With our swamp fanjos and supermarket jobbies it's all going on in our knickers. It's a wonder our men agree to deliver the prostaglandin injections but then we are the 24th Just Shagging Grads!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 24th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is herein its 41st outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread in postnatal clubs herefor once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

The stats sheet is here

So, roll call below please, viroids!

Richard the whatever he was (third maybe?). Remember a while ago they found his body buried in a carpark? Well now they have put it in a coffin and had it on display in Leicester before they bury it or whatever they're doing with it. And 5000 people turned up to watch the procession and to file past the coffin. 5000. I could think of better ways to spend my day.

That's the same as the NHS antenatal classes purple. They just won't even talk about anything out of the ordinary, like sections, inductions, instrumentals, prem births etc. It was all just "oh don't worry, you won't need to know about that" ....

My daisy teacher was really good and went through the different options, saying we needed to know what they all were so we could make our own minds up and be in control of our own delivery. I didn't know anything about much of it before and feel much more prepared now! She also explained what to expect when birthing the placenta which no one had mentioned before

That's depressing Popz because I'll be having a section or an induction
Looks like I will need to push for info

Or pay for it

Oooooooohhhhhh that wil! Yeah, I've semi-followed it. Wouldn't be my choice of how to spend a day off for sure.

NCT will be really individual I think purple, sounds like SIL was unfortunate. Does she keep in contact with any of them? My friends all rave about it but more because of the connections. Shame no one talks about other options, better to be prepared! I'd imagine if you know you have to have one of the other options then you will be given the info.

But scared to ask la but what do we need to expect? More improbably, did you have something sweet??

Nothing horrible don't worry! Just that after birth we might get injection to bring on placenta birth, at which point there's a window of time for it to come, after which it's considered retained. If natural it comes out just with normal contraction, not as intense as the birth. Not painful as such and most women are either out of it or so in love with baby that they hardly notice. But that many women aren't told about placenta birth so don't realise they still have to do it after birth.

They talked to us about cutting the cord and delayed cord cutting to allow the blood to go back into baby from placenta.

Dh made me a chocolate pot

Yay, massive congrats pis! Sounds like you did an awesome labour and birth! Saw the pic on fb and she is completely adorable

Oh my god. Can't believe I am now next on the list. Scared doesn't even cover it! How did time pass so quickly?!

I did hypnobirthing classes and I found them really helpful. They went into loads more detail than the nhs antenatal classes, and the midwife gave us a balanced view of all options. The breathing and relaxation techniques she taught us can be used for any type of delivery, whether it's a water birth, instrumental, cesarean...whatever happens on the day. Though I can imagine the classes are not everyone's cup of tea.

OMG a chocolate pot. I'd kill for one.

When are you due Mini? too lazy to check the list

I bloody felt the placenta delivery.

Getting up to raid fridge for some choc milk has overexcited tiny tee somewhat, he's going totally berserk.....

I used a lot of the techniques from the natal hypnotherapy CD's even though I didn't have a chance to use the CD's themselves during labour, and it was only during transition that I got panicked and out of control, this labour was so so so much better than my last for going in calm and relaxed.

My friend who had a baby a few weeks ago did hypnobirthing and she was so convinced it would all be fine and she would manage a natural birth with no pain relief. But she ended up begging for an epidural and then having an emergency c section a few hours later and it was really sad because she felt she'd had this horrible experience and let herself down - I am sure I may change my mind as things get closer and I look into the options but at the moment I feel like I'll just go with it and whatever happens happens - if I need drugs I'll take them, if I end up having an emergency c section then so be it, I don't want to put pressure on myself by saying that I've got to have things a certain way or I've failed. Hypnobirthing does sound useful though for calming and trusting your body so I wouldn't rule that out. I'm very lucky that I've never really been ill (other than thyroid) so haven't had much experience with pain so have no idea if I have a high pain threshold or not, I'm probably about to find out the hard way!

Bat i agree, i want to be able to go with whatever is needed at the time. And I hope to deliver on the MLU at my local big hospital so that I know all the medical intervention is literally on the next floor should it be needed, hopefully that will reassure me (the other MLU is about 20 mins or so away from the main hospital). I would like to give birth as naturally and drug-free as possible but I am worried I'll panic if I feel out of control- but I feel like the whole thing will be out if my control so I want to find a way around that. I like the idea of breathing techniques that I can be in charge of though. Maybe the only thing I can have control over?
Can someone explain what transition is?

I was always open to having to do whatever was needed, especially because of the diabetes and preeclampsia! But I liked the daisy breathing, more as a calming/something to concentrate on for labour pains. But I def didn't beat myself up when the induction stopped progressing and I had to have emcs, I just wanted baby to be ok, didn't care how she came out as long as she was ok!

Congratulations Boo and Pis! Lovely news :)

I never thought I'd buy into all that 'listen to your body, you'll know what to do' malarkey, but that's exactly what happened last time, so this time I'm going in with that mentality. Hopefully it'll serve me well.

Purple our NCT classes went through every imaginable birth scenario! It helped that one of the ladies had a threatened preterm labour in between the first two classes...and another was having a planned section for twins who just didn't know what 'head down' meant . NHS classes I can't comment on as they didn't run through the school holidays, and so I skipped them as no-one would have been due around the same time as me.

DD has been up and singing since 5:45. I know this isn't unusual for 3yos, but she didn't go to bed until 9, and I'm tired and ratty and she just won't entertain herself. I expect either my evenings to be crapped all over or an early start. Both is just rude

Crosspost - Toast transition is when you start getting to the business end of labour (approaching fully dilated). I remember it well, I was in the car and nearly pulled the handbrake on

Oh dear chat! Will she go back to sleep? Chatty minichat!

I think it's important to keep an open mind that things quite likely won't go to any sort of plan. I'm trying to learn as much as I can about the process (despite knowing about birth for 34 years I've realised I knew fuck all about what happens!) and then I can be prepared, but I'm ruling nothing out. So if on the day I need an elcs I'll have one, if I feel I can't cope without epidural I'll have one. I like learning how to work with my body but my baby's safety is priority so I'll never refuse intervention if it's needed. Daisy teacher was actually very good at going through that and the other ladies shared their experiences. I'd expected them to be all 'anything except natural birth is wrong' but they were not like that. They all seemed to have had the injection to bring on placenta too, rather than it going naturally. I think I'll be past caring by then!

I spoke to midwife yesterday about my hips and my referral letter is on way for Physio. She suggested pelvic girdle pain/SPD (is that what you've got tee?) but having looked it up I don't agree and symptoms are the same as I've always had with my hip dysplasia. Physio will be able to tell me though I'm sure. I read there's still good chance of natural birth and they recommend water birth to take pressure off the hips, so I'm pleased with that.

Rubbish day at work yesterday - some twat at an organisation who doesn't like us has posted up my maternity cover job on his site and is taking piss out of it, wanting folk to go for it so someone other than 'a moron' can make a difference. Fucking troll. I was just chatting to him on Friday and he was nice as pie, I can't stand two faced c*s. It really upset me.

Chocolate pot was cocoa powder, butter, sugar, milk and vanilla essence with little flour stirred in in a tea cup, microwaved. Effectively chocolate cake mixture/hot chocolate type thing! Mmm it was lovely. Hit the spot

Wil The ladies in my class said the placenta birthing wasn't very nice too, whole thing freaks me out a bit

Think I probably just wasn't expecting it La. A natural birth shocked me a bit as was so different to induction. Alas I'm not eating dairy at the moment so can't have a chocolate pot.

My lower back and hips are killing me. Between that and MicroWil I've been up since half three. I'm a bit like you La (although obviously not for the same reason) in that if I do enough exercise I don't get back pain. But bfing and carrying a baby around all the time is really starting to hurt. Must find some time to do some you tube yoga.

You could have it with cocoa, sugar and hot water? Yum yum

Ok I'm sold on hypnobirthing

I still want an ELCS though rather than induction

I've got my first antenatal consultant appointment on 31st so hopefully I'll find out more about the plan for me then.

Glad to hear NCT is not all bad but I'm not sure I'm convinced enough to use them

We've got Daisy classes near us, should I do that and hypnobirthing or do they both cover the same things?

I want to know the same thing purple, I really want to do daisy classes but there are none within 3 hours of me! There are hypnobirthing classes run by a few different folk though. Should I sign up for hypnobirthing instead, are it and daisy really similar?

I feel I'm pretty clued up on the whole birth thing. I have foals each year and we also have a farm where we keep cows which have calves every year so you get quite up and personal with it all. I'm used to birthing them, various dystocias and how to correct them, occasional caesareans, checking placentas to make sure they are whole etc. Although none of this is to do with humans whatsoever!! But on a basic level it's the same. I hope it's given me a pretty laid back attitude to birth though. And feeding.

pis, congratulations!

Jeez Indigo, you're a bit useful. Must be a messy job!