JULY 2014!! PART 3!! 12 week scans & festive plans!!

[MrsB2013]

Part 3 already!!

July Due Dates

Pencilsandprams - (26th June)
Roozocheeks - (26th June)
Rainbowweaver - (27th June)
Biffle - (27th June)
LadyGoneGaga - (29th June)
Pearlsaplenty - (29 June)
MrsB2013 - 1st
AhoyMcCoy - 2nd
Liquidstate - 2nd
deeda811 - 2nd
getagoldtoof - 2nd
Mrsc020987 - 3rd
Fiveleaves 3rd
MrsA2 - 3rd
BrightonSquirrel – 3rd
Moochie01 - 4th
SomeDizzyWhore1804 - 4th
Jbiscuits - 4th - 6th??
Ismarah - 5th
Jaykay - 5th
Collie1806 - 5th
Lemonpoppyseed - 6th
Frostina - 6th
AuntieMaggie - 6th
MargeryDaw- 6th
OttersPocket - 7th
Blueberry234- 7th
FoxtrotOscarBackToEconomy - 1st - 8th???
Lauranne - 8th
Doodlequackquack - 9th
xjulesx - 9th
mummyzoe2012 - 9th
fifi669 - 10th
mamachelle - 10th
grobagsforever - 11th
Ipsumlorem - 11th
elliejjtiny - 11th
SmallOlympianbear - 11th
Casmama - 11th
Umanayana - 12th
LemonLovely - 12th (twins)
coco808 - 12th
museumworker - 12th
JuiceInAWineGlass - 12th
Ladybunnikins - 14th
Sparky321 - 14th
HomeIsWhereTheGinIs- 14th
kim2783 - 14th
Mummystein - 14th
Dollydaydream2 - 15th
Zing - 15th
MGJoey - 15th
SuzB83 - 15th
Incapinka - 15th
BlueC2 - 16th
Charotte31 - 16th
It'sAlwaysBetterOnHoliday - 17th
Littleangel21 - 17th
LazyDogJumpedOver - 17th
StrawberryNesquik - 17th
Beanpod13 – 17th
Sparklesandfizz - 18th
PicnicPie - 18th
MoreSnowPlease - 18th
Jeezaloo - 18th
Kim222 - 19th
turnwest - 20th
teaandkittens - 21st
justhayley - 21st
BringOn2014 - 22nd
baggyoldcow - 24th (Twins)
Froglet88 - 24th
Plateofcrumbs – 24th
funkymonk- 25th
Safyre – 25th
Babymamatobe- 26th
talulahbelle- 26th
Howly - 26th
NancyinCali - 26th
Hollyjokes- 27th
ShoesBagsDresses - 27th
MrsKate - 27th
FlyLikeABird - 27th
TheBookOfRuth- 29th
DorotheaHomeAlone - 29th
ChristmasCrackFox - 30th
AnyFuckingClue - ???
Baggyoldcow - ???
Insideout - ???
Theborrower - ???
DinkyMole - (1st August)

same here Dorothea i'm on MN when I should be working on my essay...at least the weather is terrible which is a good motivation for me to stay in my study
company tax??? oh Becky I feel your pain...
thanks for rubbing that in ismarah I've also got a 30,000 word dissertation to submit by December this year

Dorothea I asked about NT measurement, heart rate, asked to look at the brain and the heart chambers and the length of the baby. Now get back to your essay...

Coco You're very welcome x On the plus side - there's no thesis involved in making beans

I felt so awful all day yesterday, could hardly get off the sofa.

today I was up at 8am, got loads done, planned my week, had lunch!!!!, taking kids ice skating in an hour and feeling positive - there's hope yet for all of us that once the nausea and MS eases up we'll be less moaning zombie-like creatures.

mark my words - we'll all feel better soon!

have a great day!

I was really getting into the zombie / couch potato mode!

I've been doing research on birth options and now I'm all grrr. I have issues with allergies to drugs and often have a contrary reaction to them, so I worry about managing an active labour and birth without any drugs that are suitable for me. Ideally, I'd want a water birth, but the pool can't be booked in advance and if it's in use, tough. If I want a guaranteed water birth, I'm told I have to book my own pool and do it at home. Fair enough, but I suspect that for health reasons, I will not be given the choice of a home birth.

I hate what the research I've done on VBs tells me - with a very high rate of intervention of some kind and possible consequences for mother or baby. I also hate the idea of going for a VB and ending up with an EMCS because stuff happens. I've never given birth but feel no particular ideation about the process - and because it's something that scares most sane people a little bit it scares me too, in a fear of the unknown / the unpredictable kind of way. On the other hand I've had loads of surgeries. I know how I cope under those circumstances and a part of me is thinking if I'm just as likely to end up with intervention of some kind or EMCS, I may as well go for the known, controlled option of an ELCS, removing the possible panic and worry involved in all the 'what if' scenarios. I have a consultant appt anyway in Feb so I'll be mulling things over until then, I suspect, and after too.

Sorry to get all heavy on a Sunday afternoon. Although I suspect few of us are up for a full Sunday roast so at least this won't give you indigestion.

Welcome Margery.

Ismarah I've started to think a bit about it all too... I really want to go for the water birth / gas and air only option because I'm nervous of the after effects of epidural/drugs but I think no real pain relief is a big ask!

Been to the gym (only 15 mins on the cross trainer) and for a swim, shattered now. Time for a cuppa...

casamama and coco thanks for the stern words but you'd be amazed at the things I've found that 'needed' doing today even while avoiding mn! Been faffing all day so still only 500w down. Useless! Please tell me you're as bad.

Ismarah

you can certainly opt for an ELSC with the reason being "just because you want to" - no specific medical reason is required, though some hospitals/consultants might challenge you on it or plain refuse it.

as you do have medical reasons it is very likely you will not have to "fight it". best thing is to say you want an ELSC sooner than later.
And a word of advice, there's certainly no point in requesting one when fully dilated and ready to push - yes, I did this with DD!

zing and ismarah i'm inclining towards asking for ELCS. Am I right in saying the new NUCE guidelines (2011) allow us to decide whether we want one or not and the doctors can't just refuse it anymore?

dorothea I've only done 148 words since morning!!! Read one case, 42 blooming A4 pages and summarised it!

sorry I meant NICE guidelines

ismarah - I could be wrong - bit if you think you'll not be allowed a hone birth you're unlikely to be allowed a waterbirth either, as these pools are typically in midwife led units which you might not be allowed access to.

I really hope Im wrong. I really fancy a waterbirth and a midwife led unit, but an under consultant care, so will only be allowed to give birth on the ward. Boo! I am terrified of hospitals and so am already dreading it.

We have a midwife-led unit at the hospital I'm booked in at, but not sure at the moment if I want to go that way if it closes the door to an epidural. I don't want an epidural but not sure I want to close down options.

I actually rather like hospitals (weirdo that I am) and generally find medical settings quite comforting. Never had a bad experience so that probably colours my judgement.

And reading backwards up the thread...hurrah for you feeling more human zing! I've been a misery over the last few days. Back to work tomorrow - hoping that it'll be better having something to take my mind off it.

Plate at my hospital you can go into the midwife-led unit and then if you do want an epidural just transfer (across to the other corridor) to the labour ward instead. Are they close enough at your hospital that you can keep your options open?

Butterflies in my lower stomach...I'm convinced it was our little 'prawn' having a wiggle!!!

awwww marmite i can't wait for that moment!

zing I'm very jealous. I'm very fed up of feeling slightly sick and burping loads, I have the gross metallic taste back and a watery mouth.

God knows how I'm going to cope with work tomorrow.

I'm going for an ELCS, I had a corneal ectopic last year, so it's the safest option. Hopefully no need to argue with the consultant, the midwife I saw on booking in didn't seem to think it would be a problem.

NICE guidelines say you should be allowed an WLCS just because you want one but they are guidelines only. You may have to fight a bit for it if your particular trust is anti-ELCS, which some are. If your consultant vetos it, you should be allowed a referral for a second opinion.

I hadn't considered that if I couldn't have a home birth I also couldn't have a water birth even in hospital. I will ask at my next appt. The no home birth is not because of the drugs allergies but something else which means I suspect (don't yet know for sure) they'll want to keep an eye on me close to doctors and not just obgyn ones. But I may also just be borrowing trouble - considering the lackadaisical approach the midwife took to my medical records it might not even be an issue. I'm not trying to be coy or bigging up my health issues, which are mostly resolved as much as possible now anyway but I always feel very self-conscious when I have to list them all. I look shit on paper, basically.

If you are under midwife led care you can still have an epidural or any other drugs, depending on what you want. You can also have a plan A that may involve only gas and air but find that that just doesn't work for you and then you can change your mind at any time. It might take a bit of time to get the anaesthesiologist to you if it's particularly busy but that applies to everything in this process, it seems.

plate I'm the same with hospitals having had several operations - the smell and stuff relaxes me.

I think from what the mw said I have little choice about where I give birth due to health conditions. I'm not sure about ELCS yet but if there's the slightest hint that this may be best for me or baby I'm not going to argue. I know somr women have a problem with it but having it in planned controlled way rather than an emergency situation is better for everyone from what I've seen. Besides I have so many stomach scars one more isn't going to matter

Back to work tomorrow... really don't want to go :(

Thanks for the info about MLUs - I think you can still transfer over to the standard hospital facilities at my place if you want/need and epidural but I was under impression that you might be less likely to have the option if you're in the MLU (eg you'd need to have taken the decision earlier). TBH I've not spent a great deal of time looking into it yet.

Glad I'm not the only one with hospitalphilia auntmaggie!

I didn't think I was that fussed about VB vs CS but when I momentarily thought I might have to have a CS I did feel sad, which surprised me.

I think there is a difference between midwife led care and a midwife led unit, or perhaps differences in different units.

Epidural s can only be given by anaesthetists so if the midwife led unit is not in a hospital or doesn't have an anaesthetist then you would need to transfer to hospital in the event of some problems or needing an epidural.

The majority of vbs are mainly midwife led (I think) unless issues develop.

The thing that terrifies me is the prospect of being induced. Basically increases risk of all the things that I wouldn't want to happen in labour - being hooked up to machines, less mobile, taking ages, more painful, and high risk of intervention anyway. I'd like to give a mlu a go if I go into labour spontaneously but am hoping I can request elective section if go post dates. Has anyone else had similar thoughts?

There are an awful lot of scare stories about induction.
My DS was small for dates so I was induced a few days before my due date. I was given a pessary at about 5pm then went up to the ward while my dh went home. I went into labour during the night and used my tens machine for pain relief. By 7am I was fully dilated and they took me down to the labour ward- this was with a back to back baby.
As it happens I then needed a forceps delivery but this was because my DS was in a bit of distress and there wasn't time for him to turn etc not because of the induction

Your choice is your own obviously but induction doesn't need to be a disaster.

Sorry if what I said re epidural availability was confusing for anyone - I was wrongly thinking of larger hospitals like my local one. Didn't consider we're obviously all over the UK (and Cali) and have all sorts of units around us. D'oh.

casmama for me it's definitely a midwife led unit (which I hear is v nice, modern, water birth facilities etc), but attached to a hospital. So the "transfer" would just be elsewhere in same building. Nice to have the choice, just not 100% sure what choice I'll make yet!