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November 2014 - thread 7

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amy83firsttimer · 14/07/2014 12:04

Jump aboard ladies.

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Miskate · 24/07/2014 11:16

My husband wont even be in the room when OBEM is on!! Luckily I'm having him and my sister as birth partners, and my sister is a paediatric nurse. She can be the voice of reason and he can just rub my back :)

CraziesTogether · 24/07/2014 12:56

Lol @ fellow toast, cereal and ice lolly consumers!

We have been 4 weeks now with no kitchen and my diet is pretty much the above!

moggle · 24/07/2014 14:39

DH watches OBEM with me but admits he isn't a big fan of the more gory bits and doesn't like when they show the baby's head hanging out all squished and purple, just before the final push. He says 'I'll happily watch OUR baby coming out of YOUR fanny but don't need to watch it three times every Wednesday in glorious HD' :-) fair point well made! He finds all the rest interesting though. I think we probably will stop watching it soon though as we get closer...
I've bought the Maggie Howell natal hypnotherapy CDs off eBay, managed to miss the OBEM hypnobirthing one so will have to go search 4OD for that one.

TwigletFiend · 24/07/2014 14:41

Oh my God. Oh my God oh my God OH MY GOD.

I just typed an email to my boss to check if our communications were working. But instead of writing ‘The test’ I have managed to write ‘The twat’.

I JUST SENT MY BOSS AN EMAIL THAT SAYS ‘ TO THE TWAT’ IN THE SUBJECT LINE.

Oh my God. Kill me now.

utopian99 · 24/07/2014 14:49

ellie I wouldn't worry - I refused probably to dh's relief to watch any birth programmes prior to ds as I figured that we've been doing this for millenia, along with all the other animals, and once the hormones kick in it'll all work automatically. Which is of course exactly what happened. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the programme as entertainment, but you can't do 'homework' for birth. Just work out roughly what you hope might happen and then go with it.
Also, the non-labouring partner (I assume for female couples as well) will hate seeing their loved partner in distress and dwelling over the prospect can't be fun, when there's so little you can do about it.

I'm sure I'm utterly alone on mn in saying this but I firmly believe dh had a more traumatic time during the labour part of ds' birth than I did, and yet he was so good at being calming at the time.

utopian99 · 24/07/2014 14:50

Awesome twiglet! (I hope your boss has a sense of humour though.. Can you explain? ?)

weeonion · 24/07/2014 15:36

Hi folks!

Twiglet - we did find bf hard, v hard at start. Not to put you off at all but I wasn't prepared for it to be tough - just thought its natural so should come naturally. We couldn't get our latch right which led to lots of pain and problems, tears and despondency. I wasn't prepared for the emotional impact and what it meant to me - I had been very much of the "will try it, if it doesn't work, no other". Not how I felt at time.
I was lucky to have fantastic support, bf counselors, mumsnet and drop in groups. I wish I had of lined all that up before DD was born and done my local research to know what was out there.
Its not to put you off. Some mums and babies have a grand, easy start. Others not so and amongst women I know - alot had some kind of problem- big or small. shameless plug here - but check,out bump to breastfeeding DVD. ;-)

Have to say - at end,of it all - it is one thing I am proud of and so so glad we managed to bf in the end but everyone has to fo what is right for them, their baby and their own family.

ladydolly · 24/07/2014 15:38

oh twiglet!!! Hilarious (for us at least!) You have to style it out now, stupid spellchecker!!
I once emailed a client offering them 'a large disco cunt' instead of a large discount. We both never mentioned the typo but I do love retelling the story.

We have some friends (no kids, 5 bedroom house) who we're due to catch up with, instructed DP to arrange when we can go and see them and apparently they're insisting they come to us (pregnant, 2 bedroom flat). They won't even get as far as cereal or toast, there's no way I'm having any guests now. I actually think it's really selfish of them to insist...

re the hypnobirthing episode, I didn't think they spent much time on it actually, it didn't give me any insight really... that probably doesn't help, I'd be like you, if I want to see that one it has to be THAT EXACT ONE!!

Alita7 · 24/07/2014 15:46

Oh dear Twiglet I'm laughing very hard!

It occurred to me recently that unless I die, I actually HAVE to either push him out or have a dreaded caesarean (which I have an irrational fear of and no matter how many people tell me how fine they are I will still be terrified). There is no escaping this fate even if the worst was to happen, I still have to do this! This is a somewhat overwhelming thought!

weeonion · 24/07/2014 15:50

Utopian - my dp didnt have a traumatic time at all - he was just awed and wowed ny it all and I guess he and I were v lucky that I had such an easy labour / birth in the scheme of things. He was waiting for OBEM type goings-on and so didn't realize we were in full blown labour until dd's head was actually out!

I dont think we can do homework as such but I do think we can be prepared and "train" ourselves a bit - around breathing / relaxation etc. OBEM is entertainment and edited so much that of course it only provides a snapshot of some people's experiences. I think things like Positive birth blogs are a nicer way to see and hear from other women...

weeonion · 24/07/2014 16:30

Oh twiglet - love that typo!! How did she / he react??

FTMK · 24/07/2014 16:43

Oops Twiglet. Has he replied yet? I have finally bought something. Yes, at 23 weeks I thought I'd better get started. I was brave! Drum roll please....

I ordered, a pack of Muslins. (Got to watch the iPad autocorrect there - I nearly said I'd ordered a pack of religious followers!)

pinkgirlythoughts · 24/07/2014 17:17

Hahaha Twiglet, that's hilarious!

As far as the breastfeeding, I actually think all the literature you're given before birth is misleadingly positive- and I'm quite vocal about it in real life! All the 'it may be a bit sore for a few days, but that will soon pass' and 'if it hurts, you're not doing it right' nonsense, must make so many women give up much more quickly than they would really have liked to, because in reality, the first few days are a bit more than 'sore,' it can be bloody painful! It took me weeks to stop being in pain when I fed DS, and from talking to others at baby groups, and my mum/MIL/aunties, my experience wasn't that unusual. But it's so worth persevering with, as it does get better in the end- I fed him for 14 months, and I'm intending to feed this one too, so it can't have been too bad Grin. I think if you're prepared for a tough few weeks to start with, then you're much better equipped mentally to deal with it and push through it (if you want to!)

utopian99 · 24/07/2014 17:17

Good point weeoinion, nothing's a rule for everyone I know. I just do think it's hard for some partners not feeling able to do more themselves, I think I'd rather be the one giving birth than feeling that no matter what, I can't fully aid the one doing it by sharing the effort. That being said, I generally beat myself up about things like that, dh was as helpful as he could be in my opinion, in terms of being an advocate, keeping me calm and watered etc. Sounds like you had a lovely birth though, As Of Course we All Will... Smile

also I suppose on the subject of no one rule for everyone, I read all the stuff saying bf is hard, and thankfully in our case it wasn't, so don't worry unless it happens twiglet , but like weeoinion says there are loads of really good supports out there in case you do have a tricky time.

Elliekins · 24/07/2014 17:22

Sorry Twiglet and LadyDolly but that has made me laugh so so hard, I've just sprayed tea all over my phone.
Ladydolly, that's one hell of a mental image!

BrandSnob · 24/07/2014 18:17

LMAO Twiglet. That really has brightened my day as it's been a bit if a roller coaster.

Started off really happy as I'm 24 weeks today! Then went slightly downhill as I decided to check my weight after reading comment on here about expected weight gain. Using a calculator I'm 2lbs under what I should be, much to my surprise as I thought I was big! I told DH who moaned as he doesn't think I'm eating enough.

Had a quick meeting with HR to discuss my Maternity leave as I've now got my Mat B1 form. Only for my for HR and my manager to mention that 'it's been commented on' that my maternity dresses are too shorts which I was too stunned to say anything in response. I can't help it I'm nothing but bump with a pretty decent sized ass think an S from the side. They tried to butter me up by saying I'm in good shape etc etc; but following on from the weight gain, I was already worrying I was outgrowing the stuff I bought at 16 weeks. Just not what a pregnant woman needs to hear! Angry

Cue hormonal weepy session in the toilets about how big and bloated I feel. I called hubby after work who made me laugh by saying I look better than the people in my office who aren't pregnant. He said it was probably a woman that said it as they're 'well jel'

ToniWol · 24/07/2014 18:41

Oh dear Twiglet. Hope your boss has a good sense of humour.

Brand - hope you're feeling more positive now. Luckily our HR dept is relatively casual about these things and doesn't do meetings - so I've had my letter confirming my entitlements today.

Also had some good news that my cousin (who lives down the street) is expecting in February. Obviously something in the water at the moment.

CarmineRose1978 · 24/07/2014 18:50

BrandSnob, my new boss told me my tops were too tight/low about a month ago. She said she knew my body was going through some changes but I needed to look more professional, so could I please check the dress code. I did check the dress code, could find nothing in there that I was contravening, went to HR in tears and they said I looked perfectly professional to them. Some people are insensitive dicks.

TwigletFiend · 24/07/2014 18:59

Thanks ladies, it's good to hear it first hand as I don't know anyone other than my mother who has successfully breastfed! I hadn't thought about checking out local support groups before Bean arrives, definitely a top tip there!

On another (hideous) note, no reply from my boss. At all. His sense of humour is a bit priggish, so not sure he's going to see the funny side Confused On the plus side, I luckily didn't offer him a disco cunt, which would have been considerably more awkward Grin Thanks lady, that made me feel a bit better!

Glad my misfortune could brighten your day, Brand. It's got to be good for something! I wouldn't worry about the moaning from work - chances are someone had a bad day and you were unlucky enough to catch the resulting spite. Just imagine how envious that person must be on their shrivelled little raisin of a heart to feel the need to be so petty.

BrandSnob · 24/07/2014 19:44

Can't believe your manager said that Carmine.

Maybe I should start slumming it in harem pants and loose tops so I'll be covered up lol.

The dress code does specify knee length, but at 5'4" anything below my knee swamps me or makes me look a frump. I'm not client facing, so I don't know what the big deal is. I would have thought my massive jugs would have been more of an issue as they are getting difficult to cover up.

I really can't believe how upset I got. Part of it was anger and the rest must be my silly insecuritiesAngry

BrandSnob · 24/07/2014 19:56

Haha LadyDolly at Large Disco Cunt. I just had a vision of a baby coming out of a vagina trimmed with flashing rainbow lights, with Diana Ross blaring in the background Grin

Alita7 · 24/07/2014 20:25

Oh brand snob I think it's horrible when they comment on clothes like that assuming you're not going in dressed in trackies....

It's so hard to have enough smart work friendly outfits that aren't too hot in this weather! Especially as we're rapidly expanding and that top that was fine when you wore it last week may well now be too short a week and a half on...

Greenstone · 24/07/2014 21:22

Christ, it sounds like there are plenty of managers out there who have a problem with pregnant women's bodies. Unbelievable and I'm actually really angry for you both.

Re. breastfeeding. Twiglet I found it hard too. It was important to me personally to do it, because my mother fed me til 14 months and for whatever reason I have enjoyed outstanding good health all my life. That doesn't happen to everyone but because I've so rarely been sick in my life, I felt that it would be a bit selfish of me to not at least try to do the same for my baby, if that makes sense. However, I was seriously not relishing the prospects and probably didn't look into it enough while I was pregnant - too focused on labour, which I think is understandable and common with your first.

What went well:

It started off really well with DD crawling up and helping herself to my boob several minutes after birth. Once on the postnatal ward, a midwife showed me how to feed lying down on my side which was such a good thing to happen after 48 hours of being awake. For the few hours I was in hospital I was pretty shameless about ringing the bell and asking for help every time I needed to latch the baby on. I'd recommend that. Also, on the vanity front, breastfeeding zapped my uterus back in within what felt like a few days.

What didn't go so well:

  • Nobody really told me how often breastfed babies need to be fed. The midwife said every 3/4 hours, which is a big joke to be honest (although I'm sure some breastfed babies can last that long - mine certainly couldn't). In those first few days, I'm not sure that I fed DD often enough, she was sleepy, I was exhausted, and sometimes I copped out by not waking her for feeds.
  • She lost quite a bit of weight. My milk didn't come in until day 5 and that was scary.
  • It was sore. Very very sore for the first 2 weeks, then sore for 2 weeks after that - starting to get less sore by 6 weeks.

-She had a tongue tie which went undiagnosed and was only cut at 14 weeks. Her latch looked perfect, but my nipples were very sore.

-She fed all the time and I found being the only source of food pretty hard to adjust to and a big responsibility. She was a poor sleeper too (unless in bed with me) and I blamed breastfeeding. My peers' babies who were formula fed slept for much much longer periods in their own cots, and could, apparently, self-settle. This was unheard of in our house for a long time and I got a bit bitter about it and wondered why I bothered breastfeeding at all - seemed like a total mug's game!

But gradually it became really easy. By 3 months it was totally easy and I was beginning to see how handy it was. I could go for coffee and cake with friends and if she started whimpering could just stick her on the boob and she'd usually feed and fall asleep, meaning I could take as long as I wanted. By 6 months it was actually enjoyable. Many people stop at 6 months and I considered it, but I'm so glad that I didn't because from about 7-14 months, when I did stop, it was just a really great, nice, parenting tool, and the pressure was off on me once solid food came into the picture. And she started sleeping a bit better too.

So, all in all, I'm very glad I did it, and I'd like to do it again for the same length of time with DC2, though I feel it will be harder when there's a toddler to look after too, so I'm not going to be too hard on myself. If it's important to you to do it, do try to read up a bit about what's normal in the first weeks so that it's not such a shock to the system. It really can feel like you're taking up a new, very hard and very physical, sport. And if it doesn't work out, well, really, this is western Europe and the baby will be absolutely dandy on formula :)

BrandSnob · 24/07/2014 21:23

I've pretty much got 5 skater style dresses on rotation as I refuse to spend silly money on clothes which I'm only going to wear for the next 3-4 money. Admittedly they have got shorter as the bump has expended, but not to mini skirt levels. Over bump trousers are too hot and under bump ones fall down as I have no hips to hold them up. It would be a perfect world If I could wear leggings to work everyday. Just had a look on New Look and Asos and nearly everything seems to be empire line and above or skimming the knee so I can't win.

amylou85 · 24/07/2014 21:23

Hahahaha Twiglet and Ladydolly you've given me a good giggle!!

I am scared about breastfeeing, especially after watching the most recent '9 months later' which follows 'she's having a baby' and the woman went all hot, sweaty and dizzy and said she got an overwhelming anger when she was breastfeeding her baby, it didn't look pleasant! I'm funny about my nipples anyway so this is gunna be interesting!!