Due March 2007 - No. 3

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Ahem - allow me....

I think if you are over 35 they offer you an amnio.
I was told by stupid GP that I must have one - so told her no way. if soemthing had shown up on a scan or something maybe I would but otherwise no.
If you're younger and healthy and scans have all been ok, then ignore it

Fatfox - what a crock. I know how you feel from an emotional point of view , but really stand up for yourself. I frankly have'nt felt so furious in such a long time when I took on my GP and did find the strength somewhere between the sniffles....
You are a strong lady, you will be fine, and its ok to feel worried.... you just need to get the right advice from these halfwits. I am sitting here absolutely about this !! What a crock of shite we are served up.

Kiwi - the same goes for you with regards to the complete incompetent lack of care and support you have been given. This is really winding me up now.

Now for the soapbox...I could forgive the odd f**k up, but really our threads are peppered with a startling lack of support, care, competence and basic professionalism. If any of us did our jobs like this we would be fired. I am incensed !!!

Whew.....I will calm down now.

Leo - glad it went well, I am following your messages on this as I will probably end up opting for amnio when my screening results get back.... and am mixed up a bit on it too.

Really interesting to see how you guys are all juggling your lives around your kiddos. I will put my proposal for a three day week forward to the powers that be and see how I get on......

As a poll, those folks working - how long are you taking for maternity leave - the full 12 months ?

Good luck today Fatfox.

Onily _ I was ranting at the school gates this morning about the state of the NHS. One Mum said, well meaningly - "why don't you just pay for a private scan if you can afford it?". I was trying to explain to her that I have already paid - I pay 40% tax and 9% NI each month - why should I have to pay all over again for a private scan???? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Sorry everyone else

Piffle, your hair sounds absoluetely gorgeous? Have you any Jewish blood in you? Lots of my Jewish friends have the most gorgeous ringlets which I'm really jealous of. Anyone remember that woman in Eastenders with the ringlets about 2 years ago? Now THAT's the hair I want
LOL a the vision of your with your gorgeous hair and womanly bump, and some anorexic blond beside you with flat tummy

Aime - celebrate the fact that your MS has gone!! have you started to get really hungry yet? When is your scan? Mine is on 20 Oct. Will you ask the gender?

Leo - thanks for bumping my thread When do you get your amnio results back? I hope you're resting up today and tomorrow.

Kity - if I feel weak at the GP's I'll think of your advice Our GP is quite nice actually - its the hospitals where the care seems to fall down.

No Jewish in me at all
I'm Irish by heritage though
Must be the Celt curls coming in!

ooh geez, dont get me going Fatfox, DH and I tax and NI combined could feed a small country, would love to know where all the money goes. Our schools, hospitals and housing options are in desperate need of funding - where the money matters most - and here we are bombing the hell out Iraq - have you SEEN the military budget! Oops... realise on dodgy ground so will scoot off it fast.
Promised myself I would wind my neck in on this but clearly have'nt.
I dont know - I just expect better for us all.

No dispute that some of the folks in these institutions are working their socks off and are dedicated etc, but the rot has set in, and it needs help fast.

I will now shut up.

Good luck again, hope it goes ok today. Please let us know.

Afternoon all.

Just had another bacon and egg sarnie. . Not a good habit to fall into.

Shanks: you don't have to have any tests if you don't want to. Amnios are often suggested if you have an increased risk at your Nuchal Scan, but they carry roughly a 1% chance of miscarriage. (It depends who's doing them though, so if you do decide to have one it's a good idea to find out who will be doing it and what their personal record is). It depends how you feel about the possibility of having a Downs baby: if you feel you could cope or not (not that there's any way of knowing that in advance). Suggest you talk to your GP about the pros and cons. HTH

Fatfox: good luck this afternoon. Maybe you could write down exactly what you want so you can keep it straight when you get there. I don't know about you, but I keep getting fuzzy headed at the moment, especially when I'm upset. Hope they're sympathetic, but if not, give 'em hell!

Think I've been pretty lucky with my care so far. It's shared care, so I see the GP as much as the midwife, and I love my GP. She's got 2 sons, and is very sympathetic, unpatronizing and practical.

Hope you're all enjoying your glow/bump/new-found-food-appreciation today. (And your ringlets Piffle, you lucky thing).

hello ladies.
fatfox-it maybe an idea to write down exactly what u want to say to the gp and take it in with u,ive done this afew times after leaving gp appointments feeling fobbed off and wishing id stood my ground more.or take a print out of kitty's advice
i hope everything goes ok for you and u get a proper scan etc.

booboo,do u think supernanny is good?

im getting paranoid again cos ive not felt the baby move for 2 days,i was starting to get a bump,at least i thought i was but now im thinking it was just water retention cos it seems to have gone.i want to fast forward 10 weeks,i hate this 'am i still pregnant?' bit!

ds1 has an appointment with the child psychologist this afternoon,as part of an assessment to see if he has some form of asd.i am getting very nervous as im sure my sub-standard parenting techniques are going to be put under scrutiny and i will be made to feel like crap.

hope everyone else is ok.

17 weeks

oops x posts.

piffle,my sister has ringlet type hair,she got it from my dad who was irish.i just have frizz.

onilly,i agree with u about the bombs etc.my local maternity ward was threatened with closure last year,which would have meant an 80 mile round trip to the next nearest hospital.luckily,enough people protested and the closure didnt go ahead.but it makes me mad how much the government spend on unecessary things.

Diva - Hope this afternoon goes well. I too am going through the am I still pregnant phase, but am feeling cramping ATM, Maybe ligaments? I dunno!

One of my uni friends is Jewish and has gorgeous hair! jealous

I am off to London to meet up with my uni mates this weekend, will be good to see them all and have them all together when DH and I break the news, one of them knows already but the others... don't have a clue!

I am wanting to eat all the time, but when I start eating it I get full sooooo quickly.

Swallowed my pride last night while in tesco and invested in some Tena Lady... already prooved their worth this morning during a sneezing fit!

Boo - just PMSL at the lentil weaving earth mama comment yesterday... cheers - that was a hoot. I have a horrible sense this is desperately what DH wants !

LOVE SuperNanny.

Diva - now you have got me onto something else - of course you CONTINUE to worry your ass off for the rest of your life with these kiddo's... great...
Sure it will all go ok. My mum was hauled in for my truant behaviour. Turns out I was just bored shitless at school....

Thanks I will jot some stuff down first, from Kitty's tips and my "what I want out of this" bit - good idea. I always do that in job inerviews, jot down the main points of each question, so don't lose my thread.

Diva, they're assessing your LO not you - don't worry about what they think of you - use it as an opportunity to discuss anything you may be worried about re. his behaviour etc.

Onilly - I think its the whole NHS culture that's the problem, - when staff start saying "its not our policy to..." it shows how disempowered they are. You and I should get very drunk together one night - one night when we're not either PG or breastfeeding!!

Fatfox, you are on - a bucket of wine is deffo on the cards - can you imagine how we would put the world to rights ! I majored in occupational psychology, so erm... is a bit of a passion of mine and so happen to agree with you 100% on your view of the NHS culture. However, some funding would also be nice.

By the way you are going to have to trust DH, and stock up on veggie crisps

Piffle - am also having hair cut today - the stuff is sprouting like crazy..... at your hairs....

Onilly - Actualy I'm planning to question the children each night: Did Daddy give you crisps today????

Hopefully, they'll be so scared they won't accept crisps

Either that, or they'll learn to lie to mummy!

I've been so lucky with my experience of nhs. I wonder is it a bit better here in N.I. It could be so good. I hate the way we spend so much money on war. I can't understand why in this day and age we still have to resort to war...that we can't learn from history...

Diva hopefully you will find this afternoon helpful. My sis has been there with her dd2 who was age 10 at the time- its a broad spectrum. Having the diagnosis has been so helpful in understanding her behaviour now. She is doing brilliantly.

Good luck this afternoon diva. I teach a few kids who have been diagnosed with asd, and their Mums are all great. Do you think he's likely to have it? You're the one who knows him best, after all.

fatfox and onilly: I get a different take on the whole NHS thing, as my BF is a Doctor. She seems to mainly have a beef with the administrative staff (and sometimes the nurses). I do get pissed off with the service sometimes (especially A&E), but on the other hand I couldn't imagine living in a country where you need a certain level of insurance to get a certain operation. That seems barbaric to me.

I went to see the midwife today for bloods etc, fortunately she's really nice. I told her I didn't believe I was pregnant at all. She had a listen in and at first we couldn't hear anything so I thought " see I'm not really preg at all" then I heard the heart beat and was SO relieved.

Diva-I can totally relate to how you're feeling . I wish db would wriggle around a bit more.
Got my new ergo baby carrier in the post today. I have carriers that I thought I was happy with , but thought I would waste money and buy another one. It seems pretty comfy actually and really takes dd3's weight.

Amie- keep doing those squeezes I try to remember, but after doing about three I forget 'cos they are so so boring.

Got to get of this comp[uter and do some work.

Kitty - so you really are pregnant are you??
Your MW sounds lovely.

Fatfox- apparantly I am, though a part of me still reckons it's bit od a scam!!
Denial, denial.
How are you doing, ready for the off? I'll be thinking of you, you'll be fine, remember, just say what you expect the outcome to be!!

Kittywits, even if you told us you were'nt preggers we would insist you stay on to give us the diamond advice and counselling we all need !

Lucky you I want a lovely MW !

Did anyone see that sketch with french and saunders I think it was. When the pregnancy disappeared after a huge fart

go get 'em this afternoon fatfox!

my scan is on the 27th of October... we're not planning to find out the sex.

Lots of cramping this afternoon!

Kitty when I remember I squeeze! usually when on Loo to try and keep myself occupied on my numerous trips to the toilet!

hi everyone

fatfox... you'll be at your appointment. I hope that you are feeling much better about things and know what is going on. Fingers and toes crossed for u luv!!

maternity leave is 12 months?!?! At some point I need to pull my head out of the sand . I thought it was six. My boss and I have discussed taking maternity leave but we haven't arranged when or for how long

Kitty... which ergo carrier did you get?? Has anyone started looking at buggies or any of you experienced lot have any recommendations? Mine needs to be London friendly .

Interesting comments about the heritage of ringlets. Yours sound lush Piffle!! My dd had the tightest ringlets when she was little - up until about 6 or 7. My nana also had curls as a child so we presumed it was a throwback. She is from a Jewish family but there is also Irish on my fathers side so who knows where it they are from .

I got the preliminary results from the amnio today (at last!) and the baby doesn't have Downs It takes 3 weeks for the "full" results apparently but the hospital said there are rarely any surprises once they come through.

I'm not as relieved as I expected though, which is odd. Probably because I'm still worrying about miscarrying. Went to MW this afternoon before they'd phoned with the results and she couldn't find the heartbeat for ages. I could see MW was starting to panic, which doesn't make you feel any better, but once she finally found it it sounded the same as last time.

ah, Onilly that's a nice and kind thing to say

kiwi, I got a new generation Ergo. it seems pretty good, I'm jsu getting used to it. Dd3 is a heavy lumo and all my other slings which suited me just fine with the others just aren't comfortable with her. With this ergo it does seem to make her less weighty.
It's madness though, on ebay as they seem to be selling second hand the same price as new pretty much !
Buggy wise I've always used a single maclaren I think they are just fab, so light, easy to steer abd compact and eay to fold. I've never had a problem with any of mine.

Rosy, I remember a preg sketch with the young ones. Viv was 'pregnant' and got bigger and bigger until he did a ginormous fart and it all went away. oh, how I laughed.

leo, glad all went well, keep resting for the next few days.

Evenhope that's great news about your results. Did you find out the sex? I can't wait to find out. I really admire those of you who can hold on. I would do me in.

Piffle, your hair sounds lovely. I don't know if mine has started to become thick a it is only just stopping falling out in handfulls from the last preg !!

Fatfox, let us know how you got on.

Sorry if I've forgotton anyone, have to dash and feed the monkeys.

thats graet evenhope.im sure ur worry will get less with every day that passes

nhs..im sure they were alot better before they had all these people in suits wandering around going on about policy and protocol.i remember the 'ward manager' (no medical training whatsoever) coming into the room when dd2 was having problems and they were trying to ventilate her etc,and holding up a card to show the doctors 'policy of dealing with critically ill children' or something(the doctors were arguing at the time)(they just ignored her and carried on) i wasnt aware dd2 was 'critical' at that time and it sent me into hysterics.

the appt with the psychologist was awful.ds1 was in there on his own for 45mins,then he went in the waiting room while the bloke(who was at least 70) asked me about 'background' ie,my past relationships and current relationship etc.i was just waiting for him to say'well,its not suprising ur son has problems'.i nkow they have to know a bit of background but i thought it was an assessment to see if he has asd.i have to go back on my own in about 6 weeks.