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September 2014 - we're over half way there!

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HippyJess · 29/04/2014 01:11

Shiny noo thread with only 4 full months to go! Where did the time go?? Grin

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2014 08:27

xxmissbrightsidexx Tue 27-May-14 23:11:39
Is it going to be cold in September do you think ladies?

waves hand over crystal ball

My completely non scientific forecasting service says its going to be a WARM summer that stretches well into September.

I suspect this winter will be colder than last but not as wet. Pretty non-descript otherwise.

I was right about this last winter being ridiculously wet and mild...

...but don't shoot me if I'm wrong.

covers up crystal ball

At this stage, unfortunately, my ravings about the weather are probably as accurate as you are likely to get I'm afraid!

ilovemonstersInc · 28/05/2014 12:05

Missb it looka really thick for September if its a big size (3-6+) then I would go for it for winter but for not especially for September. I would get a nice cardi and nice blanket or something x hth x

ds is under assessment for autism and they think hes high functioning autism and adhd. Plus a baby on the way. Bloody hell.

whiteblossom · 28/05/2014 12:26

missb well I don't need a crystal ball to say that September is usually bright and mild. My birthday is aug 30 and its always lovely and continues to be mild for a good few weeks after that. Of course this could be the freak year but given that we are meant to be having a very hot summer...

I was planning on getting a snow suit for oct onwards for long dog walks. It all depends on babys size and all sizing in shops vary so I wonder if its a bit hit and miss but does it really matter if it a little on the big size?

I had mw apt this morning and its left me feeling a bit down. I had a different mw again who was filling in and she really didn't give a shit.

mw agreed that I have PGP but wont refer me because there is a 6 week waiting list and she can only see so many patients...but if it gets any worse to contact my mw.....er I just fucking told my mw!!!

Im also measuring big 28cm at 25+4...she couldn't have cared less, shrugged it off so now Im worried what that could mean, GD or big baby arrghhh or just one of those things? no idea. I have an apt in three weeks so I guess Ill just have to wait it out (though I am at hospital next week for GTT so might ask to be measured?)

CoolCat2014 · 28/05/2014 13:22

Whiteblossom - sympathise on the MW front. The ones I've seen just don't seem to be that bothered. I'm feeling exhausted and faint and lethargic and heart booming in my head, been getting worse for last couple of weeks, but so bad last couple of days can't stop crying and struggling at work big time. MW said oh well we will do bloods in 3 weeks time to see if you're anaemic. Talk to us again if you feel worse - phoned today and same advice :( think I'm going to go see a GP tomorrow. Can't function so exhausted and it's affecting my work!

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2014 14:32

MW told me at last appointment that I needed to have my 28 week appointment at my hospital and they do bloods then as she can't do it, because I'm out of area and they need the results in the right Trust. Instead I apparently skip 28 week appointment with her as its pointless as they will just do the same things anyway.

Been to hospital today for GTT and asked about booking in for 28 week appointment with their booking in at reception. They hadn't got a clue what I was talking about. Apparently they don't know anything about doing 28 week appointments. (BTW I strictly just force fed lucozade and was human pin cushioned - wasn't even a midwife - so no measuring etc was an option for me)

Joy. Have another appointment at the hospital for something else in just under a month. I guess we will be asking again then, in the hope that someone a little more senior (and that I actually trust) knows their arse from their elbow and what should be happening.

I'm sure it'll get sorted, and I'm not overly worried at this stage as nothing has cropped up yet and I feel relatively ok atm, but its ridiculous that something so seemingly routine is unfathomable due to different Trusts basically not being coordinated on any level whatsoever.

TBH I'm more pissed off that every time I see anyone other than the consultant midwife that they keep bleating on about plans for labour, ways to relieve pain and other equally inappropriate stuff etc etc, when it says on my notes that I am booked in for an ELCS. I have had a date and since 16 weeks (which is on my notes under a big important note from the consultant midwife) so its not exactly unconfirmed.

I don't want to get into the difficult conversation of correcting them every time (besides when we've done this so far, 30 seconds later they appear to have forgotten what was just said and start going on about natural birth again) and but I guess further down the line I'm not going to have any choice and its going to have to be more forcefully stated. I don't want a natural birth, and this is precisely why I am going to a hospital which isn't local as the thought of it distresses me and them not absorbing this, which is undermining my trust in them.

And breathe

Otherwise they have been great so far...

...just seems that the general rule is, anything out of normal day in day out routine seems to be a struggle to understand / unimportant / fine to wilfully ignore.

sigh

ilovemonstersInc · 28/05/2014 14:33

Can I ask whats pgp?
Blossom its really shit to hear they've been awful with you. I think they should measure you in a few weeks and if still big you should be sent for growth scan? I always measure big in previous pregnancy. They said 9lber and he was 8lb13 or 15 or something lol. Ive not been measured once this time yet and im 27weeks this week!
spd is really hurting now :(

bugoven · 28/05/2014 15:08

white my midwife said they only measure bump from 28 weeks and I have a printed growth chart that doesn't start until 28 weeks either. Hopefully that means your measurement doesn't matter at the moment but still you mw sounds hopeless.

cool I have had similar symptoms, spoke to my midwife and she recommended I see a gp. Blood was tested straight away and I was given an ECG also. Didn't hear from doc so assumed all was ok. I then was very breathless Thursday and advised to go to A & E. They confirmed low iron levels, ECG all fine but have been given blood thinning injections to do at home and have a lung scan tomorrow to check for blood clot, again just in case. I was taken very seriously and their investigations are very thorough despite all health professionals and me saying "may be nothing to worry about just due to changes during pregnancy". I think you need to push for better care. Hope you start feeling better soon or at least getting listened to.

polkadotdelight · 28/05/2014 15:16

cool make an appointment to see your GP. I also was (am!) exhausted, breathless and have palpitations. I rang the surgery to request a blood test rather than waiting another 3 weeks to see the midwife and the GP rang me back to say he wanted to examine me. He fitted me in the same day after work as he wanted to be sure I hadnt developed a heart murmur or clot. All fine on that front but Ive been started on iron/ferritin for low blood levels.

Don't put up with it, please ring your GP.

whiteblossom · 28/05/2014 15:18

"just seems that the general rule is, anything out of normal day in day out routine seems to be a struggle to understand / unimportant / fine to wilfully ignore. "

YES THIS^^^^^

PGP is pelvic girdle pain, I feel like I have been kneed and the bones at the front of my pelvis are very sore/burning. When I get out of bed Im walking like john wayne (only for all the wrong reasons Wink

I was only measured as student mw just assumed it was to be done which is how I know, she kindly offered to re-measure but mw jumped in to say no. The main mw just waved it off and said she didn't normally bother until 26 weeks (im 25+4!) but as there is not a 26 week apt she waits until 28 weeks...I knew the measurement was big and asked about it and again she just said it could be babys position- but I know he was low down on his side- you could actually see his position! yet yesterday he was really high up...Im now worrying about the GTT results, and I cant.stop.eating.

My dh has turned into a feeder, always buying me chocolate or icecream. and YES I do have to eat it Grin

Im feeling fed up and tired today boooo Sad

whiteblossom · 28/05/2014 15:23

cool totally agree with bug & Polka best to push for a blood test.

ilovemonstersInc · 28/05/2014 16:36

Thank you blossom. For me its my arse. Its just1 side anf its not 'flesh' as such so not like a bruise. Just feels horrible like ite going to break!

whiteblossom · 28/05/2014 18:39

Ive just promised myself that once school hols are over I WILL be attending aquanatal classes. Ive just been soo busy. Im also booking in pilates.

My mum has just told me that the nursery I have spent 2/3 days painting needs re-doing arrgghhhhh BUT she has offered to come over tomorrow and do it herself. I never ever ever want to paint anything ever again. ever.

lilone1234 · 28/05/2014 19:33

It's awful that the care you receive during pregnancy (or at anytime really) is so hit and miss. It makes such a difference.

So, a friend at work told me that her cousin had a baby at the weekend. She was told she was having a boy - but she had a girl! I mentioned it to the midwife and she was just like "Oh yes, that happens sometimes." Shock

Of course, the most important thing is that the baby is healthy whether it's a boy or a girl but the reason lots of people want to find out is to be prepared both with material things, and mentally so I really think they should try and be sure!

Teabiscuits · 28/05/2014 19:51

Wow this just seems to be the day for hopeless health services.

I had some abdominal pain this morning, as well as lower back pain and just generally felt a bit off so thought it would be wise to drop a urine sample in the doctors as I have had previous kidney problems in pregnancy.

So I pee into the little pot, and it was a very dodgy rusty brown colour even though I had been drinking just as much as usual, so I decided to just get an appointment. Of course there weren't any appointments, so I dropped the sample in and told the receptionist that I have had previous kidney issues during pregnancy, and if anything showed up in the sample could the doctor please ring me.

It gets to 6:05 this evening, and I haven't heard anything, so I ring them and ask if the sample has been tested. The lady on the phone says yes it has, and it has been sent to the lab as it was positive for nitrites and blood but there is no prescription for me. I point out that nitrites generally indicates an infection, and she says that she doesn't know anything about that but she will get the doctor to ring me to discuss the results.

Have they phoned? Have they hell. So I'm assuming I have an infection but for whatever reason they don't want to give me anything for it.

I got a colleague at work into trouble for daring to talk to her about her holiday for about a minute and a half when both of us should have been working (she's supervisor, I'm not - she got the bollocking from the manager). Apparently staff who work for the country's 4th biggest supermarket are not actually human. And the washing machine broke today, and Iv'e lost my phone - I might just give up on today and go to bed.

Sorry for long post - rant over!

Teabiscuits · 28/05/2014 19:53

ps hope everyone else is ok, and start having a better time of it too! x

topmammy · 28/05/2014 20:02

Sorry that some of you are having a tricky time with the nhs! Not much to report here, just wish it would stop raining.

Went to an antenatal class today that was quite interesting. Watched a short video about coping with crying which talked also about babies that are shaken, was so sad :( . The next class is all about labour, eek!

I'm so hungry today. Hungry hungry hungry!! Fruit is just not hitting the spot unfortunately. I want Cake Blush

cookielove · 28/05/2014 20:27

Hello all, so god damn tired!

whiteblossom · 28/05/2014 20:49

ahhhhh tea you really have had a day of it have a bit of Cake ring the gp again tomorrow.

I think we should all eat cake or ice cream Grin

holls2000 · 28/05/2014 21:13

Bad day here. Had to get ivy cut back off house, turns out next doors ivy is actually ours so when ours came down so did theirs, I am mortified by this. DH didn't help by telling me it was out of order - seriously, had I know, I would have gone and seen them. They were out so I left a plant and a card saying sorry. And then I cried for 2 hours.
DH then tells me I am stupid and when I cry more won't give me a hug, so I get cross and weepy. Now he is just being very quiet with me. I just wish he would talk to me rather than grumbling at me. I feel like I can't do anything right at the moment.
However, went to a friends at lunch time and her daughter sold me loads of lovely baby stuff. So wanted to show DH but with him being in a mood didn't.
Just feel so bloody hormonal at the moment, my coping mechanisms have gone on long holiday and I just wish DH would look after me. :-(
Other than that, all fine :-) xx

lilone1234 · 28/05/2014 21:32

Sounds like your DH is being a bit tough on you holls. Seems to be that 'hormones' is just a mystical excuse for being emotional to lots of men and they don't understand it has a real effect on you. When my DP was being quite insensitive earlier in pregnancy I signed him up for NHS weekly emails for dads to be as I was signing up for the pregnancy ones anyway and I know they have instructed him to be more understanding!

tea Sounds like a nightmare day. I second the motion to eat cake!

holls2000 · 28/05/2014 21:34

Bless him, I think he just expects me to get on with everything the same as usual. Just need a bit of tlc at the mo - my family are overseas and I just feel a but lonely :-(

Nazly · 28/05/2014 22:13

Hi all, sorry some of you are not having a good time with health service and mws... I've only seen the mw once and everything I asked her she just shook her head saying oh yes, that happens, that's normal... Just gave me a feeling she can not care less..

Redtooth I didn't know you could have ELCS in this country- is there a health reason for it or is it just your preference ?

On the subject of stretch marks: I had a strange feeling under my bump and as I can't really see anything there any more I just took my makeup mirror and put it under my bump to see what's going on: a few really bad purple coloured stretch mark !!Hmm I am very unhappy about this :( i started using coco butter immediately, I know it doesn't help with the existing ones but I am only 26W and the thought of all my bump being covered with stretch marks later is so so annoying... Any idea? Anything that could help? I have heard it has to do with genetic but at this stage I will do anything !

And another question: I feel sometimes my baby moves very quickly and strangely, as if shaking... Is this normal? Anybody else feels anything similar?

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2014 00:10

Nazly, all in all its a long story, but to cut it short as short as possible, I only got pregnant after seeking help and managing to find a hospital that recognised that this was an issue for me and were willing to help. Its been a bit of a journey to get this far and has taken a (very) long time, a lot of time and research. In the end I simply got very lucky in that, I found out about my hospital's approach, its local enough for me and my GP was willing to refer me to the consultant midwife there.

It is my preference, but my preference isn't without foundation. My consultant midwife went to great lengths to reassure me, that despite how its generally viewed, he considered it a medical reason to justify an ELCS as I was clearly suffering from anxiety over it. I was very worried that I wouldn't be taken seriously, particularly as this is my first, but it has been thanks to his involvement. The sad thing is, not every hospital in the country would treat me with the same compassion or understanding. I think thats possibly why my local midwife just doesn't get it as the culture of the two Trusts is so different in that respect.

(The hospital I'm at on the whole, generally has a very personal, proactive and progressive approach for ELCS requests which ultimately makes it work. They realise that it doesn't mean that all women who ask for one will eventually have an ELCS. I know they have had considerable success, in helping both those who go onto have an ELCS and those women who manage to change their minds and pursue other options on their own terms simply from having adequate support and reassurance that they felt comfortable with and feel they can trust. Something that tbh, everyone should get)

In answer to your more general comment about not being allowed an ELCS in the UK unless you have a medical reason, thats not strictly true. In theory you should be able to get an ELCS regardless of whether you have a reason which is considered a medical reason or not in line with the NICE guidelines. The NICE guidelines made the decision to amend their previous advice and to recommend allowing ELCS on demand (as its often wonderfully referred to), as they recognised that there was so much contention over what constituted a medical reason and as a result there were women who were effectively falling through the cracks, due to widespread disparity in care and being forced against their will to have a VB. They decided there was no way to effectively distinguish and diagnosis a 'genuine case' (for want of a better phrase) as it was often a very subjective decision on the part of HCPs.

They looked at research (mainly done outside the UK as there is an absence of research done here) that showed distinct patterns and supported the need to consider requests for ELCS more seriously. Their conclusion was that women asking for an ELCS were generally doing so for a valid reason rather than the more stereotypical frivolous ones that the tabloids suggest. They accepted that unnecessary psychological damage could be caused by restricting access to ELCS. They decided that as they were on balance safe enough and cost effective, to enough to allow them for anyone who really wanted one (provided the woman understood the risks and had been offered counselling if she wanted it) saying that they did not believe it would open floodgates and overburden the NHS by creating a significant increase in the number of CS performed.

The reality... well thats another story as Trusts are not obliged to follow the guidelines. Its become hugely political, incredibly misunderstood and misinterpreted and often ideologically opposed issue - by press, public and health care professionals alike. And has only helped to make the disparity of care worse instead of its intention to make it more consistent. Sadly ironic.

Hope thats a clear enough explanation. I personally believe that no woman really takes the decision to have surgery and all that it involves, lightly and its very wrong to label it as such. I certainly don't think that it is 'the easy option' its made out to be when faced with the reality. Trying to quantify anxiety or how 'valid' a case a woman has, really misses the point.

Cindy5389 · 29/05/2014 13:40

Hi all, just checking in. Had my mw appt this morning. She just did the normal checks; bp, urine, listened to babys hb.. She didn't give me my mat B1 form. Only remembered about it in the car on my way to work. Just looked online and it says to give to ur employer by 25w which is Sat for me. Next appt with her isn't until 3 weeks time. What shall I do?

Teabiscuits · 29/05/2014 14:42

Thanks white and lilone, the only cake in the house was the last piece of DD1s birthday cake, and I would be a very cruel mummy indeed to snaffle that! So I settled for some cheese, almost as good as cake IMO Smile Smile . I am seeing the doctor at 5:30 (after having to argue with the receptionist) so hopefull will get some sort of answers.

nazly I have been lucky on the stretch marks, but having seen my sister's ones don't worry, they don't stay that fetching shade of royal purple forever, they will fade to silvery lines but unfortunately there's not much you can do to stop them. I have a friend who says that to her they are little reminders of her babies which I think is a nice way to think of them.

red thank you for the post, that makes for interesting reading. I have chosen to decline two ELCS now, which I was told I would be 'allowed' in the circumstances. I had no idea that it is actually a legitimate choice for everyone.

My reasons for going for a VB have always been because for me in my own circumstances, the negatives of the ELCS outweigh the positives, added to the fact that I am terrified of surgery - it's a very personal decision. Even though I have come to that decision on my own, I have always been heavily persuaded against the ELCS by the doctors involved, as I think many women are - they seem to particularly push women into a VBACS even if they are very anxious, having likely already suffered a traumatic experience.

I wonder how much stress and anxiety could be stopped if more women were treated with a little more compassion...