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November 2014 - thread 7

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amy83firsttimer · 14/07/2014 12:04

Jump aboard ladies.

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Strawberryfield12 · 03/08/2014 22:24

With regards the big sister presents, just came across this one:

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amylou85 · 04/08/2014 12:16

I was going to get the vaccine but now I've read your experiences with them Strawberry I'm a little scared! Like Alita says tho with it being November I would like her to be safe.

In terms of hypnobirthing, the only courses I could find were around the £200 mark. I wasn't interested at first but I think just having a few pain coping skills can only be a good thing! I can't afford the courses but may buy a book and CD and see if I can train myself a little! Anyone here found courses for cheaper?

Also terrified to hear of your friend's loss Amy. Makes me not want to order anything as I couldn't bare to send it back. Does she know what caused it or have any problems prior? This little one seems strong as an ox and is constantly reminding me she's there with her jabs. She especially won't let me sit forward at all, I get a right whopper from her!!

Some gorgeous names from everyone, we're still struggling altho somehow DP's family have clung on to 'Amelia' which was one of our strong options and are now just calling her that when they refer to her! I like it so wouldn't mind but DP doesn't like them to assume and is the type of person that would now veto it just to prove the point that it's not their decision!!

PosyFossilsShoes · 04/08/2014 12:18

I'm going to talk to my midwife about it. I'd prefer not to. Whooping cough isn't common round here as far as I know and they get their own vaccine quite early on I think. This one seems to be 'belt and braces' to cover them from birth to 2 months when they get their own.

I don't know what I'll decide.

There's an NHS page here: www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/Pages/Whooping-cough-vaccination-pregnant.aspx

Annarose2014 · 04/08/2014 14:30

Honestly, any vaccinations I'm offered, I'm taking. End of story.

Oklahoma · 04/08/2014 15:25

I had the whooping cough jab and it hurts less than having bloods taken and takes about 2 seconds. I had a little bit of pins and needles for an hour or so and nothing else. Other people I know in RL have had the same experience so don't not get it because you're worried about the pain.

PosyFossilsShoes · 04/08/2014 15:39

I'm not worried about injections, I was on the contraceptive jab for 10 years (for menorrhagia) - and I think being weeks off giving birth and worrying about the pain of a jab possibly constitutes being in denial, lol!

Alita7 · 04/08/2014 16:50

I'm worried about the pain, and I give injections to others so they don't faze me. But while I understand and agree with the science and I know it will protect against the illness, dp particularly (and it's rubbed off on me alot) worries about conspiracies and I think it's true that vaccines would be the first line of choice for eugenics or mind control drugs of some kind. I know that sounds terribly paranoid but you never know these days!

Alita7 · 04/08/2014 16:51

*I'm not worried about pain

Petal26 · 04/08/2014 17:00

Have just had an extra appointment with the midwife, not seen her for 10 weeks but still wasn't due one for another 2 weeks. Rang for advice this morning and she told me to come in.
I have been have bouts of blurred vision in my left eye, flashing and blurry, like something was in my eye, a bit scary. Headaches as well so thought i'd better get checked out. Low blood pressure so she has taken my 28 week bloods two weeks early and will ring with results on Weds.
Baby's all ok, listened to him and measured, first time in a while :-)
Booked appointment at opticians to see if it's something else. I have a condition that affects my sight when I'm tired but never had any blurriness like this before so will see.

MrsDowneyJunior · 04/08/2014 20:07

I'm not doing any vaccines and I doubt I'll give her the Vit k jab either.

I think I found something this weekend DD was excited over - the Christening/naming ceremony. DD is going to be godmother/guardian and I've dressed it up as HER big day where SHE'S star of the show with the main role as the godmother/guardian and she needs a beautiful dress and to help me decide colours and outfits and cake and readings etc and she got really excited. She also got silly happy when she felt kicks for the first time this weekend so she is excited with it, she has just become very stifled and controlled the majority of the time since him and his "colder than the climate she comes from" witch whore came on to the scene. An experience day sounds fab but will have to think about what I can do, with a baby, in Winter etc... shall get my thinking cap on!

weeonion · 04/08/2014 20:10

evening all!!

Back home from hols and loved catching up.

Amy - my thoughts are with you and your pal. such sad news. x

I nearly wasnt allowed on my flight home today. Jet2 let me fly out to Spain no bother. I had checked with my insurance who had no problem with me flying whilst pregnant without a medical cert up to 32 weeks. At checkin today - they asked for my medical cert / doctors letter which i didnt have. They said it was company policy and all pg women over 22 weeks need a letter to fly. Dp was great dealing with it but in the end it took some of my tears for them to reluctantly let me on the flight!

FTMK · 04/08/2014 20:31

Glad you had a good holiday wee onion. Seems Jet2 are a bit inconsistent - says you can travel without up to and incl 27 weeks - not 22 - can't remember how far along you are. I've been checking as we're flying to Northern Ireland at the end of the month and needed to know what their policy was.

Petal, I've been having the flashing eyes but think it's low BP not high - I've checked. I also seem to have set off my lower back again with lots of clearing out this weekend - we have been having a blitz so we can make progress towards the nursery. I see the midwife on Wednesday so I'm going to ask her to chase up the physio referral as I haven't heard anything - could do with having it while I'm off on school hols.

I will be having the whooping cough jab. Each to their own but I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

Names wise, some first name ideas for a girl but not really anything for a boy. It's so tricky as a teacher.

November 2014 - thread 7
utopian99 · 04/08/2014 23:04

Hmm - good heads up on the fit to fly, weeoinion will sort tomorrow!

Had whooping cough jab last time and vit k. An pro jabs in general but also I had the mmr when I was little and yet managed to contract mumps as a twenty something as our hive immunity as a nation is now so damaged by the number of people who didn't vaccinate that it can affect those who did.

StripeyFox · 05/08/2014 03:39

Hi everyone,
I'm flying with Easyjet at 29 weeks, their website says you don't need a letter from midwife/doctor but I'm now wondering if I should get one to avoid any potential problems such as weeonions! I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.

I'm going to get the whooping cough vaccine, given that a real risk is posed to babies from it. I haven't heard that conspiracy theory re eugenics before!

I'm on night shift just now and really struggling. I'm counting down my shifts until I finish up and seem to de finding each one more difficult than the one before. My baby's movements keep cheering me up though whenever I feel them!

Strawberryfield12 · 05/08/2014 07:54

Had 24 week MW appointment yesterday and to be honest it made the cough jab thing almost irrelevant. My usual MW was on hols and was substituted by someone nuts. She did all the checkups and measurements and all was spot on. Then she got the doppler out to listen the baby. As she was moving a lot she could not catch HB for some time, finally managed for some 10 seconds and announced it was irregular and would send me to hospital for further checks. On she went to phone them, hospital asked if the growth &movements were ok. And then told that it was normal at this stage. So MW kicked off that she wanted to check it out as it sounded VERY erratic, irregular, with missing HBs. They finally gave an appointment next week.
After the call I asked her what exactly was going on as before she told me it was regular thing and should not worry. She went on again that I shouldn't worry, that if hospital would have thought it was serious they would have given appointment the same day etc.
Left the MW well shaken.... Called my sister who is GP abroad, told everything and she said that the MW sounded strange and she wasn't surprised hospital tried to tell her off.
On the night we with DH got the Doppler out and recorded HB for 2mins and sen it to her to listen. She didn't see any probs, in two places the record was bit dubious, could be when she moved around, but sister couldn't make full judgement as she wasn't listening herself. So all in all I had a good night sleep tonight.

Also asked her about jab and told about my worries and asked if I could somewhere check antibodies of whooping cough, with nhs or privately. She could not tell me and looked at me as if I am a lunatic. The bi...tch told me that she understood my position, but in my notes wrote that I was reluctant to the jab although I told her I wanted to get antibodies checked to make a better decision, which n my eyes is not reluctance but cautiousness. Arg!!!

blamber · 05/08/2014 09:18

Strawberry, you can only give your baby immunity from whooping cough by getting the vaccine. Having had it in the past and having antibodies yourself does nothing for the baby. That's why they vaccinate pregnant women.

I'll be getting the vaccine. Looking at research done I see no risks to the baby. Based on that I don't want to put my baby's health at risk. It's shocking that we have to worry again about illnesses that would have probably been eradicated if everyone got vaccinated.

Also why risk your baby's health because of made up stories? Alita don't let your dh talk you into not protecting your baby. Consider the facts and make your own decision. Your baby may catch whooping cough. It'll be November and there will be other kids around him, so it's all too easy to catch something.

moggle · 05/08/2014 10:03

Yes alita- it's fine to make your own decision on the jab if the numbers don't convince you- but don't let imagined risks from conspiracy theories outweigh the real and calculated (though small) risk of your baby catching whooping cough before it can be vaccinated itself. I think I will be getting it. No history of funny responses to jabs myself or any family on either side so I am not worried at all. I want to be able to show baby off to all our friends and their snotty toddlers without worrying too much about them passing something serious on.

Just been for 25 week appointment, they are with the GP here, which I was a bit dubious about but he was great :-) took him a while to find the heartbeat due to my anterior placenta and baby flipping about like a seal, he kept saying "don't be worried if I can't find it, she keeps kicking me so she's obviously very feisty... Kids today, no respect for authority, tut tut..." Haha! But we did hear it in the end so that was nice - first time I've heard it.

Annarose2014 · 05/08/2014 10:37

MrsDJ are you not going to give her the MMR? No vaccinations ever?

MrsDowneyJunior · 05/08/2014 11:06

The risks are about the same as being killed by being hit by lightening. This "epidemic" the press has been screaming about and getting everyone fired into a frenzy for is the same usual normal wax and wane pattern whooping cough has always had every 4/5 years, and the normal expected big surge was 2 years ago, halved last year as expected and has massively dropped again this year now we're back in the wane, and that the people who are getting it now seem to be the ones who have been vaccinated and they think the vaccine is no longer working and they're switching to a different brand to try that one out. I don't want me or my baby to be an experiment to see if the new vaccine is better. The babies get their own vaccines at 2 months so it's only to cover to then and the chances of coming into contact with it, catching it and then dying from it are about the same as being killed by lightening. Looking at the research, 3 babies last year died from whooping cough, out of the 10% of the 1000 cases, or reported cases, which affected babies. 5 were stillborn within 2 weeks of the vaccine and that rate remained consistent to the end of the pg. They never did any trials on pg women before vaccinating them initially, as usual, they used a "do it anyway and we'll see in a couple of years what happened" approach and now they are starting to see links between problems with the now toddlers of the vaccinated mothers. I had whooping cough a few years ago and it is horrible, really really nasty and I wouldn't wish that on a baby at all, it's dreadful, and I am aware this will be a winter baby and more susceptible to the winter bugs going round, but I do not trust this culture of vaccinating for every single thing all the time, especially giving 5 vaccines in one to a 2 month old, and 7 in one at 13 months, that cannot possibly ever be a good thing, and I think logic dictates that we are setting ourselves up for a really big, nasty fall. I had every jab going and still caught every bug, what was the point?? I delayed DDs vaccines as I just did not feel it right to overload her tiny, new, still developing system with that much crap at such a young age, and she came into close contact with everything, and didn't catch a thing. The vitamin k jab is given to every baby born, that's 800,000 odd babies a year. A Vit K deficiency only affects 2-10 babies in 10,000, that's 0.02-0.1% of the population so why push for every single one to get the jab??? It makes no sense! You would not give any other medical procedure to 100% of the population to catch 0.02-0.1% especially when it's not contagious? Then they say you can have the oral drops instead of the injection but then looking at the rates of success with the drops (which I gave DD) they actually do pretty much sod all to protect a baby with a deficiency from having problems with a late onset problem so why is it an option? It's a synthetic vitamin which medics are always telling us are useless wastes of money and don't work, so why in this case is it OK? Like they say you can't take vitamin A in pregnancy as it causes birth defects, but it doesn't. SYNTHETIC Vit A does, but natural Vit A like Iden mangoes is fine, it's the fake chemical version which causes problems which is only logical that chemicals would really! I just don't think it makes sense and makes me question why they do it. DD had her first MMR at 2.5 instead of 13 months, and before and after having it she was exposed to measles and mumps and didn't catch anything. The second MMR only exists to catch the 10% of children who the first jab didn't take with, so again they vaccinate the whole country to catch 10%? And if they babies have had mumps or measles or whatever, they STILL give the all in one vaccine even though they already have a far stronger, better natural immunity? I just don't get that logic. My ex gave DD the 2nd MMR even though it was obvious she was already immune from the first one, plus a load of other pointless boosters she had already had, 7 inoculations in one go, against my wishes when she was 6 and I still want to run him over and reverse back over him again for that one, I'll never forgive him for that and I did notice a decline in her after that. The whites of her eyes went yellow, a very clear indication that her liver was struggling to process all the toxins in her and she just seemed to lose her sparkle. Her skin just didn't look as clear and glowing and healthy, her colour wasn't the same, her sparkly demeanor was just a little duller... of course it could have been down to his general care of her and poor diet and lifestyle and interaction with her, but it was immediately and the jabs and has never really improved. I do believe in vaccination where there is a real need, I don't believe in overloading tiny little developing systems without a genuine risk to their lives and wellbeing, I don't believe in giving jabs with as many or more risks than the actual bug, or as part of an experiment to see what the effect will be in a few years time, and I don't believe in vaccinating 100% for 0.02-0.1%. I don't believe in our programme. And I don't buy that untested things are ok in pregnancy, that's what they said about thalidomide. And smoking. And alcohol. I will vaccinate this one on a delayed programme and not for every single thing, but I really don't trust the propaganda and the way they expect us to be a blind herd of sheeple just accepting everything they say and never questioning anything. I'm not a lemming and deserve real truth and facts and to make my own informed decisions given all the information, not their contrived booklets which give no numbers or risks or facts at all and are all written with this patronising "just do what we say, there's a good girl" attitude. That Instantly makes me suspicious. If it was all good they'd be running to tell me that and show off what masters of the universe they are. Hmm

weeonion · 05/08/2014 11:10

Each to their own n' all that but I have my whooping cough booked in. Yep, its for me and what I think is best for myself and my baby but also to protect other babies too and the wider community.

I have some pals who went down route of no jabs at all for their kids. Thats their decision and I wouldn't criticize them for it but when they declined to use nit lotion (so as not to use chemicals / lotions on kids but also not to harm a living creature) I did have to withdraw meetings / play dates. Their poor kids had nits constantly, their peers at nursery/ school all caught nits from them and it became a bit of an issue. I think there are boundaries when personal choices impact on others.

MrsDowneyJunior · 05/08/2014 11:23

I refused to use nit lotion on DD till she was about 6. Till then she never caught them even though she was around them a lit, I used tea tree shampoo, rosemary conditioner and a nit comb when washing and she never had anything. Only when I switched to a different shampoo & conditioner did she catch it at 6 and I did use the proper solution then, but I could have killed exDH's idiot aunt for having her riddled daughter at our for a play day when DD was about 18 months with thick long curls then as she was leaving after 3 or 4 hours said "Oh by the way she'll probably have nits now, my DD is riddled, so you'll have to treat all of you" as if it was no biggie, it's fine, just chuck a bottle of pesticide on your 1 year old's head, what's the problem?? Could have killed her! Angry It may be no problem to her but who the hell is she to dictate it's not a problem to me and possibly pass it to a 1 year old with no warning or anything, not to mention me & exDH. When DD did eventually get it at 6 I would never have taken her to see a 1 year old without warning and asking the mother, or anyone we were visiting, just as I'd warn about anything contagious. That's just manners.

Alita7 · 05/08/2014 11:25

Still don't know what I'm going to do... and I do think if they ever decide to use vaccines for eugenics they it won't be the whooping cough jab :p but I must say I don't like the idea of it not being a well tested vaccine. I'll have to do some proper research!

With mmr I think the second jab is necessary - I had the first one but mum refused the second (and they keep trying to get me to have it being a nurse but I keep forgetting) and I don't have rubella immunity anymore.

Greenstone · 05/08/2014 11:43

Speaking of jabs...I have been thinking about the jab you get for the managed 3rd stage of labour (i.e., to manage the expulsion of the placenta rather than wait for it to come out on its own). Last time my birth preferences were mostly of the 'natural' variety but I hadn't really looked into this part of things and when the time came was totally happy to get the jab for the placenta. I probably will again. I barely noticed it coming out because I was so wrapped up in the brand new baby! Is there a reason why a natural 3rd stage is meant to be 'better', does anyone know?

Annarose2014 · 05/08/2014 11:47

Each to their own, but there is no way on earth I'm going to willingly expose my child to any potentially fatal illness. Measles kill.

And even in non-fatal cases - my aunt was left blind as a child from measles. It blighted her life. This was in the 1940's when this was a complication doctors were sadly resigned to in the population, deafness and blindness from measles - I thank God for vaccinations.

As a nurse I have also had to be vaccinated against Hepatitis B. Trust me, given the patients I mix with, I was very eager to get it.

MrsDowneyJunior · 05/08/2014 12:02

A cold is potentially fatal, a tooth absess, sitting in a car, everything is potentially fatal. For me it's the chances of actually catching the disease, which doesn't worry me as I'd rather than than the jab, but then the chances, after catching it, of being left with lifelong issues like deafness or blindness, and then the chances of dying. Everyone in my school was jabbed, back in the 70s, and we all still caught everything, we used to have measles parties whenever someone caught it to try and spread it so we'd all catch it on purpose to get the lifelong immunity, and we all caught it despite being vaccinated, and non of us died or ended up blind or deaf. The only thing I didn't get, or if I did no one ever realised, was rubella, and I've never had any boosters since childhood, but was immune with DD when pg 9 years ago and am still now. The vaccines don't cover for that long, and like I said I never had it, as far as anyone knows. I had chicken pox, mumps (twice), measles, god knows what else, but not rubella. That's confused me.