying Jacket Potatoes tonght with philadelphia mmmmmmm

Tommorow is they had my little Morgan was born asleep, went to the cemetary early this week, is hard as my bro is 2 graves down from him, I am going to get myself some retail therapy and lunch with a girlfriend (one who was with me at the birth) and then off to see Colin Fry (medium) Show, bit of coincidence about the date, then staying out alllllll nite at another girlfriends house, hopefully I will keep my chin up, better get myself a big box of chocolates

I sent my mum a copy of my nuchal scan pic, she said omg how many weeks are you look you can see everything, she was quite shocked at how the little ones look at this stage

JL Glad everything is ok

Charley has the news started sinking in

Have a good weekend all, probably wont be about much, tc all, Lisa xx

FSF go look at some of the websites that feature an obstetrician called Michel Odent, he is fab if not a tad extreme. He is french and has alot of views on childbirth, pretty radical though! I m guessing if you went to see you midwife/doc and said you would like to follow his teachings thay would quake in their french boots...maybe you should start with that!

Gald you are getting used to the idea Charleymouse....mine are identical but they couldnt tell until they were born as their placenta looked like it had fused to make one but it was actually only one.

Lupins hope you have a good weekend i cant imagine how tough it is for you. Retail therapy and a show sounds like anexcellent idea to take your mind of things. Lots of (((((hugs))))) from me

Hope your weekend goes OK, Lupins. Will be thinking about you tommorow.

Although they don't start the national curiculaum in France til 6, they are in school (proper school, the same one that they stay at till they are 11) all day from 2 if you want. Obviously alot is learnt around play but the things ds has done already is amazing. He loves it and that is what is important to me. I have no problem with late or home schooling though, if you can do it for your child it's great.

i set out with the idea that i would try to say a little something to all of you. as you can see, that didn't happen. hello to you all!
lg&t, home schooling might be just the thing phin needs. this might just be a phase she is going through. i remember a girl in my first grade class who was always dreaming away in her own land. the last i heard about her was that she now lives in ny and is an artist and quite successful. we all have our own way of navigating through life. good luck. lovely message from dh, by the way.
pebblemum, in the us we are offered narcotics, epidural and that's about it. if you search for other options you can get them, but for the most part you are just given the option of all or no pain, as mkg said.
well done little mkg! my little munch is thirteen and a half months old now and not walking yet. i don't mind at all. much easier for me!
charley, i still can't believe one of us is having twins! have you started getting used to the idea yet?
lupins, enjoy your friends this weekend. we will be thinking of you. xoxo
what are jacket potatoes?